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Fractal Production Committe Halts Funimation Simulcast
Posted 1/20/11

tenebrusmke79 wrote:

At least the French can still watch the series, FPC is allowing the French to simulcast the Fractale series, while they make Funimation do the work of getting rid of the English-subbed illegal rips.

Here's what I mean: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-01-20/fractale-french-simulcast-still-continues

Already, there are some people who are very angry with FPC, but this is ridiculous. I would say that Funimation should publicly announce that they will not license Fractale or continue the simulcast even if they somehow get the illegal videos to be removed. I would also hope that an English-speaking licensing company not do any business with FPC because of this.

The Fractale Production Committee is pretty much committing career suicide with their impossible demand that Funimation go after the pirates.


Thanks for the info, and with that info... It feels like the FPC are being bias to North American viewers. This actually pisses me off more, why are they forcing just FUNImation to get rid of all illegal copies? Why are the French able to watch it and North Americans aren't? This is bias treatment. If they want all illegal copies gone, then they should be doing the same to France. Before someone misinterprets this, I'm not saying this "solution" should be used. I believe we should be able to watch the simulcast, and get rid of the illegal copies at the same time.
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Posted 1/20/11
its would be difficult to do that..but let's just see if its impossible too...
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Posted 1/20/11

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tenebrusmke79 wrote:

At least the French can still watch the series, FPC is allowing the French to simulcast the Fractale series, while they make Funimation do the work of getting rid of the English-subbed illegal rips.

Here's what I mean: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-01-20/fractale-french-simulcast-still-continues

Already, there are some people who are very angry with FPC, but this is ridiculous. I would say that Funimation should publicly announce that they will not license Fractale or continue the simulcast even if they somehow get the illegal videos to be removed. I would also hope that an English-speaking licensing company not do any business with FPC because of this.

The Fractale Production Committee is pretty much committing career suicide with their impossible demand that Funimation go after the pirates.


Thanks for the info, and with that info... It feels like the FPC are being bias to North American viewers. This actually pisses me off more, why are they forcing just FUNImation to get rid of all illegal copies? Why are the French able to watch it and North Americans aren't? This is bias treatment. If they want all illegal copies gone, then they should be doing the same to France. Before someone misinterprets this, I'm not saying this "solution" should be used. I believe we should be able to watch the simulcast, and get rid of the illegal copies at the same time.


Yeah, screw France. I can't stand those guys.
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Posted 1/20/11

AsuraCryin wrote:

Honestly, it's forcing the legal stream watchers to resort to illegal means. This is complete bullshit, it will take a while to get rid of ALL the illegal copies. I don't see how they plan to get rid of all the illegal copies. Asking fansubbers or pirates (piraters?) simply won't work unless they respect the industry.


Well if they are able to be successful, this could be the begining of the end of Crunchyroll at as we know it now. If the producers and licensees start winning the battle against fansubbers, than it just sets it up for them to start demanding more money, and that is not good news for the growth of popularity in North America. I hope other companies don't start following suit with this.
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well it's not going to stop fan-subbers anytime soon, they are all over the place, hell for old times sakes i looked it up and this sereis is being subbed in Chinese, French, Latin, Arabic etc. I would really like to know how Funimtaion is suppose to stop it in other countires EPICALLY China since they don't give two S^*&* about copyright laws. The studio behind this has to be the most stupid that I have ever seen, "oh well lets stop the only legal means for the show in the states/Canada, that will slow it down" Most fansubbers get tv rips not web rips. Something that makes me laugh even more is sights like megaupload, rapidshare, mediafire and other DDL sites are hard to track and there only needs to be one copy to spread it around Indefinitely. There will always be fansubs as long as their is demand for them bahh i am talking in circles now lol
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Posted 1/21/11

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Well if they are able to be successful, this could be the begining of the end of Crunchyroll at as we know it now. If the producers and licensees start winning the battle against fansubbers, than it just sets it up for them to start demanding more money, and that is not good news for the growth of popularity in North America. I hope other companies don't start following suit with this.

