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Fractal Production Committe Halts Funimation Simulcast
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Posted 1/22/11

TheAncientOne wrote:

bato1 over on the Funimation forum pointed out something interesting on Hulu:



Could it be that common sense prevailed among the FPC?


one can hope. I really would rather watch a legal version but I don't have the same restraint as you guys do.

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Posted 1/22/11

TheAncientOne wrote:

bato1 over on the Funimation forum pointed out something interesting on Hulu:


Yeah, there's this "agila61" fellow who mentioned at ANN that he'd seen that. Don't know that I'd trust someone with such a silly name.

Seriously, since Hulu is not 100% reliable in their posting date notices, no way to tell until Monday rolls around, but here's hoping.
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Posted 1/23/11 , edited 1/23/11

TheAncientOne wrote:

bato1 over on the Funimation forum pointed out something interesting on Hulu:



Could it be that common sense prevailed among the FPC?


It's on hulu?! Never noticed that. Anyway, we just have to wait on Monday and see what happens.
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Funimation has the go-ahead to stream episode 2 and will resume the simulcast on Thursdays. They were able to get the impossible done, and FPC has allowed them to continue.

Source: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-01-24/funimation/fractale-simulcast-returns-on-monday

AncientOne, please update with this new information.
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tenebrusmke79 wrote:

Funimation has the go-ahead to stream episode 2 and will resume the simulcast on Thursdays. They were able to get the impossible done, and FPC has allowed them to continue.

Source: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-01-24/funimation/fractale-simulcast-returns-on-monday

AncientOne, please update with this new information.

Dang, beat me to it again!

I just saw the news on ANN and logged on here to correct an earlier post.

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Posted 1/24/11

TheAncientOne wrote:


tenebrusmke79 wrote:

Funimation has the go-ahead to stream episode 2 and will resume the simulcast on Thursdays. They were able to get the impossible done, and FPC has allowed them to continue.

Source: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-01-24/funimation/fractale-simulcast-returns-on-monday

AncientOne, please update with this new information.

Dang, beat me to it again!

I just saw the news on ANN and logged on here to correct an earlier post.

It's not really a race. Anyway, I am glad that things were worked out by the two companies. Hopefully no more issues arise from this situation.

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Posted 1/24/11 , edited 1/24/11

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Well if they are able to be successful, this could be the begining of the end of Crunchyroll at as we know it now. If the producers and licensees start winning the battle against fansubbers, than it just sets it up for them to start demanding more money, and that is not good news for the growth of popularity in North America. I hope other companies don't start following suit with this.

Stamping out all fansubs is as likely to happen as killing all roaches. As such, unless the production committee is satisfied with a "good effort", I don't see Fractale returning to Funimation.

My main worry is that some other production committee will think this is a good idea, and pull the same stunt with a show on Crunchryoll. While Funimation may speak politely in public (as they may have to deal with some of these same companies again in the future for DVD licenses) simulcasts are not that important to them, much less the core of their business.




tenebrusmke79 wrote:

Interesting bit of news, Lance Heiskell wrote a statement on the Funimation Blog on what really goes into getting streaming rights, international distro rights, DVD/BD rights and the negative effects that pirate download/streaming sites bring to the global anime industry.

Here's the link to the statement: http://blog.funimation.com/2011/01/anime-simulcasts-territory-rights-and-the-future/

I applaud Lance for making such a statement. It should really open the eyes of people who engage in illegal acts like stealing the videos from a legitimate source (namely HorribleSubs).


It seems to me the main issue here is that the viewing audience, CR, and even the licensees for the most part accept the fact that Fansub groups exist and are probably not going away for any forseeable time, eventhough they don't particularly like it and are just trying to make the best they can out of the situation. I don't think the FPC has come to the same conclusions and point of view, or is willing to do so. Hopefully they can be convinced. Hopefully, the fact that they have now allowed the simulcast shows that have been by Funimation, since this is an issue they are thoroughly educated in.
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well it's not going to stop fan-subbers anytime soon, they are all over the place, hell for old times sakes i looked it up and this sereis is being subbed in Chinese, French, Latin, Arabic etc. I would really like to know how Funimtaion is suppose to stop it in other countires EPICALLY China since they don't give two S^*&* about copyright laws. The studio behind this has to be the most stupid that I have ever seen, "oh well lets stop the only legal means for the show in the states/Canada, that will slow it down" Most fansubbers get tv rips not web rips. Something that makes me laugh even more is sights like megaupload, rapidshare, mediafire and other DDL sites are hard to track and there only needs to be one copy to spread it around Indefinitely. There will always be fansubs as long as their is demand for them bahh i am talking in circles now lol



It's a war, and the producers have the law on their side. I don't think it's a completely winable war, but with advances in technology, there may be ways to make things very difficult for fan subbers in the near future.
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tenebrusmke79 wrote:

At least the French can still watch the series, FPC is allowing the French to simulcast the Fractale series, while they make Funimation do the work of getting rid of the English-subbed illegal rips.

