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Winter 2011 Lineup: Beelzebub & Rio - Rainbow Gate
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darkpollo wrote: Correct. Still not sure how they handle these "distribution" restrictions... Maybe, If I could understand the rules would be different

I think is a matter of criteria. Some Animation Studios think that Spanish America is a good market. Other might think is not. In either cases, their decisions are respected and I am pretty sure we just have to wait until they change their minds. *crossing fingers*

There are two sides. First side is if they think there may be a more lucrative distribution deal ~ normally DVD ~ and one or more of the potential bidders don't like to see a prior stream into their country. An example for Spanish America would be Giant Killing, since some Futbol anime have done very well in Spanish America.

Second side is that they do not expect the income to be worth the while of even analyzing whether the stream makes business sense. In that case, some production committees have a strategy of "stream everywhere unless there is a reason not to", but most seem to have a strategy of, "only stream if there is a clear reason to do so".

For series that come from manga, both can be in operation at once ~ there might be a prospective licensor for language rights to the manga, and the expectation is that the anime stream won't be worth enough to bother looking into the conflict.

I don't know who the Spanish language manga publishers are (well, that is I don't know anything at all current ~ I know that Rose of Versailles was published in Spanish out of Madrid, since between Japanese, French and Spanish, Spanish is my best bet at reading the manga), but since Beelzebub is a Shonen Jump manga series, protecting the character rights in the Spanish language publication rights market could easily be part of it.

So its murky because there are so many moving parts:
* what are the relative hit rates in Portuguese and Spanish language markets for different types of English-subtitled anime?
* what are the streaming ad markets like in Brazil and in major Spanish markets for streaming English-subtitled anime?
* what are the attitudes of DVD distributors, if any, in Portuguese language and Spanish language markets?
* what are the attitudes of manga publishers, if any, in Portuguese language and Spanish language markets?
* and what is the attitude of the production committee, "stream unless reason not to", versus "stream if reason to do so"

With only one or two moving parts, its is often possible to work out what is going on behind the scenes from the results alone. But, when there are so many moving parts, its hard to work out what is going on behind the scenes until an insider lets some information slip out.


theskyflame wrote: That's something I wouldn't get since beel is the top 2 most anticipated anime of the season so it doesn't make sence tto limit regions that have a lot of users from but most likely they will try to expand regions.


See "stream unless reason not to", versus "stream if reason to do so" above ... I think that "stream unless clear reason not to" is the wisest long term strategy, but clearly there are lots of production committees that do not agree with me.
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darkpollo wrote: Correct. Still not sure how they handle these "distribution" restrictions... Maybe, If I could understand the rules would be different

I think is a matter of criteria. Some Animation Studios think that Spanish America is a good market. Other might think is not. In either cases, their decisions are respected and I am pretty sure we just have to wait until they change their minds. *crossing fingers*

There are two sides. First side is if they think there may be a more lucrative distribution deal ~ normally DVD ~ and one or more of the potential bidders don't like to see a prior stream into their country. An example for Spanish America would be Giant Killing, since some Futbol anime have done very well in Spanish America.

Second side is that they do not expect the income to be worth the while of even analyzing whether the stream makes business sense. In that case, some production committees have a strategy of "stream everywhere unless there is a reason not to", but most seem to have a strategy of, "only stream if there is a clear reason to do so".

For series that come from manga, both can be in operation at once ~ there might be a prospective licensor for language rights to the manga, and the expectation is that the anime stream won't be worth enough to bother looking into the conflict.

I don't know who the Spanish language manga publishers are (well, that is I don't know anything at all current ~ I know that Rose of Versailles was published in Spanish out of Madrid, since between Japanese, French and Spanish, Spanish is my best bet at reading the manga), but since Beelzebub is a Shonen Jump manga series, protecting the character rights in the Spanish language publication rights market could easily be part of it.

So its murky because there are so many moving parts:
* what are the relative hit rates in Portuguese and Spanish language markets for different types of English-subtitled anime?
* what are the streaming ad markets like in Brazil and in major Spanish markets for streaming English-subtitled anime?
* what are the attitudes of DVD distributors, if any, in Portuguese language and Spanish language markets?
* what are the attitudes of manga publishers, if any, in Portuguese language and Spanish language markets?
* and what is the attitude of the production committee, "stream unless reason not to", versus "stream if reason to do so"

With only one or two moving parts, its is often possible to work out what is going on behind the scenes from the results alone. But, when there are so many moving parts, its hard to work out what is going on behind the scenes until an insider lets some information slip out.


theskyflame wrote: That's something I wouldn't get since beel is the top 2 most anticipated anime of the season so it doesn't make sence tto limit regions that have a lot of users from but most likely they will try to expand regions.