Stamping out all fansubs is as likely to happen as killing all roaches. As such, unless the production committee is satisfied with a "good effort", I don't see Fractale returning to Funimation.

My main worry is that some other production committee will think this is a good idea, and pull the same stunt with a show on Crunchryoll. While Funimation may speak politely in public (as they may have to deal with some of these same companies again in the future for DVD licenses) simulcasts are not that important to them, much less the core of their business.

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Interesting bit of news, Lance Heiskell wrote a statement on the Funimation Blog on what really goes into getting streaming rights, international distro rights, DVD/BD rights and the negative effects that pirate download/streaming sites bring to the global anime industry.

Here's the link to the statement: http://blog.funimation.com/2011/01/anime-simulcasts-territory-rights-and-the-future/

I applaud Lance for making such a statement. It should really open the eyes of people who engage in illegal acts like stealing the videos from a legitimate source (namely HorribleSubs).
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Posted 1/22/11

tenebrusmke79 wrote:

Interesting bit of news, Lance Heiskell wrote a statement on the Funimation Blog on what really goes into getting streaming rights, international distro rights, DVD/BD rights and the negative effects that pirate download/streaming sites bring to the global anime industry.

Here's the link to the statement: http://blog.funimation.com/2011/01/anime-simulcasts-territory-rights-and-the-future/

I applaud Lance for making such a statement. It should really open the eyes of people who engage in illegal acts like stealing the videos from a legitimate source (namely HorribleSubs).


He seems quite baffled that people are mad at the production committee instead of the fansubbers.

But as far as the bulk of the community is concerned FPC is indeed the villain here. They are the ones who cut of the legitimate source of the series, while the Fansubbers are now viewed as the white hat wearing Robin Hoods giving the people what they want.

While I do understand why these Territory rights exists, I do not agree with them.

I find it utterly stupid that I cannot buy a DVD of Dr. Who in England and take it back to Canada to watch on my DVD player there. I have received many DVDs from relatives in England as presents over the years and I keep having to call them up and explain I simply can't watch the things.

Like it or not, technology is "shrinking" the world to a point where national boundaries matter less and less and the global market needs to change to reflect that.

Where a legal option is available I will always choose the legal option.
but I will not restrain myself if you take the legal option away from me.

The current system of Territorial Copyrights is outdated and needs to be revised for a global marketplace.

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Posted 1/22/11
I will not watch a series if there is no way for me to watch it. I will drop a series if there's no legal way for me to watch it. It's why I dropped Fractale. I just don't want to use the fansub way because it's too much of a hassle anyway.
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Posted 1/22/11

tenebrusmke79 wrote:

I will not watch a series if there is no way for me to watch it. I will drop a series if there's no legal way for me to watch it. It's why I dropped Fractale. I just don't want to use the fansub way because it's too much of a hassle anyway.


I can respect that and to a certain extent I agree with it.

but I think companies need to re-evaluate the way they operate. The world has changed and they need to change along with it.

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He seems quite baffled that people are mad at the production committee instead of the fansubbers.

But as far as the bulk of the community is concerned FPC is indeed the villain here. They are the ones who cut of the legitimate source of the series, while the Fansubbers are now viewed as the white hat wearing Robin Hoods giving the people what they want.

While I do understand why these Territory rights exists, I do not agree with them.

I find it utterly stupid that I cannot buy a DVD of Dr. Who in England and take it back to Canada to watch on my DVD player there. I have received many DVDs from relatives in England as presents over the years and I keep having to call them up and explain I simply can't watch the things.

Like it or not, technology is "shrinking" the world to a point where national boundaries matter less and less and the global market needs to change to reflect that.

Where a legal option is available I will always choose the legal option.
but I will not restrain myself if you take the legal option away from me.

