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I understand that Japanese culture is different and that women there are far more tolerant. You don't have to tell me that creators of anime don't care what I think, I already know that. As long as their target audience is happy and they can make money on perversions, well that's all that matters. I never said I wanted it to stop being produced, did I? I simply stated my thoughts on women being portrayed like this. I think I've made a few men on here uncomfortable with my observations. And that's what it all comes down to really, because when I say I think it's disgusting, the people who enjoy it take offense.


I take no offense to your views. You spoke your opinion and I respect that. I was simply stating facts. You disapprove of how they do their women in anime. Ok. It is perfectly understandable. I'm with you. Again I was just pointing out facts in this conversation. You seem to be taking more offense than I am for what I have stated.

I choose to be straight forward on adult conversations such as these. There is no need to allow my words to weigh so heavily upon you. Take it as information and another persons opinion and nothing more.
Posted 12/29/10
Just because it sells, doesn't mean it's good. Which is why I have a problem with anime such as Seikon no Qwasar.

To put it simply, I find it distasteful. It makes me believe that the creator is unable to produce anything provoking, so he results into panty shots to earn views.

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It's a man's world as the saying goes. Most viewers of anime are boys or men since they are the targeted audience they sex it up because it sells! I don't necessarily disagree with there tactics but the bad thing for me is that while this material should be for adults there are little kids out there watching this. It's kind of tough subject...
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Just because it sells, doesn't mean it's good. Which is why I have a problem with anime such as Seikon no Qwasar.

To put it simply, I find it distasteful. It makes me believe that the creator is unable to produce anything provoking, so he results into panty shots to earn views.



Yes, and that is what sells. As I've said before, don't blame the industry blame society. The audience primarily demands sex, thus the industry supplies sex. Everybody in that situation is happy and thus the world goes round. It's society that is creating the demand for sex, not the industry. It's a sad truth, but that's how it works.
Posted 12/29/10

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LosingOrbit wrote:

Just because it sells, doesn't mean it's good. Which is why I have a problem with anime such as Seikon no Qwasar.

To put it simply, I find it distasteful. It makes me believe that the creator is unable to produce anything provoking, so he results into panty shots to earn views.



Yes, and that is what sells. As I've said before, don't blame the industry blame society. The audience primarily demands sex, thus the industry supplies sex. Everybody in that situation is happy and thus the world goes round. It's society that is creating the demand for sex, not the industry. It's a sad truth, but that's how it works.


You can't just blame society for it though. These kinds of series don't HAVE to be made. They are chosen to be made because of money. The industry has to be held accountable for producing it.
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Posted 12/29/10

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Rezzy64 wrote:


LosingOrbit wrote:

Just because it sells, doesn't mean it's good. Which is why I have a problem with anime such as Seikon no Qwasar.

To put it simply, I find it distasteful. It makes me believe that the creator is unable to produce anything provoking, so he results into panty shots to earn views.



Yes, and that is what sells. As I've said before, don't blame the industry blame society. The audience primarily demands sex, thus the industry supplies sex. Everybody in that situation is happy and thus the world goes round. It's society that is creating the demand for sex, not the industry. It's a sad truth, but that's how it works.


You can't just blame society for it though. These kinds of series don't HAVE to be made. They are chosen to be made because of money. The industry has to be held accountable for producing it.


Yes you can blame society. Society is what buys into it. If something is actually distasteful to the point that nobody likes it then it's lost money. The industry then learns that this particular distasteful thing does not sell. They try what ever works till it sells. If sex was not something that society wanted in the entertainment industry, then they would not buy into it and thus the industry would not make money from it.
This is not the case though. Society wants sex in their entertainment because they throw money at the industry for more. Thus sex is a good market. Therefore the industry will keep producing sex based entertainment. Society is at fault for the sex problem in entertainment. Industry is not because they are just selling what people want to buy.
Posted 12/29/10

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nerdsonfire1 wrote:


Rezzy64 wrote:


LosingOrbit wrote:

Just because it sells, doesn't mean it's good. Which is why I have a problem with anime such as Seikon no Qwasar.

To put it simply, I find it distasteful. It makes me believe that the creator is unable to produce anything provoking, so he results into panty shots to earn views.



Yes, and that is what sells. As I've said before, don't blame the industry blame society. The audience primarily demands sex, thus the industry supplies sex. Everybody in that situation is happy and thus the world goes round. It's society that is creating the demand for sex, not the industry. It's a sad truth, but that's how it works.


You can't just blame society for it though. These kinds of series don't HAVE to be made. They are chosen to be made because of money. The industry has to be held accountable for producing it.


