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Oversexualization of female characters
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The highly sexual nature of the show is actually key to the point I was trying to make.

Sexualization does not create a vacuum in which well written characters cannot exist. Anyone can write about some space case moe clutz acting cute or sexy, but if you can write about a strong willed intelligent woman doing the exact same thing, that's where you're on to something.

That's what I assumed the point of this topic was. An over reliance on sex createing poorly written cookie cutter stories.

But if this is about the morale aspect of it then yah, I will leave. Cause that holds no interest for me whatsoever.

Oh, and p.s.

Freud primarily studied the unconscious phenomena of psycho sexual development, ego defense mechanisms, and parapraxis (the famous Freudian Slip). Those are all quite different from innuendo, which is often intentional.

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I find myself wondering if part of they are more open with sexual innuendo and such is because they have to make up for the fact that they really aren't a very pretty race in the first place. When I was in Japan I wandered around looking at girls and it was really hard to find any hot girls. Or perhaps I should say there weren't hardly any girls with attractive faces. Most of the girls who were kinda hot were butterface girls. For anyone who isn't familiar with the term, it's like this: "She's got a nice body, but her face. . ." So is it possible that they are compensating for the lack of sexual excitement they get from just looking at the opposite sex?

This kind of fits with my theory of why anime has certain characteristics: they are jealous. Big eyes in anime to make up for squinty eyes, crazy hair color to make up for them all having black hair, and now sexual content to make for the lack sexual excitement in everyday life.

If anyone who is Japanese reads this I'm probably going to be in for an earful, but so be it.
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ChronicAddict wrote:

I find myself wondering if part of they are more open with sexual innuendo and such is because they have to make up for the fact that they really aren't a very pretty race in the first place. When I was in Japan I wandered around looking at girls and it was really hard to find any hot girls. Or perhaps I should say there weren't hardly any girls with attractive faces. Most of the girls who were kinda hot were butterface girls. For anyone who isn't familiar with the term, it's like this: "She's got a nice body, but her face. . ." So is it possible that they are compensating for the lack of sexual excitement they get from just looking at the opposite sex?

This kind of fits with my theory of why anime has certain characteristics: they are jealous. Big eyes in anime to make up for squinty eyes, crazy hair color to make up for them all having black hair, and now sexual content to make for the lack sexual excitement in everyday life.

If anyone who is Japanese reads this I'm probably going to be in for an earful, but so be it.


I don't think you have to worry about since cr has to block ip's from japan in the 1st place.
Posted 12/28/10 , edited 12/28/10

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nerdsonfire1 wrote:

I don't like it at all. I won't watch shows that portray women like this, or all the nasty pedo stuff with horny young girls. If I were a guy and watched crap like that, I'd keep it a secret. But yeah, I don't see that in shojo... the guys are hot, but usually have great personalities. There's always some shirtless scenes thrown in, but they don't over sexualize men and turn them into eye candy only.


that has to be the dumbest thing i ever read, THAT"S WHY THEY DO IT


There's a difference between throwing in some fanservice and making a characters so sexualized that they become unrealistic. As I said in my post, the male characters in shojo have developed personalities with flaws. They aren't one dimensional as the original poster mentioned. You can't compare one or two shirtless scenes at a pool to some huge breasted, skankily clad woman who is horny all the time and who has no character development at all. But nice try ;)


To Chronic addict:

That comment about Japanese women being unattractive was complete off base. That is only your opinion. Those big silicone boobs that some characters have is simply an exaggerated female ideal. And don't you love it how all of them are skinny too? because boobs are fat, so that is why most thin women have smaller breasts. The reason why I don't like it is because those female characters are not real at all. The way they look and act, they might as well be robots (and some of them are). So maybe that's really the issue here. Some men who are watching don't want to see anything resembling a human woman. They just want some walking, talking blow up doll.
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listen i don't feel like being open like this but I am bi and when i see guys throwing there shirts off or showing off there muscles well i do get "excited" in anime it's the same thing that it does for a girl from torda dora or love hina and no those girls are not horny all the time you really have a warped sense on watching the shows and a double standard. also you you really must fell insucure next those woman or you wouldn't complain so much.
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listen i don't feel like being open like this but I am bi and when i see guys throwing there shirts off or showing off there muscles well i do get "excited" in anime it's the same thing that it does for a girl from torda dora or love hina and no those girls are not horny all the time you really have a warped sense on watching the shows and a double standard. also you you really must fell insucure next those woman or you wouldn't complain so much.


