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Christian allegories in fiction.
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That's a very interesting theory, i never thought of it that way before. Who knows? Some of its intentional and some of it isn't. Although I do tend to believe that most of it is subconscious.


yeah i agree. sometimes social programming just comes out in every aspect of peoples lives. if you live in a place were there is a major theocratic belief then it usually gets ingrained in the society and thus in the human psyche

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dude, the ultimate example of what your taking about is starwars. the force is god. the jedis are the christians. luke skywalker is the messiah. the emperor is the devil. and so on....
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applexshampoo -
Really? I don't see it. (Oh, you can't help that :P) So give us your knowledge. In what way is Scrubs an example? What other examples did you explore in English class?

saiyukilover

I thought she talked about her Christian Imagery...

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1572107/20071017/index.jhtml
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Kagai_Tenma - >_< Please don't say that. I realise that there were some instances, but mostly it was a study of the mind and the philosophies of life and... well quite frankly I just disagree with it on a whole.


music190 - *blinks*... thank you?

and yeah, I finally figured it out at the end, I was just giving an example of how blind I am toward that sort of thing. I suppose that's another question.. why is it so obvious to others when people like me have to have the truth handed to them in a sentence like ... ok, I can't actually remember exactly which sentence clued me in but it was blatant ^_^

HypnoSurf22 - So... emotions are the devil's tool?
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well you see the characters in scrubs often using christian goggles to look at situations that occur in the show.

the most used one in scrubs would be penance. the episode were the janitor makes shorts for JD as an example, in this episode JD comments on how good the janitor is looking in shorts so as an act of friendship and in true christian style he offers a pair made of scrubs for JD made out of scrubs (even though through the whole series we see a JD/janitor based rivalry)

JD sins against the janitor by lying to him about wearing the shorts which the janitor finds lying in the dumpster. at the end of this episode we see JD paying a penance for his wrongful treatment of the janitor by wearing the dirty scrub shorts on a date, when asked why he's doing it JD replies: to mend some bridges or something along those lines indicating that he is in fact paying a penance for his behaviour

that’s one episode we looked at also another good example is the black nurse's catchphrase "i don't care but jesus does" or "you don't have to answer to me but you'll have to answer to jesus" which appears in a lot of episodes as if to keep reminding the audience that jesus sees everything we do and we’re being judged in our daily lives

EDIT: oh and also a lot of JD's great insights like: "I think the easiest way to lose something is to want it too badly." we all know to gain something in life you have to work hard and it will pay off. wanting something too badly isn't normally associated with loss but gain so what is he really saying? could it be a reference to lust or greed? and that loosing something is your soul, faith, path?

we also did LOTR and a musician of choice, i did jack johnson if i remember correctly
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heh most of these are overlooked. great idea
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applexshampoo -

I don't know if you can point to the black christian nurse. When I think of her I think of that episode where that asshat doctor (can never remember his name) is trying to prove to her that God doesn't exist and that not everything has a meaning. It ends when they bring in a 7 year old girl that had gotten stabbed in a robbery and he asks, "and what was God's plan here" or something.

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Then again, maybe that just emphasises your point. I don't watch the show that often. "The greatest show you're not watching" is what Family Guy called it and I think they're right.

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But is penance Christian or Catholic? "Catholics don't celebrate their faith, they mourn it." ~ muse from Dogma. Not that it really matters to the discussion directly, but I think that if there are Christian undertones in most of the media today then it stands to reason we would see some religious sects in it as well.

