Some interesting questions on ecchi-stuff
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I have noticed that a number of the shounen including harem/shows that give off harem/love triangle vibes (Kanokon, Ookami Kakushi, Asubi ni Ikuyo. ) have a female seiyuu doing the voice for the male protagonist. For reasons, look at this link: http://www.toonzone.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-130923.html. However, I am feel the following: Honestly, it is getting annoying to me hearing what is (to certain people) clearly a woman doing a male voice. I would rather hear a guy whose 38 (Soichiro Hoshi in Sora no Otoshimono) doing a teenage boy voice than hear 23 year (Mutsumi Tamura in Asobi ni Ikuyo) voice a guy. Call me a nitpicker but I have this thought: Unless the boy was cross-dressing or somehow got turned into a girl for a period of time, it should be voiced by a male. Since harems are a popular shounen category, it makes sense they be voiced by a male.

Another thing: If an ecchi title has no indication of getting a North American DVD release, don't give us the stupid censored version. There are two versions on Japanese TV: the censored one that is often show on "regular TV" and the uncensored satellite version. Now, I know the former is censored so people would be compelled to buy the DVD. However, when people like me pay nearly $12 monthly subscription fees (Look at it this way: If 10,000 people do that, that nearly $120,000 a month goes back to official companies to help them continue making titles), we should get the uncensored version. Now, yuri-type ecchi or loli-type I am fine with being censored.

Lastly, in Sora no Otoshimono, her name is spelled "Ikaros" (like the literal Greek) and not "Icarus" (the commonly used Latin spelling). With these two spellings, do the Japanese characters for her name have one for each? If so, how. My Chrome browser's translation setting translated her name on Forte's site with the Latin spelling.

What are your thoughts?
Posted 12/12/10 , edited 12/12/10

kadmos1 wrote:

I have noticed that a number of the shounen including harem/shows that give off harem/love triangle vibes (Kanokon, Ookami Kakushi, Asubi ni Ikuyo. ) have a female seiyuu doing the voice for the male protagonist. For reasons, look at this link: http://www.toonzone.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-130923.html. However, I am feel the following: Honestly, it is getting annoying to me hearing what is (to certain people) clearly a woman doing a male voice. I would rather hear a guy whose 38 (Soichiro Hoshi in Sora no Otoshimono) doing a teenage boy voice than hear 23 year (Mutsumi Tamura in Asobi ni Ikuyo) voice a guy. Call me a nitpicker but I have this thought: Unless the boy was cross-dressing or somehow got turned into a girl for a period of time, it should be voiced by a male. Since harems are a popular shounen category, it makes sense they be voiced by a male.

Another thing: If an ecchi title has no indication of getting a North American DVD release, don't give us the stupid censored version. There are two versions on Japanese TV: the censored one that is often show on "regular TV" and the uncensored satellite version. Now, I know the former is censored so people would be compelled to buy the DVD. However, when people like me pay nearly $12 monthly subscription fees (Look at it this way: If 10,000 people do that, that nearly $120,000 a month goes back to official companies to help them continue making titles), we should get the uncensored version. Now, yuri-type ecchi or loli-type I am fine with being censored.

Lastly, in Sora no Otoshimono, her name is spelled "Ikaros" (like the literal Greek) and not "Icarus" (the commonly used Latin spelling). With these two spellings, do the Japanese characters for her name have one for each? If so, how. My Chrome browser's translation setting translated her name on Forte's site with the Latin spelling.

What are your thoughts?


well in the Japanese law that was just passed today in japan showing any fictional characters in any sexual situation that are under the age of 18 is illegal to sell or use, showing people being killed, violence on gruesome level, showing deceptions of crimes or girls in high school outfits etc is also banned so to be fair I would be more worried about that or what's going to happen in general than this.

The Nonexistent Crime Bill of Tokyo, Bill 156
>According to the official blog of Ito Masaki, one of the members of Tokyo Metropolitan assembly, the ruling party DPJ has decided to approve the anime and manga regulation bill. Other two major parites have already approved the bill, so it will pass the assembly on December 15th. DPJ agreed with the bill on condition that the resolution will be made with a collateral claim for a careful operation of the regulation. However, the collateral claim is not legally binding. The regulation will be enforced on July 1st 2011.

>Mangaka Takaku Shoko tweeted that one of the major publishers turned her manga down because one of the characters in a high school uniform could contravene the local ordinance of Tokyo. She was frightened to know that the bill has already made the industry flinch.

