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Canadian Members Beware of LOW Internet Bandwidth Caps
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Due to a recent ruling by the CRTC Canadians now have extremely limited bandwidth caps, which makes video streaming next to impossible. In Ontario the bandwidth cap is now set at 25gb per month, in Quebec the cap is now set at 60 gb per month. I'm not quite sure what the rates will be in the other provinces, but I'm assuming they will be closer to the 25 gb limit due to less major competition.
This link is the full decision (full of legalese) http://crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2011/2011-44.htm
This site explains everything in common english (biased against the ruling of course) http://openmedia.ca/
The rates for going over this specified usage cap are varying, but are in the neighbourhood of $1.75-2.50/gb.



I previously posted this in the premium forum but figured everyone should know about this. Also cross-posted on the MyAnimeList Forums http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=282686 and r/anime http://redd.it/faye2


News Articles about Usage Based Billing
Globe and Mail Articles (there is an Editorial posted as well)
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/tech-news/crtc-issues-small-isps-discount-on-usage-based-billing-fees/article1882339/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/a-metered-internet-is-a-regulatory-failure/article1881250/ (editorial)
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/digital-culture/globe-on-technology/crtc-ruling-handcuffs-competitive-market-teksavvy/article1778211/

CBC
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2011/01/25/tech-crtc-bandwidth.html
http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2011/01/20/consumer-internet-ndp.html
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2010/10/28/crtc-usage-based-billing-internet.html (early article from when this first started as an issue)


Financial Post
http://business.financialpost.com/2011/01/25/crtc-gives-small-isps-a-break-on-usage-based-billing/

Reuters (there is incorrect information and a misquote of Rocky Gaudrault from Teksavvy Solutions in this article)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/25/canada-internet-idUSN2525466020110125

Montréal Gazette
http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/CRTC+sets+usage+based+billing+rates+small+ISPs/4166230/story.html

Vancouver Sun
http://communities.canada.com/vancouversun/blogs/techsense/archive/2011/01/25/consumer-backlash-over-usage-based-internet-billing-goes-viral.aspx

CTV Southwestern Ontario
http://swo.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110127/crtc-internet-ruling-billing-caps-110127/20110127/?hub=SWOHome

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Fixed that double posting of yours. Sounds pretty awful, why did this even happen?
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F**K i live in Ontario!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh noes! I live in Ontario! But according to Rogers, I still have my 60GB limit =/
Probably take into affect next month...
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Fuck! I live in Ontario too!
One question, WHYYYY?!

Is this the reason why effing rogers keeps charging me more every time I stream drama? O_o
"I'm sorry! you have gone over your 60GBs" I freaking hate that message >:[
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Kippu wrote:

Fuck! I live in Ontario too!
One question, WHYYYY?!

Is this the reason why effing rogers keeps charging me more every time I stream drama? O_o
"I'm sorry! you have gone over your 60GBs" I freaking hate that message >:[


This is why it's best to live between the borders of the US and Canada. That way if something happens you can cross the border. But also kinda dangerous unless you have dual citizenship :)

Is this effecting all of Canada including the West Coast in BC? Or no? Because time to pack yo (I meant towards you pooh bear, the packing, COME to Mochaland!)

Edit: Nvm. I don't pay the bills so idk yet T.TTTTTTTT
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@AHTL; Thank You!

@otaku_125; Rogers is a Cable ISP. Usage Based Billing for them doesn't come into affect until July, and since they are the main Cable internet provider this won't affect them negatively. Just watch your caps carefully because Rogers is notorious for changing them on little notice.

@kippu; Yes this is why Rogers keeps charging you more once you go over 60gb.
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I heard there is a No-Cap ISP in canada. Just is very slow (1.5Mbps)
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Well I'm changing from Rogers. There's this company, it's like Teksavy but much much better. No dsl, it's cable internet. There's no limit to it, and it's 500 dollars for the ENTIRE year.



