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Its useless people that are the problem, too many useless people who won't get a job, or become nasty criminals.Why bother reforming people. I think why not take them up a couple miles high and drop them out of an aeroplane, give them all parachutes but only some will work.You could also have death lottery, there are lots of very unhappy people in this world, why not say hey instead of trying to kill yourself
and fail, book a ticket on the death plane. If you live you win the lottery and that should make you happy.
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kissXkissfallinlove wrote:


munchthis wrote:

when ever I hear about the population of people I always think of a zombie apocalypse first. anyways conservation isn't something people normally think about on a daily basis.


ahah yes same! i actually think a zombie apocolypse would be fun! (call me stupid if you wish.. but im the kind of person that doesnt minds a bit of war fare ie.. paintball ^^")


actually when I wrote that comment, I just came back from a hardware store where I was checking out some axes hammers and saw blades, really wanted some axes had the money to get them but wasn't there to buy it. anyways a zombie apocalypse sounds like fun but when you got to rekill family members or can't trust anyone you meet up with its just sad and lonely. ok now back to the original topic, people would rather have their own piece of the world than share it. if people don't really try to cut back on certain things, trash pollution and disease will definitely start increasing along with the population.
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The section about the megacities really interested me.

>10 million? Thats a lot. I think New York has around 24 million.
There are cities in China(new or old) that now have over 10 million and a couple over 30 million(for example Chong Qing).

Rural life will soon be gone with the wind.



Posted 1/8/11

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The section about the megacities really interested me.

>10 million? Thats a lot. I think New York has around 24 million.
There are cities in China(new or old) that now have over 10 million and a couple over 30 million(for example Chong Qing).

Rural life will soon be gone with the wind.





although life in the country side holds better chance of surviving over population.... and we also need farmers and such to be able to produce crops and meat! the futures looking quite bleak..
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don't worry the water we drink will make men and women sterile (just keep doing drugs and pissing them out)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336286,00.html

raising the death ratio is not the only way to stop the overpopulation of humans there is also lower the life ratio tht is being born


That article is scary.

Do you realize that fluoridation of water is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?
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everyone go eat mcdonalds and kill yourselves
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My first and only facebook account, fake silly name, I made so i could talk to someone without a phone let me know really fast that I have a problem with a "people you might know" list being phenomenally longer than my general idea on how many people that you really might even want to have around you or even everyone I care to remember seeing at all, ever.

Definitely too many humans on the planet for my liking. Never think about it, reminds me of Haruhi though.

Also, just a bit on the farmers thing. As far as issues for developed countries, I don't think any new farmers will be showing up either at all or just staying around for very long. I am under the impression that to control the prices of relateable products, as to not destroy their market value, there are quotas set to protect that interest. So, I doubt that there's actually that much of a concern as to how much production can be done but instead how profitable it is to sell loaves of pre sliced extra thin bread for much less than a dollar or so at minimum (guessing, cheapest here is $.88)
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People having been asking why I haven't settled down and had kids for nearly 15 years now. I've started summing up all the complicated issues by simply saying.

"I'm an environmentalist"
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kissXkissfallinlove wrote:


reita187 wrote:

The section about the megacities really interested me.

>10 million? Thats a lot. I think New York has around 24 million.
There are cities in China(new or old) that now have over 10 million and a couple over 30 million(for example Chong Qing).

Rural life will soon be gone with the wind.





although life in the country side holds better chance of surviving over population.... and we also need farmers and such to be able to produce crops and meat! the futures looking quite bleak..


Thanks for posting something intelligent on the forum.
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munchthis wrote:


kissXkissfallinlove wrote:


munchthis wrote:

when ever I hear about the population of people I always think of a zombie apocalypse first. anyways conservation isn't something people normally think about on a daily basis.


ahah yes same! i actually think a zombie apocolypse would be fun! (call me stupid if you wish.. but im the kind of person that doesnt minds a bit of war fare ie.. paintball ^^")


actually when I wrote that comment, I just came back from a hardware store where I was checking out some axes hammers and saw blades, really wanted some axes had the money to get them but wasn't there to buy it. anyways a zombie apocalypse sounds like fun but when you got to rekill family members or can't trust anyone you meet up with its just sad and lonely. ok now back to the original topic, people would rather have their own piece of the world than share it. if people don't really try to cut back on certain things, trash pollution and disease will definitely start increasing along with the population.


Re-kill? Why did you kill your family members in the first place?
Just kidding.
I'm either going to kill myself in the zombie apocalypse because I wouldn't be able to survive, or become a nurse so that there's value in keeping me around. Good thing I don't actually believe a zombie apocalypse is going to happen.
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geez I make one small comment on a zombie apocalypse and now people are getting off the topic. well I don't really mind but I think its best to keep to the original topic. oh yeah and a nurse is always nice to have around.
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Nature, ultimately, will level out human populations. It has many, many tools at its disposal to do so, such as plague, a decline in resources such as clean water, land available for cultivation and grazing, or the leveling might be done from decisions made within the human population itself: a greater reliance on birth control, better educating its women (women with an education are less likely to have large numbers of childred), abortion (It becomes a more attractive option when resources and other birth control options are equally scarce) or in more extreme cases, letting people die of illnesses that once might have been controlled over a lifetime with expensive medications. This last one is something I see happening in the next fifty years. As the cost of medicine continues to climb, the sick will be evaluated and those whose care would be costly and long lasting, with no hope of recovering, will simply be allowed to die (unless, of course, the paitient is wealthy and can afford expensive treatment), as society will not have the cash to take care these sorts of things.