See "stream unless reason not to", versus "stream if reason to do so" above ... I think that "stream unless clear reason not to" is the wisest long term strategy, but clearly there are lots of production committees that do not agree with me.


What a great analysis!! I am totally agree with you!! Sounds more like a Manga related issue rather than an Anime streaming topic. Maybe, the next step for that theory would be to review some cases based on that criteria and check whether they apply and on which cases there was an exception.

Thank you very much for your post!!
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Hmm might try Beelzebub but get Infinite Stratos and Is this a Zombie? anime at least and you got my subscription this winter 2011.
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Pure Win!!!

Beelzebub was the show I was anticipating the most!

And, I figured CR would get, but I thought Viz might come through at the last minute and snatch it up.

Really happy CR is getting it, and it's getting the treatment it deserves with smexy 720p streams!

Can't wait for this one, so glad I got another year of All-Access!

At first I wasn't even gonna check out Rio, sounded horrible from the early descriptions.

But, after seeing the trailer, I see that it will actually have a decent plot/storyline.

So I'm excited about both of these, this season may not turn out to be so bad afterall :/

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Excellent im looking forward to watch, Also its funny that Rio has the wrong year date to be release and that it suppose to be 2011 not 2001
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Hmm might try Beelzebub but get Infinite Stratos and Is this a Zombie? anime at least and you got my subscription this winter 2011.

Would you settle for 1 out of 2?

Is This a Zombie? is expected to be one of the CR simulcasts, but unfortunately, Infinite Stratos is a TBS series, and none of those have had a simulcast for the past 2 years.

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darkpollo wrote:

Copy of previous post ~ set as spoiler to avoid wall of words effect:

What a great analysis!! I am totally agree with you!! Sounds more like a Manga related issue rather than an Anime streaming topic. Maybe, the next step for that theory would be to review some cases based on that criteria and check whether they apply and on which cases there was an exception.

Thank you very much for your post!!


Lessee, googling for "Anime News Network Crunchyroll Brazil" to try to find announcements that specify Brazil ...

By publisher:
* Mitsudomoe and Occult Academy are published by Aniplex
* Otome Yokai Zakuro was published by rights management firm ADK
* Tono to Issho and Beelzebub are published by YTV

By manga vs original
* Mitsudomoe is from a manga published by Akita Shoten, licensed internationally in France and Taiwan.
* Otome Yokai Zakuro (which I think was a serious miss) is from a manga published by Gentosha, only licensed internationally in Taiwan
* Tono to Issho (the gag short) is from a manga published by Media Factory, with no international licensing listed at ANN
* Beelzebub is from a manga serialized in Shonen Jump (Shueisha), only licensed internationally in Taiwan

*Occult Academy was an original

The other series published by YTV was Nogizaka Haruka no Himitsu, which only streamed to the main English language markets, North America, UK, Australia and New Zealand ~ not even Ireland ~ and was the first series that YTV published on Crunchyroll.

So looking at it closer, it seems like its a case of YTV having to be convinced to extend the stream to the rest of the "Northern Europe" block and to Portugal and Brazil, but for some reason YTV was not willing to include Spanish America. Perhaps they are hoping for Animax South America to pick it up (even though Animax South America now shows very little anime).

So it seems to be the maximum that Crunchyroll has been able to talk YTV into, with Singapore and Malaysia thrown in for Tono to Issho since it did not even attract a Taiwanese license for the 4-koma gag manga.
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Woot Beezlebub I'm so going to keep my subscription.

I was thinking about watching the other one, but I'm still not so sure... We'll see.
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tabs05 wrote:

Hmm might try Beelzebub but get Infinite Stratos and Is this a Zombie? anime at least and you got my subscription this winter 2011.

Would you settle for 1 out of 2?

Is This a Zombie? is expected to be one of the CR simulcasts, but unfortunately, Infinite Stratos is a TBS series, and none of those have had a simulcast for the past 2 years.



That's kinda tough to decide since I was excited for I.S. when I got an email from CR a week ago or so that it might potentially be picked. Well I'll have to see what's the rest of the line up for the winter 2011 as long as I get at least 2 that I'm interested in then I'm sold since I plan to get the 1 year subscription and don't like renewing every month.
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Both of them look great
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