Good bye rogers. You milk too much money off of me. I canceled my phone with you, and now my internet will be canceled as well. I hope you lose the skydome too.
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Posted 1/29/11
FML I am using Bell and it charges me for over usage every month! (I have a 100GB download limit) And what now?! Man, I live in Ontario too.
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Shit I live in Ontario . Its hard enough already living with 3 siblings and 2 parents streaming crap everyday. eww I sense a time sched/limit coming soon for me .
I've been good to you Rodgers .

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Got this off teksavvy.


7. How do I determine the approximate amount of gigabytes (GB) I will need?

If you have never verified your household usage or if you are a new customer, you may not know your average monthly usage. Below is a table that may help you estimate potential usage based on your intended activity:

Intended Internet Activity


Average Monthly Usage
< 25GB
Primarily use email combined with a light amount of web surfing.


< 25GB

Moderate web surfing, occasional file sharing, online shopping and email.



Potentially > 25GB
Extensive web surfing, sharing music, video streaming, downloading and playing games, online shopping and email. Power users that use multiple computers, smartphones, and game consoles at the same time.




Me living with many siblings and hardcore gaming =.= will go broke in no time.




Residential DSL Internet
Service Speed Bandwidth Price Purchase
High Speed
Internet Premium Up to 5M/800k 25 G/month $31.95/Month
High Speed
Lite Lite Up to 640k/512k 2 G/month $24.95/Month


Insurance Option Price
40 GB (additional GB) $4.75
80 GB (additional GB) $9.50
120 GB (additional GB) $14.25
300 GB (total GB allowed) $55.00



Surely I hope the government will realize this is a huge mistake as society needs to run off internet to maintain their lives. I hope for the best that this doesn't get placed .
Posted 1/29/11 , edited 1/29/11

Kippu wrote:

Well I'm changing from Rogers. There's this company, it's like Teksavy but much much better. No dsl, it's cable internet. There's no limit to it, and it's 500 dollars for the ENTIRE year.



Good bye rogers. You milk too much money off of me. I canceled my phone with you, and now my internet will be canceled as well. I hope you lose the skydome too.
/end Rant


I'm looking into that too. And yes, DOWN WITH ROGERS >:[


mandralyne wrote:

@AHTL; Thank You!

@otaku_125; Rogers is a Cable ISP. Usage Based Billing for them doesn't come into affect until July, and since they are the main Cable internet provider this won't affect them negatively. Just watch your caps carefully because Rogers is notorious for changing them on little notice.

@kippu; Yes this is why Rogers keeps charging you more once you go over 60gb.


Oh thanks for the info
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How does this a affect someone who pays Rogers extra to have a larger than normal cap?
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

How does this a affect someone who pays Rogers extra to have a larger than normal cap?


This doesn't, as you are already paying extra. For now it mainly affects DSL users who are used to having higher caps.
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Sadly, this is going to be coming EVERYWHERE eventually. With each and every passing year our demand for bandwidth increases. The infrastructure of various ISPs are having a lot of difficulty keeping up (at least while also maintaining happy shareholders).

There are actually hidden bandwidth caps for most major ISPs in the USA, but they are generally ridiculously high. For example, Charter has a cap of 100GB for their services under 15 megabits per second. For services over that, it's 250GB. At 40 USD a month, this gives me a 'price" of about .16 USD per gigabyte. To compare, a dedicated T1 line being used at full capacity, costing 500 USD a month gives you a bandwidth cost of 1.05 USD per gigabyte, so those of us in the US really have a great thing going for us.

Of course, I would blame this all on the ISPs for foolishly exclaiming that they offer an "unlimited service" instead of being honest with themselves and customers and realizing that they never should have made these claims in the first place. When the Internet was small, they could get away with it. But now that the Internet has grown, their customers are starting to treat it as the unlimited service that it is advertised as. Unfortunately, nothing in this world is truly unlimited.

As more and more people start to become more and more like the "heavy users", purchasing movies and games online, watching youtube everyday (or crunchyroll for that matter ), ISPs will be squeezed harder and harder. And rather than squeeze their shareholder's profits, they would rather squeeze their customers instead.
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