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Christian allegories in fiction.
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you are just reading into it too much if you wanted to im sure you could see anything you want in these things u read...............
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Trigun by Yasuhiro Nightow. it has obvious Christian allegories...thou shall not kill,and Wolfwood asking for God's forgiveness. Yasuhiro Nighttow is a catholic with Buddhism ideals.
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I don't think that the willy wonka theory works, just because god doesn't accede his power, and lots of it just doesn't gel, but narnia probably fits, as do alot of other books
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magnus102 wrote:


hq145 wrote:

aminasahra - Me too. ^_^ Which sin do you think each kid represented?


From left to right: Augustus, Violet, Veruca, Mike, and Charlie (though I always thought the sin was his Grandfather).

Jinchengfan - Life or the Matrix?


Verruca Salt =Greed, Augustus= Gluttony, Violet=Pride (in her gum chewing prowess), Mike= hard to say really I will say Pride for him or Sloth all that tv watching.
I do not think they represented sins but thats how I would place them


When I looked it up on Wikipedia, this is what I got:

Verruca - Avarice/Greed
Violet - Pride
Augustus - Gluttony
Mike - Sloth (in the book and the original movie), Wrath (in the remake)

And if you wanna get really technical, Charlie, the supposed "Good Kid", in the original movie, could possibly represent Envy.

: D I love these kinds of obscure references. Especially Christian references. After reading the first post of this thread, I'm never gonna look at Willy Wonka the same way again. : )
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This is not new, any one that is aware of the bible and what is in it can easily pick up biblical references. The two examples you mentioned is just weak, I can give you even better examples, I once did an entire study on this. BTW Narnia is known as a Christian themed novel series, the author has written countless Novels with bibical refences. He is known to Christains as a Christian author.

Matrix is also known to have bibilical refences, and Star Wars is also based off of a religion. It's not a conspiracy these ppl know what they are writing about. I would be glad to supply you with a detail list of "religion in the mdia." personally I think adding bibilical theme to stories often adds a third dimension the the chracters and media.
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magnus102 wrote:


hikaruchan16 wrote:


magnus102 wrote:


hq145 wrote:

aminasahra - Me too. ^_^ Which sin do you think each kid represented?


From left to right: Augustus, Violet, Veruca, Mike, and Charlie (though I always thought the sin was his Grandfather).

Jinchengfan - Life or the Matrix?


Verruca Salt =Greed, Augustus= Gluttony, Violet=Pride (in her gum chewing prowess), Mike= hard to say really I will say Pride for him or Sloth all that tv watching.
I do not think they represented sins but thats how I would place them


When I looked it up on Wikipedia, this is what I got:

Verruca - Avarice/Greed
Violet - Pride
Augustus - Gluttony
Mike - Sloth (in the book and the original movie), Wrath (in the remake)

And if you wanna get really technical, Charlie, the supposed "Good Kid", in the original movie, could possibly represent Envy.

: D I love these kinds of obscure references. Especially Christian references. After reading the first post of this thread, I'm never gonna look at Willy Wonka the same way again. : )


Keep in mind Dahl never meant for people to take this from his book.


That may be true...but the fact that it can be interpreted that way is interesting, and it a way, it seems a bit too uncanny for me.

I'm sure it may just be a coincidence, or rather, since I don't really believe in coincidences, it's just wild speculation. But it's fun. : D
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Every Disney movie is a Christian allagory just look at "The Lion King".
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hq145 wrote:

First, obligatory: I did a search, sorry if this is a duplicate.

Willy Wonka:

" Okay....I'm watching willy wonka for the zillionth time,
and I says to myself...'hmm....this seems cosmological'.
Yes, I know it sounds pitiful, but check this-
The whole movie seems to be about the soul trying to
get to heaven; First the 'golden ticket' is an invitation
to LIFE. SLUGWORTH is the devil...he wants the
'everlasting gobstopper' because it's the symbol of the SOUL.
(that's why it's EVERLASTING). Wonka seems to know everything
that's gonna happen, like when Augustus gets s.ucked up
in the tube, well, when the boat comes around, there is
only room for those left, no room for Augustus and his mom,
so willy KNEW he would be gone!
He gives them all the Gobstopper, but in the end charlie returns
it to Wonka, just as a righteous soul tries to get back to
God....Wonka also says Slugworth works for him, (the
same way the devil "works" for God.)...
am I right? and yes, I know I have a lot of time
on my hands, so don't tell me in your reply.
OOmpa loompa doompadity do-
I've got a really weird theory for you..." ~andy1 [asmb]

Chronicles of Narnia:

Ok, call me completely clueless, but I didn't see that one until the very last book. I didn't see it when he was creating a new world. I didn't see it when they were called "sons of adam" and "daughters of eve"... I was still clueless when the sacrificial nature of his death invoked an "older magic" that caused him to "rise again". Lookinb back it's obvious.. but I just didn't connect them at the time. Not to spoil anything for anyone, but the Lion is Jesus. < that one's actually tells you straight up what's going on, so in its case I think it's intentional.



So what do you think about the Willy Wonka theory? Have you noticed any sly religious basings in any of the fiction you've enjoyed? Do you think it was deliberate or do you think it was just a reflection of the writer's subconcious knowledge of the Bible beaten into them through repetition? Do you think there are more or less biblical references in today's fiction than what came before it?



Well, C.S Lewis was a Christian writer. The Chronicles of Narnia were meant to be directed to Christian families for Christian children. So it’s not exactly a sly slip of Christianity.I really can’t believe you didn’t see this. As for your Willy Wonka theory, no. That’s actually from the devil, the little singing guys are a clear sign of that. Evil!