Resorting to insults instead of making an argument? Well I can't say I'm surprised. This is topic where serious opinions were wanted, which I am giving. But with guys like you, it's all about women feeling jealous or insecure because they don't like it when females are portrayed like this. Let me clue you in, we don't like it because it is demeaning! That's fine if you get excited while watching shirtless men and women parading around, but I certainly don't. I have no double standards because I am not watching anime that shows men as brainless sex objects.
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nerdsonfire1 wrote:


Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:


listen i don't feel like being open like this but I am bi and when i see guys throwing there shirts off or showing off there muscles well i do get "excited" in anime it's the same thing that it does for a girl from torda dora or love hina and no those girls are not horny all the time you really have a warped sense on watching the shows and a double standard. also you you really must fell insucure next those woman or you wouldn't complain so much.


Resorting to insults instead of making an argument? Well I can't say I'm surprised. This is topic where serious opinions were wanted, which I am giving. But with guys like you, it's all about women feeling jealous or insecure because they don't like it when females are portrayed like this. Let me clue you in, we don't like it because it is demeaning! That's fine if you get excited while watching shirtless men and women parading around, but I certainly don't. I have no double standards because I am not watching anime that shows men as brainless sex objects.


guess what I don't give two shits what you think either because they are not real people but some one grew on the feminist side of the isle I can tell. you don't speak for all woman as matter of fact there are woman out there that are just as pervy as guys but let me guess you don't believe that because that's no the way you where raised. All I am giong to say is this, this guy "the op or orginal poster" is trying to appeal to the feminist side of the isle to get laid, I have seen 10000's of the threads posted on the internet and using panty and stocknig as an example what the fuck?? they call woman bitches and whores for crying out loud if anything I would have picked a better anime for a source. I will repeate this again you don't speack for everyone so what ever high horse your on would you kindly get hell off, because I know that I don't speaks for everyone that thinks the same way I do.
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Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:


nerdsonfire1 wrote:


Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:


listen i don't feel like being open like this but I am bi and when i see guys throwing there shirts off or showing off there muscles well i do get "excited" in anime it's the same thing that it does for a girl from torda dora or love hina and no those girls are not horny all the time you really have a warped sense on watching the shows and a double standard. also you you really must fell insucure next those woman or you wouldn't complain so much.


Resorting to insults instead of making an argument? Well I can't say I'm surprised. This is topic where serious opinions were wanted, which I am giving. But with guys like you, it's all about women feeling jealous or insecure because they don't like it when females are portrayed like this. Let me clue you in, we don't like it because it is demeaning! That's fine if you get excited while watching shirtless men and women parading around, but I certainly don't. I have no double standards because I am not watching anime that shows men as brainless sex objects.


guess what I don't give two shits what you think either because they are not real people but some one grew on the feminist side of the isle I can tell. you don't speak for all woman as matter of fact there are woman out there that are just as pervy as guys but let me guess you don't believe that because that's no the way you where raised. All I am giong to say is this, this guy "the op or orginal poster" is trying to appeal to the feminist side of the isle to get laid, I have seen 10000's of the threads posted on the internet and using panty and stocknig as an example what the fuck?? they call woman bitches and whores for crying out loud if anything I would have picked a better anime for a source. I will repeate this again you don't speack for everyone so what ever high horse your on would you kindly get hell off, because I know that I don't speaks for everyone that thinks the same way I do.


