Post Reply False Prophets: José Luis de Jesús Miranda
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What do you think of José Luis de Jesús Miranda and his church(Cult ) Growing in grace?
Here is the wikipedia link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Luis_de_Jes%C3%BAs_Miranda

Honestly I think it's alot of crap. How can people be so blind when the Word warns us about people like him.
If anyone can provide another link with more info on him I will Love you.
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I think that whoever this Jose guy is, he has a chip on his shoulder and something against religion... he's just another guy who wants attention and his 30 seconds of fame. The Bible does warn against false prophets and ne're-do-wells and he is a ne're-do-well. Though I dont think he will go very far because he'll start pushing people's buttons and he'll end up pushing the wrong person's buttons and he'll be erased from history, just like all of those other false prophets and ne're-do-wells.
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Hahaha! Lol, 'AntiChrist' is simply not following Jesus when he was in his flesh. So what are they following?

An english teacher can tell you what 'Anti-Christ' means. What 'anti-anything' means.

666 is not the mark of the devil but the mark of AntiChrist. ..666 IS the mark of AntiChrist. So IS the devil AntiChrist.

Burning people and burning pictures of popes are not graceful. Wheresay God has a heart of Grace that burns people to death? That's ALL clearcut heresy.

Did God say we have to get tattooed to be followers of Christ? Did we have to do anything? Is salvation by our own works?


Just look at his name, de Jesus. That's the devil's plan, to de-throne God. Notice how he averts his focus from Jesus to man, Ap Paul. Was Paul not a servant of God who had been the sinful King Saul? The reason why he wanted to do that because Paul's background resembled his. He wanted to emulate that he's the new Paul.

Comeon, load of cheese. God appointed 'Paul' to spread the Word. Satan appointed 'Lol' to preach cheese.

Self declared messiahs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Self-declared_messiahs
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/02/16/miami.preacher/index.html
http://www.therefinersfire.org/false_christ.htm


Prophets 'spoke to me'

De Jesus and his believers say their church -- "Creciendo en Gracia," Spanish for "Growing in grace" -- is misunderstood. Followers of the movement say they have proof that their minister is divine and that their church will one day soon be a major faith in the world.

But even de Jesus concedes that he is an unlikely leader of a church that claims thousands of members in more than 30 countries.

De Jesus, 61, grew up poor in Puerto Rico. He says he served stints in prison there for petty theft and says he was a heroin addict.

De Jesus says he learned he was Jesus reincarnate when he was visited in a dream by angels.

"The prophets, they spoke about me. It took me time to learn that, but I am what they were expecting, what they have been expecting for 2,000 years," de Jesus says.

The church that he began building 20 years ago in Miami resembles no other:

# Followers have protested Christian churches in Miami and Latin America, disrupting services and smashing crosses and statues of Jesus.

# De Jesus preaches there is no devil and no sin. His followers, he says, literally can do no wrong in God's eyes.

# The church calls itself the "Government of God on Earth" and uses a seal similar to the United States.


Paul preached on grace,

My pastor has a message specifically on that. He talked about the grace that Paul preached that led many people to call him as a liar, as slander. The grace that abounds. I really think I shouldn't try explaining it because my pastor did it so much better.

It's an audio file. Anybody wants it? <--Highly recommended to let you know more about what that fako is leading his followers with.

I'll upload it to mediafile for you guys to listen to. The part that is controversial about Paul's teaching is at 25:00 - 30:00~

Here's the Link: (Password is 'Tabernacle'): http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?41xz96zx99n
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Just by his name. He's going down! Way down. I mean come on, what kind of parent would name their child de Jesus, unless you want to condem him.
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LOL ! IF those people is sensitive enough and knows a lot about The bible (God's word), they would not be deceived.

LOL ! what's "Hispanics" by the way? He said that "THE PLACE OF FAITH" is the Miami cause it is where the Spanish people are? LOL ! ... HAHA !!
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Posted 1/28/08 , edited 4/18/08

magnus102 wrote:


josh1002 wrote:

Just by his name. He's going down! Way down. I mean come on, what kind of parent would name their child de Jesus, unless you want to condem him.


So he is condemned for his name which he can not control? Thats sick and disgusting. You know a group of people foolishly following someone named Jesus with no evidence....reminds me of another group.


I'm sure that wasn't his real name to begin with. He probably gave himself the name after he started his cult. But, if you want to ignorantly follow him, go for it.
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Posted 1/29/08 , edited 4/18/08

Faeleia wrote:

Hahaha! Lol, 'AntiChrist' is simply not following Jesus when he was in his flesh. So what are they following?

An english teacher can tell you what 'Anti-Christ' means. What 'anti-anything' means.

666 is not the mark of the devil but the mark of AntiChrist. ..666 IS the mark of AntiChrist. So IS the devil AntiChrist.