But, yes. I have noticed this quite a lot. It’s in the Lord of the Rings. It’s in Uncle Tom’s Cabin. (Uncle Tom Symbolizes Jesus Christ.) It’s in a lot of major literature and I see nothing –wrong- with it. It’s not like your child’s going to convert to Christianity because he read Narnia. And art is all about self expression, and religion is a major piece of identity.

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I know that the POS Twilight has a lot of christian undertones that were intentionally put in it, or so I'm told, but seeing as how the author is a Mormon I'm not really all that surprised
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Well, C.S Lewis was a Christian writer. The Chronicles of Narnia were meant to be directed to Christian families for Christian children. So it’s not exactly a sly slip of Christianity.I really can’t believe you didn’t see this. As for your Willy Wonka theory, no. That’s actually from the devil, the little singing guys are a clear sign of that. Evil!

But, yes. I have noticed this quite a lot. It’s in the Lord of the Rings. It’s in Uncle Tom’s Cabin. (Uncle Tom Symbolizes Jesus Christ.) It’s in a lot of major literature and I see nothing –wrong- with it. It’s not like your child’s going to convert to Christianity because he read Narnia. And art is all about self expression, and religion is a major piece of identity.



Nice necrobump ^_^. I never said there was anything wrong with literature being Christian allegories, though I'll admit to having implied it with negative word choices. *chuckles* But that was a year ago, and at that time I was losing patience with any reference to God... at least the one portrayed in Abraham's bible. I'm over the misdirected anger now.

I really didn't see it in Narnia. I blame the epic story and wonderful narration that sucked me in so deep sometimes I forgot I was reading a book. My question at the root was really how many Christian allegories are there by accident and how many are there on purpose. And now I'm wondering, how many that are there on accident are only there if you choose to see it that way... or some other more eloquent way to pose that question....

You thought the Oompa Loompa's were evil? But they had such catchy songs!
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I know that the POS Twilight has a lot of christian undertones that were intentionally put in it, or so I'm told, but seeing as how the author is a Mormon I'm not really all that surprised


Ok, then like in Narnia.. I completely missed the Christian undertones. I mean, except maybe waiting until they were married to have sex or the question of souls and the afterlife.. but really, you'll find those in any religion.. well, most any religion.
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hq145 wrote:

First, obligatory: I did a search, sorry if this is a duplicate.

Willy Wonka:

" Okay....I'm watching willy wonka for the zillionth time,
and I says to myself...'hmm....this seems cosmological'.
Yes, I know it sounds pitiful, but check this-
The whole movie seems to be about the soul trying to
get to heaven; First the 'golden ticket' is an invitation
to LIFE. SLUGWORTH is the devil...he wants the
'everlasting gobstopper' because it's the symbol of the SOUL.
(that's why it's EVERLASTING). Wonka seems to know everything
that's gonna happen, like when Augustus gets s.ucked up
in the tube, well, when the boat comes around, there is
only room for those left, no room for Augustus and his mom,
so willy KNEW he would be gone!
He gives them all the Gobstopper, but in the end charlie returns
it to Wonka, just as a righteous soul tries to get back to
God....Wonka also says Slugworth works for him, (the
same way the devil "works" for God.)...
am I right? and yes, I know I have a lot of time
on my hands, so don't tell me in your reply.
OOmpa loompa doompadity do-
I've got a really weird theory for you..." ~andy1 [asmb]

Chronicles of Narnia:

Ok, call me completely clueless, but I didn't see that one until the very last book. I didn't see it when he was creating a new world. I didn't see it when they were called "sons of adam" and "daughters of eve"... I was still clueless when the sacrificial nature of his death invoked an "older magic" that caused him to "rise again". Lookinb back it's obvious.. but I just didn't connect them at the time. Not to spoil anything for anyone, but the Lion is Jesus. < that one's actually tells you straight up what's going on, so in its case I think it's intentional.



So what do you think about the Willy Wonka theory? Have you noticed any sly religious basings in any of the fiction you've enjoyed? Do you think it was deliberate or do you think it was just a reflection of the writer's subconcious knowledge of the Bible beaten into them through repetition? Do you think there are more or less biblical references in today's fiction than what came before it?


First one's just stupid, second one is true.
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hq145 wrote:

Nice necrobump ^_^. I never said there was anything wrong with literature being Christian allegories, though I'll admit to having implied it with negative word choices. *chuckles* But that was a year ago, and at that time I was losing patience with any reference to God... at least the one portrayed in Abraham's bible. I'm over the misdirected anger now.

I really didn't see it in Narnia. I blame the epic story and wonderful narration that sucked me in so deep sometimes I forgot I was reading a book. My question at the root was really how many Christian allegories are there by accident and how many are there on purpose. And now I'm wondering, how many that are there on accident are only there if you choose to see it that way... or some other more eloquent way to pose that question....

You thought the Oompa Loompa's were evil? But they had such catchy songs!


I know, this was on the very last page of the forum and about to disappear and I rescued it! As far as the Christian allegories, I think a lot of them are actually cultural. Christianity is a part of western culture. Our values are by and large Christian. So if you’re trying to support western values it may come off as Christian…

And the road to hell is paved with catch songs.
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True. I suppose most fiction that comes across as Christian really only does so because they use the story to support a morality ingrained into the author. I guess to know for sure I'd have to read books written by authors of other religions. Though I find that the most basic principles of all positive religions are the same. They're mostly just rules that societies must follow in order to maintain itself. (i.e. no killing, no stealing)

I heard it was gold. Curse the wicked that led me to this path of lies!
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