>Mangaka Meiji Kanako tweeted that the re-release of one of her manga has been under deliberation because of the descriptions of minors' sex in the manga. She said she won't be surprised if it's canceled.
>The proposed Bill 156 would require the industry to also self-regulate the sale and renting of "manga, anime, and other images (except for real-life photography)" that "unjustifiably glorify or exaggerate" certain sexual or pseudo sexual acts.

>Another section of the revised bill would allow the government to directly restrict the sale and renting of the above images if the depicted acts are also "considered to be excessively disrupting of social order" such as rape.

>Depending on how broadly these (hypothetical) amendments are enforced, manga and anime could become the exclusive domain of 4 year-old children as far as whom it entertains.

http://dankanemitsu.wordpress.com/2010/12/10/crunch-time-three-days-until-bill-156s-fate-is-determined/
http://dankanemitsu.wordpress.com/2010/12/05/bill-156-the-nonexistent-crimes-bill-fujimotos-analysis
-translated/

http://rorikonblogspot.blogspot.com/2010/12/japan-that-can-say-no-to-tokyo-anime.html
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-12-06/2-parties-oppose-tokyo-revised-youth-ordinance-bill
Posted 12/12/10
I personally don't care for the voices of the character in Japanese dubs. It's interesting how the Japanese use female seiyuus for some male characters. As long as the voices "fit", it'll satisfy me.

For North America, nudity is a... I'm not sure what the word is... But it isn't tolerated, I guess. That's why we just get censored versions, though I think there are times when we are able to get the uncensored versions. Another reason would be to make more money off the DVD's, it helps the company who licensed the show make money back and supports the official releases.

Regarding the kanji question, I don't know.
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Cobra the Animation was streamed here uncensored. I mean, it should be more frequent. For example, it there was 25 ecchi shows in a year American companies did simulcast streams of, it would be nice if 17 were uncensored. Other than that dreaded bill that has been in the otaku news, my rant on the censored thing I still am spouting. That stupid bill (some of the stuff like loli I don't mind being regulated) sounds like the bitching of American puritanical parents got to the Japanese shores and then certain Japanese groups finally decided to agree.
If the ecchi title in question featured nipple-less boobs in the uncensored version, I wouldn't care as much if that got censored. However, go very light on the censoring the T&A.
Posted 12/12/10

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Cobra the Animation was streamed here uncensored. I mean, it should be more frequent. For example, it there was 25 ecchi shows in a year American companies did simulcast streams of, it would be nice if 17 were uncensored. Other than that dreaded bill that has been in the otaku news, my rant on the censored thing I still am spouting. That stupid bill (some of the stuff like loli I don't mind being regulated) sounds like the bitching of American puritanical parents got to the Japanese shores and then certain Japanese groups finally decided to agree.


it's also hard to to air certain things here uncensored due to the fact that it will be banned from apple's ipod touch, Ipad and Iphone if apple thinks it's unsuitable to use for the app. Cr doesn't want people who pay for a premium membership not to be able to watch some shows do that restriction. Also calling some on cr an otaku is like pissing in an ocean of piss. It's kinda meaningless, I don't mind loli to much as long as it's cute, but yeah this law just happens to make and censors things even worse. To be blunt and I will just say it download the DVD rips if you can hell your not affecting the sales in japan of a Japanese only DVD title, if it was over here however that would be different.
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kadmos1 wrote:

I have noticed that a number of the shounen including harem/shows that give off harem/love triangle vibes (Kanokon, Ookami Kakushi, Asubi ni Ikuyo. ) have a female seiyuu doing the voice for the male protagonist. For reasons, look at this link: http://www.toonzone.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-130923.html. However, I am feel the following: Honestly, it is getting annoying to me hearing what is (to certain people) clearly a woman doing a male voice. I would rather hear a guy whose 38 (Soichiro Hoshi in Sora no Otoshimono) doing a teenage boy voice than hear 23 year (Mutsumi Tamura in Asobi ni Ikuyo) voice a guy. Call me a nitpicker but I have this thought: Unless the boy was cross-dressing or somehow got turned into a girl for a period of time, it should be voiced by a male. Since harems are a popular shounen category, it makes sense they be voiced by a male.