We are breeding too quickly as a species to provide for our numbers in a way that will keep the population healthy and we are getting rid of the natural controls that kept our numbers in check. So, logically, if we do not reduce our numbers to a level that is sustainable (and do so collectively), we will meet with the same fate that befalls any animal or plant population that exhausts the resources available to it: population decline via starvation or reduced fertility. At the moment, space travel is not an option, nor is colonization of some suitable planet. We don't have the technology to do so and since we don't want to pay taxes to develop the technology, we're stuck here for now. So escape is not an option, for us or for any of the other poor species who are stuck here on this rock with us and who are forced to deal with our ever-growing growing numbers. The population crash is coming, it's just a matter of when, not it. Whether it is fast, or slow will depend entirely on whether or not we choose to use our brains for something other than playing video games, eating ourselves into oblivion, discovering new and inventive ways to kill each other and creating more children we won't be able to feed.


Interesting and intelligent.

The medication thing is very sad and not something I had really thought about. I might end up being fucked...

There are idealistic responses to overpopulation - like excellent education, including education on conservation, pollution, sex, birth control, population, resources, recycling, and green technology, as well as just GENERAL higher quality, easier access, free education everywhere in the world.
And then there's what will probably happen - which is the last minute drastic measures like a large number of countries adopting one or two child laws, increased abortions, mandatory birth control, etc.

Something I've thought about - is the possibility of the amount of people being sentenced to death instead of life in prison going up, and then countries making sure their death penalty is quicker and more efficient. For example, in America, people have died while waiting on death row, on the other hand in Japan, people are executed within 6 months of the death order being signed by the prime minister (correct me if I'm wrong on those details). Also, abolishing mandatory minimum sentences, and legalizing drugs would result in fewer people being supported by the prison system, less of a burden on society's resources. Not sure how realistic this is, though. (I'm not necessarily saying I'm for any of this either).
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Thank you... I try for intelligent discourse in most things. As far as people dying from lack of medication, it is happening already in poor countries. In the U.S., the deahs will be drawn out, because people are already cutting back on necessary medications because of cost. Folks in the U.S. pay very large sums of money for their medications, especially if there are no generic equivalents available. I'm a Type 1 diabetic and as such, I'm forces to take many shots of insulin a day to compensate for the lack of insulin-producing cells in my pancreas. My immune system mistakenly killed them off when I was a child, so to stay alive, I need to inject of pump insulin. Without it, I will lapse into a coma and will die within three weeks. That's just the way it is. Interestingly, there is no generic version of insulin out there - it's all brand name and very expensive if you don't have insurance coverage, and you can't buy it over the counter, even though insulin itself has been around for over 80 years and the patents on it would have expired if it had been a pill. Because it is a biologic injectable medication (a replacement hormone, really), the FDA has extended the patents on it for years. It is a nice cash cow for the pharmaceutical companies and a very expensive medication to be on. Since I don't have a choice, I have to take it (well, i could stop taking it, but I would die as a result, so it isn't much of a choice). In the case of a natural disaster, if I can't get to my medication or if society crashes and the company making the medicine can no longer make it, I'm simply dead. I will survive for as long as my back-up sully lasts, and not much beyond that. My illness isn't something I can heal from, like a broken leg or a cut, or even an infection. The problem is with my genes and my faulty immune system and right now, there is no way to fix those things.

Now, in nature, animals like myself would die young, would not live to breed and there would be no intervention. I would not contribute to the over-population problem. But since I'm human, and because we have medications to keep me alive (though not cure me, but that's a separate rant), I can continue to live as long as I can afford to pay for my medicine, or have insurance that will pay for it, as long as the medication exists. Right now, we have the resources to do so. But as the human population grows ever larger, as we add more and more people and extend the life spans of the older members of our species, we will start running out of the raw materials we need to keep society going: fuel, land to grow food, clean water, minerals and metals to build with... if a commodity is scarce, it becomes very expensive and fewer people will be able to afford to have access to these things. Without access to these things, a given population will become stressed and will either self-correct and lower its numbers or the correction will be forced upon it via disease or starvation (a population stressed out or in poor health will be more prone to contracting communicable illnesses). In such scenarios, the first people to die will be the weakest, the ill, the old, the very young and the disabled. There is something in our wiring as a species that tells us, as part of a troupe (since we are primates), when to cut our losses and stop taking care of our weak members if their presence will weaken the overall group. Individuals will care for those they are related to or have a close relationship with, but history is rife with examples of the sick being isolated from the healthy main whole to prevent the larger group from perishing as a result of contact, whether the illness is contagious or not. I feel pretty confident saying that the end may come, at least for some of us, when our overburdened society runs out of the goodwill and the resources to keep its weakest members alive.
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It sounds like you've thought this out pretty well. It makes me very sad to think about it. With pharmaceutical companies in control, most diseases and conditions will never be cured, since it doesn't make as much money for them as lifetime medications, and that means that over the course of the next few decades - a lot of people will die. I have no idea what exactly occurs when my condition goes untreated during relapse, whether it would kill me or not - but I know that I would be enough of a burden to leave behind.

I don't mind me dying, but the thought of children being left to die is completely devastating to me. Assuming it doesn't happen in the next 10 years, my own child will be old enough to take care of himself in a lot of situations, but that won't be true for everyone.

It's sad, because the ability to cure so many diseases and conditions is at our hands or very reachable, but even if more funding went into the research, pharmaceutical companies would have to be suppressed. When I think of one of the greatest evils in the world, I think of the unchecked power of the pharmaceutical industry, and how at all they can be allowed to go on like that. Really, I don't understand why the government hasn't passed any laws that stop things like this from happening: Gas companies being banned from buying out cars that make 60 - 100 miles per gallon, stopping the buying out of science, researce, technology, and the advancement of society. GRR
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