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Anime is not animation: What do you think?
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Posted 2/8/11 , edited 2/8/11
I have to get this off my shoulders. This has been bugging me for a while.

Last Fall, I had an ANIMATION teacher (suppossedly a former Nickolodeon animator) tell my animation history class that "anime is not animation". I finally asked the guy (during class) what anime he had seen . The only anime this guy had ever seen were Sailor Moon and an obscure series called Marine Boy. Days later, I met with some people from the school's animation club and invited them to Aki Con only to be told that "anime is not animation". After the incidents, I've been left without any peers to talk to or critique my work. People treat me as if I have the Bubonic Plague.

What really bothers me about this opinion was the fact it comes from some animators (or potential animators) instead of some little kid. In my view, people who claim anime isn't animation just don't want to admit that other countries can make animation that surpasses the US (story-wise, artisticly, and technically). Basicly, they are nationalists (<--- Just my opinion, folks). I can't take so-called professionals who say this seriously.

It always amazes me what the Japanese do with their productions even though they don't have Hollywood budgets! Recently, I showed the second ending of Tagami Bachi REVERSE to my Digital Media Production teacher and asked if a simillar Paper Mario-type sequence can be re-created in Flash and After Effects. Even the teacher admitted he didn't know of any way to do the same thing using the Adobe products.

Well, anyways, what do you guys think?
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Posted 2/8/11 , edited 2/8/11
Japanese anime is a blanket term for animated cartoon; this is a widely accepted definition. I think that your animation teacher just have a grudge on anime since it out-marketed Nick's cartoon.

EDIT: minor typo
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an·i·ma·tion (n-mshn)
n.
1. The act, process, or result of imparting life, interest, spirit, motion, or activity.
2. The quality or condition of being alive, active, spirited, or vigorous.
3.
a. The art or process of preparing animated cartoons.
b. An animated cartoon.

This is the dictionary definition of "animation". I am not sure why your lecturers have a problem categorizing anime into this fairly standard definition of the term. If anime isn't animation, then what the heck is it? BTW, anime roots and designs derived from and were heavily influenced by classic Walt Disney cartoons and did not just spring out of nowhere. The genre has grown into something quite "unique" but if you look at even the most modern anime productions you can still see the Disney influence. American animation still influence Japanese anime, take a look at the work done for the Panty, Stocking and Garterbelt series which is heavily derivative of (and pays homage to) a "classic" American animation style.

And btw, some anime movies have won international awards in guess which category of films?

I've run into the same type of attitude when I went to Architectural school and I made a case for buildings having to take into account considerations for robotics and technology. The discussion got so heated that I almost failed to get my degree, but fortunately in the college system I went to our dissertation and final year work are vetted by an outside panel of professional architects and upon reviewing my work, not only did I pass, I passed with honors ... so .... remember the maxim: " those who can do, those who can't teach".

Just get your studies done and move on. In the end, the opinions of your teachers will hold diddle-swat value. And for those great teachers, their thoughts and ideas you will carry with you forever, so stick to your guns and don't balk to closed minded idiots.
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No matter how I look at it....it seems your teachers fail at common sense.

If anime is not animation....than what the hell can be considered animation?

I guarantee you they would say Cartoons from Nickolodean or w/e are animations.....but yet they will say anime isnt animation. So its like.....wtf
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What do I think....it's real simple. If this guy really had a background from working at Nickelodeon, then he would know by now that the network also aired..or still is airing Dragonball Kai. You just can't get more hypocritical than him, and he clearly has never seen Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon in japanese. Try asking him that one.

I'm very sorry for you....because this is a clear example of stupidity becoming a normal behavoir and it being spread like AIDS. Since he kept telling the lie, people started to believe him. Lemme guess, if you're an anime fan, you're irrelevant now in that class?

It's also an example of how these so-called teachers or professors try to make you think like them and have their opinion always be right, without thinking for yourself and seeing the truth with your own mind.