You don't care what I think and yet you quoted me first and you keep responding to me Thanks for making assumptions about me and being a jerk all because you don't agree with my opinion. If you can't be mature, then why even post in a topic that is meant to be serious? Whatever. I am done talking to you.
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well, fanservice is a pretty important part in some animes, well actually most. but I really hate how some character are created purely for fanservice, like mikuru asahina, who is in my favorite series but is extremely boring, useless, and gets slightly irrating. she makes no decision what ever by her self, controlled like a puppet by her superiors, just have no personality overall.

and when a character has no personality, that's not exactly a good trait
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You know, I was actually just wondering myself today while reading a smut manga, why it is that everything (and I do mean everything, minus pubic hair) can be shown for women in drawings, but they won't show a penis? And this doesn't just apply to Japanese artists, but even in American shows...soft porn is centered around showing nudity for women, but I guess if a male is completely nude it has to be classified as hard porn? Guess I am just curious...
I know, this isn't really on topic.

Anyways, from a girls perspective, I don't care one way or another about the sexualization of female characters in anime or manga. I have seen so much sex, that I guess I am desensitized to it honestly. Some of the female characters are under-developed though...the OP is correct in that statement. But in some of these animes they are most assuredly meant to be - if the characters have little personality, anyone can fantasize and imagine themselves with that character. It creates more fan-base, and more money in the long run.
Most women are not as visually stimulated as men (just stating a fact, not being accusatory), and thus through market research, the writers have decided to develop the male characters more towards romance - either that or a bad-boy persona. Because that is what they think women want, what is attractive to women, and it sells (so they have to be a little correct?).
Personally, if I can't become interested in a character, and am not enthralled with the drawing, then I won't watch the anime/read the manga. I don't want to waste my time to dig to find something of interest to me. So, since I do watch/read a ton of stuff, I feel that most animes/mangas are relatively fairly well balanced out, and have found that while some characters remain under-developed, they are usually not the main characters, and therefore the storyline usually doesn't suffer for it.
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Freud worked on a lot of things besides just a freudian slip and the studies of the ego. Plus a lot of the things he talks about in his studies directly involve how the human mind processes sex in conversation as well as in the every day though process. This involves various forms of media as well as every day interactions between people. Thus Freud is in fact relevant to my point/joke. I'm a psych major as well as I study psychology in my free time. Now unless anything else, leave as you said before.

This topic is about too much unnecessary sexual references and usage in today's anime, thus Kampfer is a fine enemy of this topic as well as it's highly over sexual characters, even the character you tried to use applies to a very specific set of fetishes, for the very sake of attracting people with those fetishes as an audience.
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ChronicAddict wrote:

I find myself wondering if part of they are more open with sexual innuendo and such is because they have to make up for the fact that they really aren't a very pretty race in the first place. When I was in Japan I wandered around looking at girls and it was really hard to find any hot girls. Or perhaps I should say there weren't hardly any girls with attractive faces. Most of the girls who were kinda hot were butterface girls. For anyone who isn't familiar with the term, it's like this: "She's got a nice body, but her face. . ." So is it possible that they are compensating for the lack of sexual excitement they get from just looking at the opposite sex?

This kind of fits with my theory of why anime has certain characteristics: they are jealous. Big eyes in anime to make up for squinty eyes, crazy hair color to make up for them all having black hair, and now sexual content to make for the lack sexual excitement in everyday life.

If anyone who is Japanese reads this I'm probably going to be in for an earful, but so be it.



You idiot
The round eyes came from old America cartoons like Betty Boop and Bugs Bunny. Anime isn't some new thing ya know. Animators never changed their style and kept with the large round eyes. Another thing is characters with more narrow eyes were considered more evil or vile people. Always planning something sinister.