Yes you can blame society. Society is what buys into it. If something is actually distasteful to the point that nobody likes it then it's lost money. The industry then learns that this particular distasteful thing does not sell. They try what ever works till it sells. If sex was not something that society wanted in the entertainment industry, then they would not buy into it and thus the industry would not make money from it.
This is not the case though. Society wants sex in their entertainment because they throw money at the industry for more. Thus sex is a good market. Therefore the industry will keep producing sex based entertainment. Society is at fault for the sex problem in entertainment. Industry is not because they are just selling what people want to buy.


Society and the industry are equally at fault. I have no idea what was the first anime or manga to show women this way, but obviously it really took off which is why it's so popular now and mass produced. The entertainment industry has a complete hold on popular culture, it dictates it basically. The media brainwashes us in every aspect of our life. So no, society did not all of a sudden decide: Hey I really like big breasted, airheaded, horny girls. People have to get it from somewhere. And before someone brings it up, pornography and prostitution have always been around so of course society is interested in sex. That isn't the issue though since this topic is specifically about the depiction of hypersexualized females.
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That's bullshit. Pornographic imagery in anime did not just one day randomly spawn from an anime and suddenly people said "Oh look boobies!" Pornography in drawn made up stories goes back many centuries back to ancient Greece where Men and Women equally fell in love with painted and carved images of fictional characters with perfect bodies such as gods, deities, or heroes. Sorry to disappoint you but that type of culture has been around since the beginning of time as well as the industry and market for it as well. Urns, Sculptures, and even written fiction from early time was sold as pornography to entertain the masses of old cultures.

Anime as a current market has merely expanded upon that market in a much more effective fashion that is able to reach out to many areas and many tastes. The market is defined by it's society, not the other way around. Pornographic imagery will never die, even under oppressive government or oppressive statements (such as yours), Industry will live on as well as the market for pornographic tastes. As long as there are people there will be pornographic based urges, and where there are urges there is product, and where there is a product there is a market. Thus the world keeps spinning in the correct direction.

Now see, I as an individual, crave for more in entertainment other than sex and violence. I look for good stories as well as something that is literate and enjoyable. That is me as an individual, others may look at entertainment the same way. Although I prefer a great storyline over sex, I will never force my strict tastes on other people in an oppressive manner. I let them live their lives with their animated pornography, and I live mine with my animated literature. This makes me happy as well as they are happy and the industry supplies everybody with what they want, why? Because Business is a great thing and people should always remember that.
Do I like all the pornography in anime? No. Am I going to force an oppressive standstill on industry because I don't like all the pornography in anime? No. I will stick to my tastes and you should also. Leave the industry alone and instead try to educate the people that buy the crap.
Posted 12/29/10

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That's bullshit. Pornographic imagery in anime did not just one day randomly spawn from an anime and suddenly people said "Oh look boobies!" Pornography in drawn made up stories goes back many centuries back to ancient Greece where Men and Women equally fell in love with painted and carved images of fictional characters with perfect bodies such as gods, deities, or heroes. Sorry to disappoint you but that type of culture has been around since the beginning of time as well as the industry and market for it as well. Urns, Sculptures, and even written fiction from early time was sold as pornography to entertain the masses of old cultures.

Anime as a current market has merely expanded upon that market in a much more effective fashion that is able to reach out to many areas and many tastes. The market is defined by it's society, not the other way around. Pornographic imagery will never die, even under oppressive government or oppressive statements (such as yours), Industry will live on as well as the market for pornographic tastes. As long as there are people there will be pornographic based urges, and where there are urges there is product, and where there is a product there is a market. Thus the world keeps spinning in the correct direction.

Now see, I as an individual, crave for more in entertainment other than sex and violence. I look for good stories as well as something that is literate and enjoyable. That is me as an individual, others may look at entertainment the same way. Although I prefer a great storyline over sex, I will never force my strict tastes on other people in an oppressive manner. I let them live their lives with their animated pornography, and I live mine with my animated literature. This makes me happy as well as they are happy and the industry supplies everybody with what they want, why? Because Business is a great thing and people should always remember that.
Do I like all the pornography in anime? No. Am I going to force an oppressive standstill on industry because I don't like all the pornography in anime? No. I will stick to my tastes and you should also. Leave the industry alone and instead try to educate the people that buy the crap.


This isn't about pornography though! You are responding to the wrong topic, as there is one about pornography in anime already. No one can ever stay on topic in this thread :huh:

Posted 12/29/10 , edited 12/29/10

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That's bullshit. Pornographic imagery in anime did not just one day randomly spawn from an anime and suddenly people said "Oh look boobies!" Pornography in drawn made up stories goes back many centuries back to ancient Greece where Men and Women equally fell in love with painted and carved images of fictional characters with perfect bodies such as gods, deities, or heroes. Sorry to disappoint you but that type of culture has been around since the beginning of time as well as the industry and market for it as well. Urns, Sculptures, and even written fiction from early time was sold as pornography to entertain the masses of old cultures.