Another thing: If an ecchi title has no indication of getting a North American DVD release, don't give us the stupid censored version. There are two versions on Japanese TV: the censored one that is often show on "regular TV" and the uncensored satellite version. Now, I know the former is censored so people would be compelled to buy the DVD. However, when people like me pay nearly $12 monthly subscription fees (Look at it this way: If 10,000 people do that, that nearly $120,000 a month goes back to official companies to help them continue making titles), we should get the uncensored version. Now, yuri-type ecchi or loli-type I am fine with being censored.

Lastly, in Sora no Otoshimono, her name is spelled "Ikaros" (like the literal Greek) and not "Icarus" (the commonly used Latin spelling). With these two spellings, do the Japanese characters for her name have one for each? If so, how. My Chrome browser's translation setting translated her name on Forte's site with the Latin spelling.

What are your thoughts?


well in the Japanese law that was just passed today in japan showing any fictional characters in any sexual situation that are under the age of 18 is illegal to sell or use, showing people being killed, violence on gruesome level, showing deceptions of crimes or girls in high school outfits etc is also banned so to be fair I would be more worried about that or what's going to happen in general than this.

The Nonexistent Crime Bill of Tokyo, Bill 156
>According to the official blog of Ito Masaki, one of the members of Tokyo Metropolitan assembly, the ruling party DPJ has decided to approve the anime and manga regulation bill. Other two major parites have already approved the bill, so it will pass the assembly on December 15th. DPJ agreed with the bill on condition that the resolution will be made with a collateral claim for a careful operation of the regulation. However, the collateral claim is not legally binding. The regulation will be enforced on July 1st 2011.

>Mangaka Takaku Shoko tweeted that one of the major publishers turned her manga down because one of the characters in a high school uniform could contravene the local ordinance of Tokyo. She was frightened to know that the bill has already made the industry flinch.

>Mangaka Meiji Kanako tweeted that the re-release of one of her manga has been under deliberation because of the descriptions of minors' sex in the manga. She said she won't be surprised if it's canceled.
>The proposed Bill 156 would require the industry to also self-regulate the sale and renting of "manga, anime, and other images (except for real-life photography)" that "unjustifiably glorify or exaggerate" certain sexual or pseudo sexual acts.

>Another section of the revised bill would allow the government to directly restrict the sale and renting of the above images if the depicted acts are also "considered to be excessively disrupting of social order" such as rape.

>Depending on how broadly these (hypothetical) amendments are enforced, manga and anime could become the exclusive domain of 4 year-old children as far as whom it entertains.

http://dankanemitsu.wordpress.com/2010/12/10/crunch-time-three-days-until-bill-156s-fate-is-determined/
http://dankanemitsu.wordpress.com/2010/12/05/bill-156-the-nonexistent-crimes-bill-fujimotos-analysis
-translated/

http://rorikonblogspot.blogspot.com/2010/12/japan-that-can-say-no-to-tokyo-anime.html
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-12-06/2-parties-oppose-tokyo-revised-youth-ordinance-bill


From that description it sounds like we can pretty much kiss anime and manga goodbye although from what I read through one of the links it sounds like its just targeting ecchi things. If it is just targeting ecchi things then I wouldn't mind it too much but if it is going to start blocking excessive violence and death then it would ruin pretty much everything.

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I'm a little unclear about what exactly this affects. Is this just a TV thing, or will it make it illegal to even make DVD's with this content? If it affects DVDs too, I wonder if they can get around it like they did in KITE. It's not really loli shit, but there's no way that chick is 19. I'd post a pic of her, but it's kind of hard to tell until you see her naked, and I don't want to get banned from the forums.



I digress. . .I find it kind of strange that now there creating more censorship. From what I understand a while back, maybe even a couple decades, cocks had to be censored in hentai, which is why there was so much tentacle hentai (ZOMG). Then the law changed so they didn't have to censor them, and tentacle hentai went on the decline (thank GOD). Assuming this is indeed the case, why would they reduce censorship, and then increase it?

As for the whole Icarus thing, I'm pretty sure the they would end up being spelled the same in Japanese, mainly for pronunciation purposes.
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I digress. . .I find it kind of strange that now there creating more censorship. From what I understand a while back, maybe even a couple decades, cocks had to be censored in hentai, which is why there was so much tentacle hentai (ZOMG). Then the law changed so they didn't have to censor them, and tentacle hentai went on the decline (thank GOD). Assuming this is indeed the case, why would they reduce censorship, and then increase it?