As for your comment about Japanese women, just where the bloody hell part of Japan did you go? How long ago? How long did you stay? I just got back from Japan this October and I found plenty of attractive looking Japanese women. To be honest it was almost like a buffet. I'm not saying there weren't the butterface rolling around but if you think about it, that is everywhere in the world.

Saying there is something wrong with their race tells me you just have issues with Asian people in general. The only thing Japanese people have a real issue with are the teeth. But that can't be helped seeing how the toothpaste there is pure damn sugar. You said you couldn't find any girls without butter faces? Well if you ever go back to Japan let me know so I can show you just how wrong you were about their race.



Now quoting Nerdsonfire1

Let me clue you in, we don't like it because it is demeaning!

I understand what your saying but there is a big difference in which your overlooking.
Anime was first and pretty much always made for the viewers in Japan.
Now before anyone get crazy and stupid up in here I shall explain.

The creator is reaching for his fanbase which he knows of in HIS country. The women in again HIS country don't care enough to try and start some rite or movement to stop such perverted things. Reason being is because of culture. Here in the States women have risen up and speak out and loud about how they feel. Freedom of Speech is a great thing. Japan doesn't have such thing. They are far more quiet and simply ignore what could be taking place right in front of them.

ex: There are videos where some Japanese man is have sex with some Japanese girl on a bus, train, of even grocery store. People are all around and they will simply ignore the couple have sex and grab some melon bread. Now lets say some crap like this happened in the U.S. First off people will be shouting, camera phones will be pulled out, cops called, upload to youtube or some other site. We will make a spectacle of the event.

See the Japanese women just don't care. If they don't like it they don't watch it and won't even speak of it. Now you girlie won't forgive or forget such a thing for you find it demeaning, yet you are not even thought of when the creator was making this. Some random person from (wherever your from) that the creator will probably never meet hates the fact they are demeaning women. Honestly they don't care because the numbers from all the cash they make helps them sleep at night.

Lets us not forget that many of those creators can just as well be female themselves. Plus the female voice actress playing them. None of them care for it's art, a job, and keeping food on the table. It isn't effecting them one bit. They have no sleepless nights.

In closing, you don't like it.....meh oh well because it will not stop being produced. Just move on and enjoy those animes that don't have such things in it.
Posted 12/29/10
When it all comes down to it sex sells. Companies don't care if the minority thinks that females are portrayed as too unrealistic or too sexual. They only care about results and profit. It's like that in the US too. For example if I were to go to a random high school. I am most likely not going to find a bunch of super model high school girls like in the movies. Anyways anime that features women with well endowed breast are generally targeted toward teens and young adult males. It's honestly no surprise that this has been going on for decades.
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Rezzy put his finger on it: it all comes down to money, what sells (either direct manga or DVD sales, or will get the greatest amount of advertising money per broadcast) and how often it sells. Remember, also, that anime is NOT created for Western audiences. At best, it gives lip service to feminism, but the majority of anime writers, producers and animators are men. The overt sexuality of the female characters in many franchises is due to the wants and desires of its target audience: boys and men. But to be honest, I find the females portrayed in shonen anime a little preferrable to the tabula rasa female characters in most shojo anime, particularly the no-personality, 'please save me someone' sorts you see in reverse harem anime or stuff based on otome games. I just got done watching both Hakuouki series and I just want to beat the snot out of the main female character for being so useless. The 'sweet innocent darling' characters drive me up a tree. I'd much rather watch something like Black Lagoon, where the female characters have a sexual identity as well as some serious personality flaws, a history and are fully capable of defending themselves.
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I understand that Japanese culture is different and that women there are far more tolerant. You don't have to tell me that creators of anime don't care what I think, I already know that. As long as their target audience is happy and they can make money on perversions, well that's all that matters. I never said I wanted it to stop being produced, did I? I simply stated my thoughts on women being portrayed like this. I think I've made a few men on here uncomfortable with my observations. And that's what it all comes down to really, because when I say I think it's disgusting, the people who enjoy it take offense.
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