You may not have friends in that class, but you do have friends here that you can talk to. Yeah, common sense is now dead and been made illegal in the minds of the ignorant who believes it's now normal to be stupid.
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Posted 2/8/11
Opinions, opinions everywhere. That's all your teacher is saying but the sad part is people actually believe him with out researching for them selves. I will say this though Trackwatcher Pretty much has the best post in this thread and every thing he did post is true.
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Well, in the literal definition, that is objectively incorrect. But I imagine your teacher is going with a more conceptual definition, and I think I can understand what is meant. I would say that where your teacher is coming from is similar in aspect to arguing whether "anime" and "cartoon" should be segregated terms or not. And in this case, your teacher would prefer a cartoon. Preferring that it be like Disney, in that every single frame must be different from the last, characters cannot hold still; anime does not do this, and keeps motion tame and under control.

But even with trying to define animation with a heavy emphasis on motion, I still would greatly disagree with your teacher. Anime may not move as much Disney animation, but movement is still a very important component in conveying everything it depicts. If it wasn't so important, there would be no point in trying to make anime instead of manga. Not to mention it still takes in and gives out all the pure components that makes art be art.
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I grew up watching animated cartoons like Johny quest. and when I was in high school I started watching anime and reading manga. to me they were on vast ends of the spectrum BUT they were still in the same spectrum. imo anime is still animation simply because animation and anime are still works of art drawn and made to move whether it be by hand or computers. I can see why a teacher that worked at nick would pass off anime as a different genre. but it saddens me to see other people going off an unfounded basis to avoid you simply because of your point of view I mean grow up people learn to think for yourself.
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HA... you can't have it both ways.

There are so many diehard anime fans here that will tell you that Anime is not animation (or cartoons) as well. Convinced that their little moving drawings are somehow better than everyone elses.

Here's a thread about the same attitude being expressed against Anime.

Sucks doesn't it?

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I believe the very definition of anime is - Japanese Animation. So your teacher is definitely wrong. As for why he would not want to admit that its hard to say. He probably just did so because he is not very versed in anime and didn't want be showed up by his student, making him look like there is a huge area of animation that he is not competent to teach about. As far anime fans not liking it when people call it anime cartoons. That is just pride talking in my opinion. People don't like it when others trivialize things that they like. The reality is that anime is japanese cartoons. It's nothing to be ashamed of. So I am 33 and I like Japanese cartoons. Big deal, I'm not insecure about it. It's not as embarrassing as someone watching the Jersey Shore or something lame like that at any age.
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Posted 2/8/11

CG111777 wrote:

I believe the very definition of anime is - Japanese Animation. So your teacher is definitely wrong. As for why he would not want to admit that its hard to say. He probably just did so because he is not very versed in anime and didn't want be showed up by his student, making him look like there is a huge area of animation that he is not competent to teach about. As far anime fans not liking it when people call it anime cartoons. That is just pride talking in my opinion. People don't like it when others trivialize things that they like. The reality is that anime is japanese cartoons. It's nothing to be ashamed of. So I am 33 and I like Japanese cartoons. Big deal, I'm not insecure about it. It's not as embarrassing as someone watching the Jersey Shore or something lame like that at any age.


Quoted and emphasized for truth... what's Jersey Shore?


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Posted 2/8/11
Um I say ignore the HATERS! Anime by definition is animation! I wish U.S animation can have half the plots, story lines, developed characters and topics. Well don't hold your breath seeing how your teacher and fellow students treated this issue.
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43 / M / Canada
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Posted 2/8/11
That teacher was wrong.

and I am someone who actually works in the North American Animation industry (I haven't done anything great yet but I've got my name in the credits of a couple of shows).

hell with the push towards Flash Symbol animated shows Anime is more animation that most of the crap being made in the US right now.

and then the Japanese do something like Panty and Stocking as if to say "You could still do awesome cool stuff with Flash too, so why don't you?"

Ignorance in a Teacher is is just sad
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Posted 2/8/11
then what in the world it is..? as it was said by the others above me.. your teacher don't know what he is talking about. He just answered with that "anime is not animation" crap because he did not know what to say.

an about that peers of yours..they just can take a hike...with their teacher... preferably to Japan to educate their selves.

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Posted 2/8/11 , edited 2/8/11
Who is your teacher - Miyazaki? Anime is short for A-ni-me-shon, the Japanese term for Animation.

Welcome to being different. Also IMHO anime hit its peak at Last Exile.
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