Burning people and burning pictures of popes are not graceful. Wheresay God has a heart of Grace that burns people to death? That's ALL clearcut heresy.

Did God say we have to get tattooed to be followers of Christ? Did we have to do anything? Is salvation by our own works?


Just look at his name, de Jesus. That's the devil's plan, to de-throne God. Notice how he averts his focus from Jesus to man, Ap Paul. Was Paul not a servant of God who had been the sinful King Saul? The reason why he wanted to do that because Paul's background resembled his. He wanted to emulate that he's the new Paul.

Comeon, load of cheese. God appointed 'Paul' to spread the Word. Satan appointed 'Lol' to preach cheese.

Self declared messiahs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Self-declared_messiahs
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/02/16/miami.preacher/index.html
http://www.therefinersfire.org/false_christ.htm


Prophets 'spoke to me'

De Jesus and his believers say their church -- "Creciendo en Gracia," Spanish for "Growing in grace" -- is misunderstood. Followers of the movement say they have proof that their minister is divine and that their church will one day soon be a major faith in the world.

But even de Jesus concedes that he is an unlikely leader of a church that claims thousands of members in more than 30 countries.

De Jesus, 61, grew up poor in Puerto Rico. He says he served stints in prison there for petty theft and says he was a heroin addict.

De Jesus says he learned he was Jesus reincarnate when he was visited in a dream by angels.

"The prophets, they spoke about me. It took me time to learn that, but I am what they were expecting, what they have been expecting for 2,000 years," de Jesus says.

The church that he began building 20 years ago in Miami resembles no other:

# Followers have protested Christian churches in Miami and Latin America, disrupting services and smashing crosses and statues of Jesus.

# De Jesus preaches there is no devil and no sin. His followers, he says, literally can do no wrong in God's eyes.

# The church calls itself the "Government of God on Earth" and uses a seal similar to the United States.


Paul preached on grace,

My pastor has a message specifically on that. He talked about the grace that Paul preached that led many people to call him as a liar, as slander. The grace that abounds. I really think I shouldn't try explaining it because my pastor did it so much better.

It's an audio file. Anybody wants it? <--Highly recommended to let you know more about what that fako is leading his followers with.

I'll upload it to mediafile for you guys to listen to. The part that is controversial about Paul's teaching is at 25:00 - 30:00~

Here's the Link: (Password is 'Tabernacle'): http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?41xz96zx99n


Faeleia.. i listened to the audio file that you recomended...
and i have a question...
about this "i do not frustrate the grace of God for if righteuosnes comes by the law then Christ died in vain" does it mean that if i try to be good to be righteous in front of God... il put Christs sacrifice in vain?

wht did the pastor mean by the law? what law? pls help... i really want to understand...so i wud know what im doing wrong
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It means if to qualify for righteousness, you have to work for it, then Christ has died for nothing.

Grace means unmerited, undeserved, unearned favour. If you earn for it, it's not Grace. Since Jesus is the grace covenant, rejecting jesus means rejecting his grace, which means it is under the law. Under the Law, you have to work for your blessings, by fulfiling the commandments, which we know no man can fulfil. It's not a way to condemn us by the law, the law is like a mirror that tells you that you are unable to work for your own blessings.

Frustrating the grace of God, means you refuse to accept Jesus AND the blessings, and the righteousness and the favour that comes with Jesus, and invariably choose to go by the mentality that 'if I do this and this, God will bless me more.' There is NO way that God will love you any less even if you are 'better' or 'worse' sinner. A sinner has just got to believe to accept Christ. Once you accept Christ, stop 'atoning' for your sins, because Jesus paid for your sin judgement, we just have to know this, and be grateful to God and Jesus and be happy about this news!
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Faeleia wrote:

It means if to qualify for righteousness, you have to work for it, then Christ has died for nothing.

Grace means unmerited, undeserved, unearned favour. If you earn for it, it's not Grace. Since Jesus is the grace covenant, rejecting jesus means rejecting his grace, which means it is under the law. Under the Law, you have to work for your blessings, by fulfiling the commandments, which we know no man can fulfil. It's not a way to condemn us by the law, the law is like a mirror that tells you that you are unable to work for your own blessings.

Frustrating the grace of God, means you refuse to accept Jesus AND the blessings, and the righteousness and the favour that comes with Jesus, and invariably choose to go by the mentality that 'if I do this and this, God will bless me more.' There is NO way that God will love you any less even if you are 'better' or 'worse' sinner. A sinner has just got to believe to accept Christ. Once you accept Christ, stop 'atoning' for your sins, because Jesus paid for your sin judgement, we just have to know this, and be grateful to God and Jesus and be happy about this news!


thank you so much for clarifing me about this...
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