The current system of Territorial Copyrights is outdated and needs to be revised for a global marketplace.


The entire region encoding setup is all about protecting the ability to charge more in some markets than others. For better or worse, with Bluray, Japan and the United States find themselves in the same region. The good news is this means one can import Japanese BD media and play them with no problem.

The downside is that Japan and the U.S. sharing the same BD region code means Japanese can import less expensive U.S. anime BD media and play them with no problem. This is the reason for some anime BD releases apparently being dub only. So as you can see, there is also a dark side to lifting the barrier of region restrictions, since the rights holders will find other methods of "restricting" content.

As to territorial licensing, unfortunately, I don't see this going away anytime soon. Most media companies are region-specific, and while some may be multi-region, I doubt there is a single major media company that is truly international. Until the internet (the only true international distribution system) becomes the most important means of distributing media, the old guard of territorial licensing will persist.


More on topic, I still think the reason Funimation is focusing on putting the blame on fansubs in their public statements is because they must. Funimation's primary business is licensing product from Japanese companies to resell to the the North American market, so it would not be good business to criticize companies they will have to deal with again in the future, even if that criticism were valid. I still suspect that within the walls of Funimation, there was some impolite language regarding the FPC.
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As to territorial licensing, unfortunately, I don't see this going away anytime soon. Most media companies are region-specific, and while some may be multi-region, I doubt there is a single major media company that is truly international. Until the internet (the only true international distribution system) becomes the most important means of distributing media, the old guard of territorial licensing will persist.



This I think is the key. Personally I have no doubt that the Internet will indeed become just that. That companies will be competing not simply with companies inside their own nation but with others around the world. They already are to both lesser and greater degrees.

the sooner companies recognize the reality of this changing environment the better off they will be.

An example I can think of involves the Games Workshop online stores and their Warhammer miniature wargaming line. A few years ago they released a new edition of the rules. The US online store had a big sale offering up the new rules with a significant discount, the Canadian one did not.

Everyone ordered from the US online store and the Canadian one suffered a massive loss. They simply did not take into account that people could just ignore the border between the two countries and buy elsewhere with the click of a mouse button.

The realities of the Internet are simply that people are not restricted by borders anymore. If it is out there, they can get it, from an online store in another country, from ebay, or simply by asking an online friend to buy it for them and send it by mail.

Better to accept that reality and develop a means to make things available legally on a global scale that loose more and more potential revenue to people getting things by other means.

Given a choice I know that myself and most others will get things legally.
Take away that choice and the majority of us will still get them.
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I am stressing the need for companies to change because it is only going to get worse if they don't.

Have you heard of 3D printers. At present they are very expensive and pretty much only companies can afford them but the technology improves and becomes more affordable. It is possible to buy a home 3D printer already though the quality isn't very good. A top of the Line model can even print in multiple materials. I am given to understand the US military even has some that they use to print small metal components for repairing tanks and such.

In an interview I saw, the guy was talking about how you could use one of these things to print your kid's shoes. When he out grew them you just shred the shoes, feed them back into the machine with a little extra material and print a new larger pair of shoes.

Companies think things are bad now with music, movies and TV being passed around the internet. What happens when the technology reaches a point where I can torrent the plans for a brand new PS6 and print it in my house.

The world is changing faster than anyone realizes and very soon the only property of any value will be intellectual property. If companies fail to recognize this in time it will be a disaster.


Edit: Google "Urbee" if you think I'm kidding.
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Posted 1/22/11
bato1 over on the Funimation forum pointed out something interesting on Hulu:



Could it be that common sense prevailed among the FPC?
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Posted 1/22/11

TheAncientOne wrote:

bato1 over on the Funimation forum pointed out something interesting on Hulu:



Could it be that common sense prevailed among the FPC?


As I said on the Funimation forums, it may be legit, but to wait until Monday to be sure that that would happen. It could happen, but we don't really know for sure. Let's hope, even though I am dropping the series anyway.
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