Anime as a current market has merely expanded upon that market in a much more effective fashion that is able to reach out to many areas and many tastes. The market is defined by it's society, not the other way around. Pornographic imagery will never die, even under oppressive government or oppressive statements (such as yours), Industry will live on as well as the market for pornographic tastes. As long as there are people there will be pornographic based urges, and where there are urges there is product, and where there is a product there is a market. Thus the world keeps spinning in the correct direction.

Now see, I as an individual, crave for more in entertainment other than sex and violence. I look for good stories as well as something that is literate and enjoyable. That is me as an individual, others may look at entertainment the same way. Although I prefer a great storyline over sex, I will never force my strict tastes on other people in an oppressive manner. I let them live their lives with their animated pornography, and I live mine with my animated literature. This makes me happy as well as they are happy and the industry supplies everybody with what they want, why? Because Business is a great thing and people should always remember that.
Do I like all the pornography in anime? No. Am I going to force an oppressive standstill on industry because I don't like all the pornography in anime? No. I will stick to my tastes and you should also. Leave the industry alone and instead try to educate the people that buy the crap.


How exactly is she being oppressive and trying to force her views on anyone? Frankly, from what I've seen, all she was doing was speaking her opinion.
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Oh god, the opinion wars...

But as I think some people have pointed out, sex does sell. That is of course why there are so many of these sort of characters who have been oversexualized, mainly because a good large amount of their income/fanbase is keen on watching these sorts of characters. Although I'm sure some people wish that they tone it down, if I myself were a large corporation creating and selling anime I would choose the easiest way to bring in money too. That is, oversexualization.

I do wonder how it would be to meet the animators of such a series. My grasp of Japanese culture is slim, but if they were to talk about how they animated series like these, I'd be interested to see how they felt about it, drawing lots of bouncing and blushing.
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nerdsonfire1 wrote:


Rezzy64 wrote:



That's bullshit. Pornographic imagery in anime did not just one day randomly spawn from an anime and suddenly people said "Oh look boobies!" Pornography in drawn made up stories goes back many centuries back to ancient Greece where Men and Women equally fell in love with painted and carved images of fictional characters with perfect bodies such as gods, deities, or heroes. Sorry to disappoint you but that type of culture has been around since the beginning of time as well as the industry and market for it as well. Urns, Sculptures, and even written fiction from early time was sold as pornography to entertain the masses of old cultures.

Anime as a current market has merely expanded upon that market in a much more effective fashion that is able to reach out to many areas and many tastes. The market is defined by it's society, not the other way around. Pornographic imagery will never die, even under oppressive government or oppressive statements (such as yours), Industry will live on as well as the market for pornographic tastes. As long as there are people there will be pornographic based urges, and where there are urges there is product, and where there is a product there is a market. Thus the world keeps spinning in the correct direction.

Now see, I as an individual, crave for more in entertainment other than sex and violence. I look for good stories as well as something that is literate and enjoyable. That is me as an individual, others may look at entertainment the same way. Although I prefer a great storyline over sex, I will never force my strict tastes on other people in an oppressive manner. I let them live their lives with their animated pornography, and I live mine with my animated literature. This makes me happy as well as they are happy and the industry supplies everybody with what they want, why? Because Business is a great thing and people should always remember that.
Do I like all the pornography in anime? No. Am I going to force an oppressive standstill on industry because I don't like all the pornography in anime? No. I will stick to my tastes and you should also. Leave the industry alone and instead try to educate the people that buy the crap.


This isn't about pornography though! You are responding to the wrong topic, as there is one about pornography in anime already. No one can ever stay on topic in this thread :huh:



This is correctly on topic as it is talking about female characters that have the soul purpose of providing fan service which is at the very least a form of soft pornography in the anime industry. This topic is focused on the annoyance on so said characters and the wish to have them eliminated from anime and why they should be eliminated. I am not off topic in the least.


LosingOrbit wrote:
How exactly is she being oppressive and trying to force her views on anyone? Frankly, from what I've seen, all she was doing was speaking her opinion.


Yes, every single statement that any person would ever say that is not directly constituted as a fact is an opinion thank you for reminding me to what is constantly obvious in every argument ever.
The fact is though what her statement is directed towards is the concept that industry is the problem and thus all blame lies on industry because it is and I quote from her previous post, "The entertainment industry has a complete hold on popular culture, it dictates it basically. The media brainwashes us in every aspect of our life."
This statement is used in a form of hostility, that promotes the idea of punishing industry for something that it "allegedly" does.
Although my tastes prefer lack of sexual content in entertainment, I refuse to uphold an oppressive opinion simply because it is oppressive.