Hey, tentacle monsters need love too. Think about it: When was the last time you saw a female tentacle monster?

Seriously, however, can also thank (or blame) the censoring of the lower regions for bukkake.



As for the whole Icarus thing, I'm pretty sure the they would end up being spelled the same in Japanese, mainly for pronunciation purposes.

I think Ikaros is the Japanese preferred spelling. Case in point:
http://www.jspec.jaxa.jp/e/activity/ikaros.html
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TheAncientOne wrote:


ChronicAddict wrote:
As for the whole Icarus thing, I'm pretty sure the they would end up being spelled the same in Japanese, mainly for pronunciation purposes.

I think Ikaros is the Japanese preferred spelling. Case in point:
http://www.jspec.jaxa.jp/e/activity/ikaros.html


What I meant was that if you spelled them in kana, they would probably be spelled the same. Of course I'm not totally sure about that.

I think this is the first time you've quoted one of my posts and not blatantly contradicted me, lol. Thanks.
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Now see this is a good topic.
First off the first most important thing that you have to keep in mind is that no matter what Japanese say, Japan is a communist country. Still the real sneakiness behind the Japanese is the fight between communism and business. It's absolutely true.
A few other people brought up great examples. Anime is completely flexible and that's exactly why it is such a controversial form of entertainment. Although the bill about anime may be passed, it will hardly be the death of Anime or Manga let alone even putting a leash on it. Japanese entertainment industries are way too smart for crap like that. Sure you would be missing out on you ecchi school harems, but you would be getting much much more. You would still have your scandalous animes that depict the characters as over the age of 19, when it's obviously false. You will still get your lolis (because they're supposedly 19, riiiiiiiggghhht? *nudge, nudge, wink, wink*) and you will still get your nude scenes or anything else along those lines. Sure you will be missing out on all the high school scenarios, but now you get college scenarios which is hardly any different then high school. In fact to tell you the truth drama is exactly the same in college as it is in high school if not worse. I see hardly any lack of material or loss of audience. Plus with the oppression of this pointless bill for anime and manga it only creates an encouragement to get away with as much as possible in the Japanese entertainment industry. Money is money, and if the business is in nude high school girls then by god there will always be a loop that the industry will gladly find it's way through in order to show us those nude high school girls. Even if it means putting up a fictional label up at the beginning of every anime in order to have it passed, or even if every 19 year old character has to have a "Naughty High School Flashback", the Japanese entertainment industry is smart and know how to function under an oppressive bill and get around it. (Just like what a different poster said, Remember Tentacle Porn? Yeah Japanese are very smart guys.)

Trust me when I say, this is hardly the death of Anime and Manga.

As for getting what you pay for, if you aren't getting what you are paying for then complain about it and quit the service. If you are paying twelve dollars a month for subscription fees (Which by the way I would like to inform you is an outrageous monthly fee to have to pay for consistently.), and the service you're paying for is not delivering the material that you request for, then drop their service. Try finding a better service that gives you what you want (even if that reason does include uncensored material) then when you find that better service come to your previous service and tell them that you will be dropping their service for specific reasons that the other service would gladly give you. That makes a statement to your current service that if they want their customer back, they need to change their ways (and need to stop censoring their damn material!) and one up the competition, otherwise they lose money and maybe even their business.
On a side note, if I was paying 12 dollars a month for nude scenes, it better be some damn top class porn, cause that is expensive stuff!

When it comes to the whole voice acting male characters with females, that's something that is hard to control. Sometimes girls just know how to get that young boy sound that guys can not achieve. That's just how it works. Hell I mean that has been happening for decades. I've seen the play of "Peter Pan" where Peter Pan himself was played by a boyish looking young girl. I mean once you got over the fact that it was a girl you were able to ignore it and enjoy the story, and sometimes that's just how it goes. You have to ignore that one awkward detail in order to enjoy the story.
I do understand what you are getting at though about it being annoying, but it's less strange as voice acting then it is for if it was actual acting. At least with voice acting you have the male character to look at to keep you in the state of mind that it is in fact a guy.
All I could suggest for this issue is avoid the animes with these female voice actors playing males, or you can complain to the industry, but this particular complaint is not something that is easily upheld due to the lack of concern by other anime watchers.

I think I pretty much covered on all of the important parts of this conversation. It is good to know that there really are some worthwhile conversations in this forum.
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