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I don't know... I can't say that I agree with that insight. *chuckles* but then I really don't know what he's getting at. Greed isn't normally associated with loss of the object but rather other more valuable things around you in your drive to get it.

welook - You think so? Which one particularly suprises you?
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I'm not Christian and I don't really notice that kind of stuff when watching movies or reading books. I think that some authors don't actually do it intentionally, but just automatically write down things from a Christians perspective because of the way they were maybe brought up. For those who do do it intentionally, for me, I'm not offended at all as someone that isn't Christian. In fact, I find it quite interesting to read/watch, But sometimes though, it feels like their throwing the religion down your throat... I think some authors need to keep in mind that not everyone in the world believes in a specific religion... ^-^ Otherwise, you have a very interesting theory! I mean, I never would have noticed that about Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and I've watched a zillion times. ^-^ I kind of realized that about the Chronicles of Narnia being kind of on Christian with the "Son of Adam" and "Daughter of Eve" but it never occurred to me the lion was representing god in that book. ^_^
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applexshampoo -

I don't know if you can point to the black christian nurse. When I think of her I think of that episode where that asshat doctor (can never remember his name) is trying to prove to her that God doesn't exist and that not everything has a meaning. It ends when they bring in a 7 year old girl that had gotten stabbed in a robbery and he asks, "and what was God's plan here" or something.

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Then again, maybe that just emphasises your point. I don't watch the show that often. "The greatest show you're not watching" is what Family Guy called it and I think they're right.

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But is penance Christian or Catholic? "Catholics don't celebrate their faith, they mourn it." ~ muse from Dogma. Not that it really matters to the discussion directly, but I think that if there are Christian undertones in most of the media today then it stands to reason we would see some religious sects in it as well.

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I don't know... I can't say that I agree with that insight. *chuckles* but then I really don't know what he's getting at. Greed isn't normally associated with loss of the object but rather other more valuable things around you in your drive to get it.

welook - You think so? Which one particularly suprises you?


lol, well its just something i've seen with in the show. some people agreed and some people didn't..such is life

well i was un-aware that the catholics were excluded from the christian definition. on a sensis form i always had to tick christian with a little catholic in brackets.

greed in dogma is usually associated with loosing ones christian way or heading down the path to eternal damnation. he’s always having insights that are contradictory though, i can’t remember any more off the top of my head though.
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also isn't it normal to borrow from one of the most complex pieces of fiction to ever grace our world? /atheist post
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- Jesus actually... O_o; Never really got the trinity down myself, but each part is represented differently. As for those shoving it down your throat... *cough* Tim LaHaye/Jerry Jenkins *cough*... they could say it's within your abilities not to read it. Usually when it's blatant, they clue you in that it's Christian fiction.... usually.

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- I'm not saying that they're exluded.. I'm just saying that from Catholics to Mormons you have some very different takes on the "Good Book" and that with further study you could probably see that reflected in the media as well.

Looks like the Christian community sees the confusion too. And from what I've read, the Christian nurse gave up her faith. Guess you can't be religious in a hospital.

Edit: "most complex pieces of fiction to ever grace our world"... meh... Shakespear kicked Moses's literary ass.
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How many times did you watch Willy Wonka to come up with that theory?Well I was practically distracted by Oompa Lumpas throughout the whole movie to come out with something like that.It depends on how you view a movie.
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- I guess you're right.. I can't over look the possibility that I'm just over thinking a harmless children's movie about how behaving gets you a lifetime of candy... (salvation) ^_^
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hq145 wrote:

So... emotions are the devil's tool?


I don't think thier the devil's per say but he will use them for his purpose; just like how the emperor tried to seduce Luke with the power of the dark side.
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hq145 wrote:

Wonka also says Slugworth works for him, (the
same way the devil "works" for God.)...
am I right? [asmb]




the devil does NOT work for God. The devil is a fallen angel that God has rejected ever scince it did blasphemy. God rejects the devil completely and does not support the devil's works in any ways.


other than that the other things were pretty interesting but I think it is a bit farfetched. The reason I think it wasn't intentional is because allegories are created to intentionally have the reader catch it. Willy Wonka however, was written for the child audience, (well most children I know don't think too deeply to think about religion to that extent).


I guess my statement contradicts the allegories in Narnia, but C.S Lewis told the readers directly of what he did.

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