Here's what I mean: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-01-20/fractale-french-simulcast-still-continues

Already, there are some people who are very angry with FPC, but this is ridiculous. I would say that Funimation should publicly announce that they will not license Fractale or continue the simulcast even if they somehow get the illegal videos to be removed. I would also hope that an English-speaking licensing company not do any business with FPC because of this.

The Fractale Production Committee is pretty much committing career suicide with their impossible demand that Funimation go after the pirates.


Thanks for the info, and with that info... It feels like the FPC are being bias to North American viewers. This actually pisses me off more, why are they forcing just FUNImation to get rid of all illegal copies? Why are the French able to watch it and North Americans aren't? This is bias treatment. If they want all illegal copies gone, then they should be doing the same to France. Before someone misinterprets this, I'm not saying this "solution" should be used. I believe we should be able to watch the simulcast, and get rid of the illegal copies at the same time.


The reason France got to keep the stream and we didn't is because France already has extremely strict anti-piracy laws and a handful of agencies to do the pirate-hunting.
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as i have said before good luck trying to get people in the middle east, china, Switzerland etc countries that don't enforce the laws then well there is nothing they can do. It seems that funimation is doing something about one pirates though "lol pirating a pirate anime"
http://www.animenation.net/blog/2011/01/25/funimation-to-sue-one-piece-downloaders/
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as i have said before good luck trying to get people in the middle east, china, Switzerland etc countries that don't enforce the laws then well there is nothing they can do. It seems that funimation is doing something about one pirates though "lol pirating a pirate anime"
http://www.animenation.net/blog/2011/01/25/funimation-to-sue-one-piece-downloaders/

I have to wonder if they actually had a list of some other number (i.e., 1342), and someone suggested dropping a few off to make it 1337 (i.e. "leet").

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Posted 1/26/11 , edited 1/26/11

Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote: as i have said before good luck trying to get people in the middle east, china, Switzerland etc countries that don't enforce the laws then well there is nothing they can do. It seems that funimation is doing something about one pirates though "lol pirating a pirate anime"
You got to defend your tent-pole titles someway ~ even though its impossible to completely eliminate online bootlegging, its possible to "weed the garden" to a certain extent to allow the legit streaming more room to grow.

Note that they did not sue the torrent users for downloading, they sued them for seeding ... for redistributing the work. If all of the "elites" avoid seeding to avoid legal risk, that bogs down the torrent downloads. If they all avoid the high profile torrent seed link sites to use lower profile ones, then Funimation's legal streams gain a higher position in search engine indexes.

Some of the excuses given at ANN were predictable, but some were extreme mental gymnastics.

This was

~ violating consumer's right to sample products before buying them (which Amendment that one is, I don't know, but since its a Mexican user, I guess he has a different Bill of Rights) ~

~ American imperialism trying to impose US law on foreign countries ... even though the people in legal risk will be those who distributed in the US or Canada, where Funimation is the licensee, and even though the Berne Convention was originally created in Europe for European countries, with the US only joining in the 1980's ~

~ a reaction to the fact that 480p streams are such a massive drop in quality compared to 720p ... even though nobody could verify the maximum resolution of the One Piece stream at the $8/month HuluPlus service, so obviously nobody making the excuse had seriously tried to get it at higher resolution ~

... and a dozen other excuses, ranging from clever to incomprehensible.


TheAncientOne wrote: I have to wonder if they actually had a list of some other number (i.e., 1342), and someone suggested dropping a few off to make it 1337 (i.e. "leet").
I would not be surprised if someone suggested that they aim for 1337 from the beginning.


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well here is one you probably don't hear that often i do pirate some anime like one piece because of the low quality but i also do it because of the fact I don't have room for 40 plus box sets for one series, i do need some room for like my clothes and other things lol. but if funimation where to step up there game and offer digital download to own for all of their series in subs/dubs then it wouldn't be that much of problem. yeah i know these are excuses but i do feel strongly about them. The funny thing they are not going to be able to stop people that DDL "direct down load" from media fire, rapid share or mega upload since you can use a proxy to hide you IP when you chose to. with that aside I am still wanting to see where funimation takes this
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Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote: well here is one you probably don't hear that often i do pirate some anime like one piece because of the low quality but i also do it because of the fact I don't have room for 40 plus box sets for one series, i do need some room for like my clothes and other things lol. but if funimation where to step up there game and offer digital download to own for all of their series in subs/dubs then it wouldn't be that much of problem.
They do offer a bucketload of DLTO ~ not OnePiece, though.

I don't see any problem with Crunchyroll's or Hulu's 480p streams ~ even YouTube's limited bitrate 480p looks OK to me on my 13" TV connected to my Roku in the bedroom ~ but different people have different size TV's and many people sit closer to large computer monitors than is probably good for them.

So for me, I only buy what I want to keep, and stream what I only want to watch.

But I assume that OnePiece is at least produced in 540p (at least the current episodes), so it would be an upgrade in quality if they can either master 720p uploads for HuluPlus (which, as a subscription service, can stream 720p), or can finally have a peace treaty with Crunchyroll including a 720p stream of OnePiece to Crunchyroll subscribers.

As I've long noted, Crunchyroll could embed a Hulu feed for US ad-streaming, and still receive a share of revenue on those streams as well.
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