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Christian allegories in fiction.
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First one's just stupid, second one is true.


I'm blown away by your concise contribution to the topic.
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yeah....

Ive heard all this....

but dont most cultures have at least 9000 stories about this type of thing.....
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Christianity itself was based on a book of fiction called the Bible.
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yeah....

Ive heard all this....

but dont most cultures have at least 9000 stories about this type of thing.....


Probably more if you look for it in everything. But that doesn't mean it's not interesting. It's sort of like a "Where's Waldo" for people of the mind to link events in fiction to Biblical stories.


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Christianity itself was based on a book of fiction called the Bible.


Hey now, while a lot of the stories were meant to ingrain predetermined morals into the readers that doesn't mean that the entire book is fictitious. In fact a lot of the Bible coincides with documented events.
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True. I suppose most fiction that comes across as Christian really only does so because they use the story to support a morality ingrained into the author. I guess to know for sure I'd have to read books written by authors of other religions. Though I find that the most basic principles of all positive religions are the same. They're mostly just rules that societies must follow in order to maintain itself. (i.e. no killing, no stealing)

I heard it was gold. Curse the wicked that led me to this path of lies!


Well people used to believe it was paved by the skulls of unbaptized infants….I think, had I been born in another time, I wouldn’t have been Christian because of things like that. Like Martin Luther of the protestant reformation. He wanted the Jews to support him for his reformation but they didn’t want to get involved because the Christian’s had been persecuting the for generations. And that made Martin Luther angry so he wrote, “Concerning the Jews with their lies.”

But I live in the new world and have resources to look at the true nature of Christianity so that worked out for me. Lol.

Read “The Golden Compass,” series by Pullman. He’s an atheist and he wrote the books to ‘undermine Christianity,” so it’s actually atheistic allegories instead of Christian allegories. The atheist’s Narnia, lol!
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*chuckles* I bought that book with that specific intention actually. I just couldn't get into it and shelved it though. I may have to try again once I'm done with the two books I'm reading now.

There are some factions of Christianity that make me question the true nature of those who follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, but still others that draw me to Christianity for its positive influences. I guess it just goes to show you that faith is not a religion.

I never got the unbaptized infants going to hell thing. I mean, wasn't Jesus baptized when he was around thirty or something?
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hq145 wrote:


new_mudfish_doctorate wrote:


yeah....

Ive heard all this....

but dont most cultures have at least 9000 stories about this type of thing.....


Probably more if you look for it in everything. But that doesn't mean it's not interesting. It's sort of like a "Where's Waldo" for people of the mind to link events in fiction to Biblical stories.


Kill099 wrote:

Christianity itself was based on a book of fiction called the Bible.


Hey now, while a lot of the stories were meant to ingrain predetermined morals into the readers that doesn't mean that the entire book is fictitious. In fact a lot of the Bible coincides with documented events.


Well the Bible is fiction with some references to reality. Like how there is London and King Cross in Harry Potter.
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Hey now, while a lot of the stories were meant to ingrain predetermined morals into the readers that doesn't mean that the entire book is fictitious. In fact a lot of the Bible coincides with documented events.


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Well the Bible is fiction with some references to reality. Like how there is London and King Cross in Harry Potter.


I'll agree with you on Adam and Eve.. every religion has a creation story, but the actuality of that happening... doubtful. Maybe Cain and Abel to a degree, though they could have lived. The story of Jonah getting swallowed by the whale, definitely. But the New Testament? No. Whether or not Jesus was the son of God is up to debate and always will be, but the documentation of the travels of the apostles is real enough. His miracles... that may be embellishment or truth, but the life of Jesus himself as a man is not in debate. Story of Job I think may have a tint of myth, given that the Devil himself takes away all his possessions.

What I mean to say is that you can call it fiction, but it's only fiction if the main purpose of the Bible.. to teach people about God and the values he wants to instill in the people, is false. But that is a debate that can never be won, because it can never be proven either way. That's just the way it goes when there's a supernatural deity involved.



Kill099 wrote:


Hey now, while a lot of the stories were meant to ingrain predetermined morals into the readers that doesn't mean that the entire book is fictitious. In fact a lot of the Bible coincides with documented events.


Like?



The walls of Jericho and how it crumbled, a tomb that was found to exist.. I'm sketchy on the details, the flood, letters from the Apostle Paul (at least I think it's Paul) buried under a crypt, the life of Jesus from birth to articles from the King of the time about how he wanted Jesus dead. Things like that.

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leviathan343 wrote:


First one's just stupid, second one is true.


I'm blown away by your concise contribution to the topic.


I wasn't aware this was a philosophical discussion. Am I obliged to answer the other questions?
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*chuckles* I bought that book with that specific intention actually. I just couldn't get into it and shelved it though. I may have to try again once I'm done with the two books I'm reading now.

There are some factions of Christianity that make me question the true nature of those who follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, but still others that draw me to Christianity for its positive influences. I guess it just goes to show you that faith is not a religion.

I never got the unbaptized infants going to hell thing. I mean, wasn't Jesus baptized when he was around thirty or something?


He was thirty three, to be specific. That’s a spiritual number around the world. But, yeah, I know exactly what you mean. It’s hard to see Christianity in a positive light with skin heads running around. But, you just have to understand that this isn’t –necessarily- the true nature of the religion. And that, Christianity has also created some of the longest and largest charities in the world. And it also introduced humanitarian values to the western world.
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The walls of Jericho and how it crumbled, a tomb that was found to exist.. I'm sketchy on the details, the flood, letters from the Apostle Paul (at least I think it's Paul) buried under a crypt, the life of Jesus from birth to articles from the King of the time about how he wanted Jesus dead. Things like that.



Ahh ok, just like the movies Titanic, Gone with the Wind, and Doctor Zhivago. Fictional stories w/c coincides with factual events are still fiction.
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*chuckles* You're not obliged to answer anything. However, I posted this in the extended discussion section in the hopes of getting a bit more than

First one's just stupid, second one is true.
It didn't have to be a philosophical observation. Could have been a life experience, a book you read... anything relating to Christian allegories in fiction you've noted.
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It makes me sad to think that the better side of Christian religions... primarily moral guidance and socializing with neighbors might be declining. I don't talk to any of my neighbors, do you? I find that most people in my age group don't go to church and are either agnostic or atheist. I hope it's just the people I hang out with and not a reflection of declining church going. While there are some people who can exist in this world without religion, I have to think there was more to it's near 2000 year run than fear and the restrictions of society.



Except that the letters of the apostles at least were written in the time of Jesus. And the Old Testament was around long before him. Not that age necessitates truth, but it's not like someone said, "Hey, lets make a new religion to get people to give us a tenth of their income" and thus the Bible was born. And nice sidestep the possibility of the existence of a supernatural deity and how that might effect the fiction/nonfiction question. ^_^
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I tend to watch, or read things for what they are, Entertainment. I don't really dig through the material in search for hidden messages, or links to religion or anything...Maybe I should start?...Nah...But "most" of the posts made by people here are interesting to say the least, made me think about some of the stuff I've seen.
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