The industry does not tell society what is popular. It's the other way around. Society wants what society wants, Industry is here to give it to them at the appropriate price.
Posted 12/29/10

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Rezzy64 wrote:



That's bullshit. Pornographic imagery in anime did not just one day randomly spawn from an anime and suddenly people said "Oh look boobies!" Pornography in drawn made up stories goes back many centuries back to ancient Greece where Men and Women equally fell in love with painted and carved images of fictional characters with perfect bodies such as gods, deities, or heroes. Sorry to disappoint you but that type of culture has been around since the beginning of time as well as the industry and market for it as well. Urns, Sculptures, and even written fiction from early time was sold as pornography to entertain the masses of old cultures.

Anime as a current market has merely expanded upon that market in a much more effective fashion that is able to reach out to many areas and many tastes. The market is defined by it's society, not the other way around. Pornographic imagery will never die, even under oppressive government or oppressive statements (such as yours), Industry will live on as well as the market for pornographic tastes. As long as there are people there will be pornographic based urges, and where there are urges there is product, and where there is a product there is a market. Thus the world keeps spinning in the correct direction.

Now see, I as an individual, crave for more in entertainment other than sex and violence. I look for good stories as well as something that is literate and enjoyable. That is me as an individual, others may look at entertainment the same way. Although I prefer a great storyline over sex, I will never force my strict tastes on other people in an oppressive manner. I let them live their lives with their animated pornography, and I live mine with my animated literature. This makes me happy as well as they are happy and the industry supplies everybody with what they want, why? Because Business is a great thing and people should always remember that.
Do I like all the pornography in anime? No. Am I going to force an oppressive standstill on industry because I don't like all the pornography in anime? No. I will stick to my tastes and you should also. Leave the industry alone and instead try to educate the people that buy the crap.


How exactly is she being oppressive and trying to force her views on anyone? Frankly, from what I've seen, all she was doing was speaking her opinion.


Thank you. I guess defending women around here is a taboo subject as I've gotten this reaction in another thread too. It's so tiresome the way others attack someone or try and steer the discussion in another direction entirely (like switching to the origins of pornography because they don't want to talk about the real matter). No one has even addressed why men enjoy seeing women portrayed as sexual objects only. I'm interested to see some responses on that, but maybe it's too uncomfortable for some to talk about or they are embarrassed.

I just think it's laughable that Rezzy doesn't hold the anime industry responsible since they are the ones who draw and put it out there. If they didn't, then there would be nothing for people to see. Let me clarify that I do not have a problem with pornography-- some people like it, some people don't. What I do have a problem with is showing women and young girls as good for nothing except sex by the way they look, dress, and act. Sex is a part of life, I am not disputing this, and yeah it has a place in anime and manga, but there is no reason for them to have female characters like this. Am I making myself clear finally? Or are people still going to twist my words around or go off on some stupid tangents because they don't want to address the real issue here.

Rezzy, take a media class in college if you want to learn about just how influential the entertainment industry is on our lives.
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don't really care to be honest with you females don't complain when males are done the same way, so why should I care about females? "yes there are anime series out that do that" to quote what Retbulter said from the movie "Gone with the WInd "Frankly My dear I don't give a damn" Also I want to point out that they are not real people and never will be real people they are just some made up characters like in any other forum of visual medium out there. I will add one thing the whole "waifu" thing is one thing I will not understand, sure some of the anime girls are hot but come on are some people that lonely and desperate to make in their heads that they are married to that character. I guess the only other thing I can add is this being attracted to a 16 or 17 year old is perfectly healthy and works both way for males and females but due to laws in most countries the age limit of consent is well guess what "16 or 17" even the state I am from is such the case but I do no want to dabble in political affairs about the age of consent etc right now. If you agree with me fine, if you don't then what ever, I am still open for some debate though.


ummm.... you almost never see men done that way in shojo anime or manga. I wouldn't watch or read it if it was like that.
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Yet isn't it still her opinion? Of course, that doesn't make it automatically right. Tell me, who exactly is she oppressing with her opinion? How is she being tyrannical or unreasonably burdensome? Certainly it's not to you or anyone else. Either way, I see it as both parties influencing each other. One because of greed and the other because of lust; there isn't just one guilty party. All of society doesn't want to see smut, but unfortunately the majority do.

I understand the "sex sells" part, but frankly it's overdone.
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