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Anime is not animation: What do you think?
Posted 2/10/11 , edited 2/10/11
Your professor is an idiot.
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Posted 2/10/11
Hmm... a former Nick monkey who's now teaching a class. Sounds like someone is a little bitter that American animation is losing ground to Japan and quite possibly lost his job because of it. Unfortunately, higher education has increasingly become the platform for personal agendas and this douche is a great example. Hopefully his teaching in other areas isn't so biased and if so I hope he doesn't have tenure and can be let go.

The concept of nationality in regards to animation is rapidly becoming outdated. Much of Naruto is animated in the same country as The Simpsons... South Korea! A good portion of Miyazaki's works are based off of English novels. Anime toys, mostly made in China now. Like just about every other industry, animation is a multi-national business.
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Animation is the rapid display of a sequence of images of 2-D or 3-D artwork or model positions in order to create an illusion of movement. The effect is an optical illusion of motion due to the phenomenon of persistence of vision, and can be created and demonstrated in several ways. The most common method of presenting animation is as a motion picture or video program, although there are other methods.

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Posted 2/11/11

papagolfwhiskey wrote:


ksrandall wrote:

I have to get this off my shoulders. This has been bugging me for a while.

Last Fall, I had an ANIMATION teacher (suppossedly a former Nickolodeon animator) tell my animation history class that "anime is not animation". I finally asked the guy (during class) what anime he had seen . The only anime this guy had ever seen were Sailor Moon and an obscure series called Marine Boy. Days later, I met with some people from the school's animation club and invited them to Aki Con only to be told that "anime is not animation". After the incidents, I've been left without any peers to talk to or critique my work. People treat me as if I have the Bubonic Plague.

What really bothers me about this opinion was the fact it comes from some animators (or potential animators) instead of some little kid. In my view, people who claim anime isn't animation just don't want to admit that other countries can make animation that surpasses the US (story-wise, artisticly, and technically). Basicly, they are nationalists (<--- Just my opinion, folks). I can't take so-called professionals who say this seriously.

It always amazes me what the Japanese do with their productions even though they don't have Hollywood budgets! Recently, I showed the second ending of Tagami Bachi REVERSE to my Digital Media Production teacher and asked if a simillar Paper Mario-type sequence can be re-created in Flash and After Effects. Even the teacher admitted he didn't know of any way to do the same thing using the Adobe products.

Well, anyways, what do you guys think?


For future reference. what is the name of this school? If someone wants to study Animation I will specifically mention it as a school to avoid.
If they're that willfully ignorant. What other stuff do they erroneously teach?


I"m not going to point fingers at any particular school. Sorry.

I can easily imagine this problem in other American art schools.The main purpose of any U.S. commerical art school is to teach people about industry history and job skills that are needed to get a job in the U.S. I knew that I would be learning about American animation. It's only the anti-anime attitude from some professionals that surprised me. None of that is stopping me from learning about Japanese animation in my spare time.

I only posted because I have no one else at school or home to talk to about this. The support group I used to have went to serve in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, and I lost contact with them. I'm trying my best to hook up with a new group of friends, but this situation at school has made my goal that much harder to reach.
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Posted 2/12/11
*reads thread title*

Excuse me what?
Anime is short for animation. It's a freakin' cartoon made by the japanese and koreans.
Just like how western cartoons are made by americans and canadians.

It's the same thing just different styles.

Oh by the way,who was the animators name. i was quite fond of nicktoons.
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Why the hell is everyone (not here) trying to invent new labels for EVERYTHING?! It's not seasonal it's global warming, it doesn't explain why it still gets cold in the winter so it's Climate Change. Which in the end does a 180 and still explains the four seasons. Anime, cartoons, comic books, manga are all interchangeable as long as anime are not called maga; one comes from the other.

I was thinking that Avatar the last airbender was the closest thing to an anime that the US has produced, but I'm a realist and know that it simply doesn't fit that label simply because it didn't come from Japan. Thundercats originated in the U.S. and it was undoubtedly a cartoon for those who didn't (at the time) differentiate between toons and anime. It seems that Japan is coming out with a new Thundercats show in the reasonably near future, then I ask is it still a cartoon because it's a product of the U.S. or does it become an anime simply because the Japanese are redoing it? Then if this is so what changes it into anime? Is it the design of the characters, the size of the iris' of their eyes, or is is that the story is written in such a way that doesn't necessarily insult the intelligence of those who watch it? I remember it differently as a kid when the story seemed good enough by comparison with other lame shows out there like Gobots (dies a little more inside thinking about gobots), but it seems so lame now I wouldn't last through the first few seconds of the opening credits. Of course this is the opposite today that I'd rather watch G1 Transformers than all the ones that came out since with the exception of season 2+ of Beast Wars.


You're right When one get down to the nuts and bolts of the situtation, one starts to note the simillarity of cartoons and anime. The only major difference is the resistance of Americans to accept non-humor story animation. Heck even Americans tried to get the Hanna Barbara show, Johnny Quest, off the air during the 1960's for being too violent. (<--- Yeah, I know. That's pretty laughable by today's standards.)

I also wish I knew why there was such resistance to complex characters (like the characters in Book of Bantorra) or even characters who grow and change through the course of the story (like Takagi and Mashiro in Bakuman).It is easier to make more stories with a complex character than a simple character that stays the same. And it'smuch more satifying when the story eventually comes to the end.
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crush_dance wrote:
... Oh by the way,who was the animators name. i was quite fond of nicktoons.


I can't post that information either. Sorry. I could get in trouble with my school.

I only posted because I have no one else at school or home to talk to about this. The support group I used to have went to serve in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, and I lost contact with them. I'm trying my best to hook up with a new group of friends, but this situation at school has made my goal that much harder to reach.
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Posted 2/12/11
I can't believe that your teacher wouldn't accept anime as a form of animation. Like everyone else has said "what the he classify it as then?"
Posted 2/12/11
He's right that Anime is not animation. It transcended animation! It is now Aniawesome! At least when compared to most trash forced upon television these days. The new generations are getting crap, but at least there's still Spongebob. Though we need classics like Inspector Gadget, Pirates of Dark Water, David the Gnome, etc. And I'm a sucker for anime, so most of it's awesome for me at least.

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Posted 2/12/11
anime generally refers to Japanese animation. American animation is generally referred to as "animation" or Cartoons.

However Anime is just short for animation.

Anime is commonly defined as animation originating in Japan. (アニメ?, an abbreviated pronunciation in Japanese of "animation", pronounced [anime] ( listen) in Japanese, but typically /ˈænɨmeɪ/ ( listen) or /ˈænɨmə/ in English.) The definition sometimes changes depending on the context.[1] In English-speaking countries, anime is also referred to as "Japanese animation".[2]
~ Wikipedia
Posted 2/12/11 , edited 2/12/11

It seems that your prefessor is nationalistic when it come to animation
well, whatever his opinion is,
the world doesn't revolve around it
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Posted 2/12/11

xly15 wrote:

I can't believe that your teacher wouldn't accept anime as a form of animation. Like everyone else has said "what the he classify it as then?"


I have no idea.
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Posted 2/13/11
At least where I go to college I'm pretty sure that none of the teachers would have say that Anime is not animation. I think that your professor was just hurt that anime does a lot better than most amercian cartoons.
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Posted 2/13/11 , edited 2/13/11
That's what I call a bullshit Also, I don' see the point in arguing over them words.
Posted 2/13/11
Anime is a visual art form that speaks its own language...

However, I prefer the older 'animes' because the language has changed...

too much 'fan service'...and dogma..as in Kiss X Sis, etc...
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