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Posted 2/16/11
What would you do if the ghost talk to you? I dont know what i would do i might just say hi
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For those of you who are sceptics...GHOSTS ONLY EXIST ON THE PRIME MATERIAL PLANE WHEN THEIR LIVING BODY HAD A TASK TO DO BEFORE HE SNUFFED IT. ONCE THE TASK IS COMPLETED THE GHOST WILL MOVE ON. THIS IS WHY SOME FAMOUS HAUNTINGS ONLY EXIST IN WRITTEN FORM NOW. The Headless Horseman and Nearly Headless Nick send their regards, btw.


Skeptics such as myself would be confused about what you are saying (skip to the bottom for TL;DR):
1) What is "THE PRIME MATERIAL PLANE". Where does this plane exist in spacetime? Or are you arguing for a universe with a universe with a dimensional signature greater than (3,1) (meaning 3 spatial or space-like dimensions and 1 temporary or time-like dimensions)? If so, how do these "extra' dimensions interact with us and why can we only normally perceive 3 spatial and 1 temporal dimension? Furthermore, what is it made out of? Which, if any, of the 4 fundamental forces (Nuclear Strong, Nuclear Weak, Electromagnetic and Gravitation) affect it? Or are there other fundamental forces out there that we are unaware of? If these exist, then how do they unify with the 4 fundamental forces?

2) Define "task". If I tell my body to hop on its right foot three times, but die before I can accomplish this task, do I persist as a ghost until I can complete the task of hopping on my right foot three times? Or do you mean there must be emotions attached to said task? If so, does this mean that we can trigger or block the creation of ghosts by manipulating the emotional state of someone before they die (e.g. pumping them full of drugs or exciting a portion of the brain using electrodes)? Or are you arguing that humans are more than our physical components - thus implying that humans are self-determining and have qualia? If so, then how does self-determinism and qualia work?

3) What is meant by "MOVE ON"? Where does the ghost go after it dies? When a ghost moves on, does it remove energy/matter from the universe, thus violating the first law of thermodynamics? Or does the ghost "disperse", causing it's component parts to be forever lost to entropy?

4) Likewise, how does a ghost come into existence? Does a new ghost introduce energy/matter into the universe, thus violating both the first law of thermodynamics and the conservation of matter/energy? Or are ghosts composed out of already existing matter organized in a new way (similar to how our physical bodies are created out of already existing matter by changing said matter's organization)? If so, does the creation of a ghost create entropy (as mandated by the second law of thermodynamics)?

5) Ghosts are supposedly sentient and intelligent. How do they process information without a brain or similar phsysical computational device? Or are ghosts just made out of some sort of "exotic matter"? If so, then what are the qualities of this "exotic matter"? Or can they process information without matter? If so, then how do they get around the Bekenstein bound (the upper limit on the amount of entropy and information that can be contained within a finite region of space)?


TL;DR:
I find the concept of a ghost to be poorly defined. This is one of the problems that skeptics have with people who believe in supernatural phenomenon - they fail to discretely define their theories. I myself was INCREDIBLY surprised to discover that so many people on these forums believe in ghosts and even claim to have seen them personally! I'm not necessarily saying that these people are lying: just that I am skeptical of their claims. How I wish I could have been in their position when they observed a ghost, so that I could conduct an appropriate battery of tests in order to determine if the ghost is actually there, or that I was simply hallucinating.
Posted 2/16/11

wwe wrote:


Escrep wrote:


wwe wrote:


steeleman2003 wrote:

I haven't seen any. But if they do exist I would like to see one once.


Yup same here not seen one yet but like to see one to see how real they are


May you two live in interesting times..

The only reason i'd ever want to see a ghost is to see what would happen if I tricked them into the microwave. Still, I do believe they exist even if I don't want to.. then again i'd probably be too unobservent to even catch the signs, can't haunt what is too dumb to notice... Wait, that's not a compliment..


What you think will happen if you put the ghost in the microwave? i think they do exist i just like to see one as long its good ghost idk what would happen if it was evil


Well my good acquaintance, it depends if I have food in the microwave. If I did have food in there i'm pretty sure i've of just created a plate of popcorn fused with a soul of a dead person. If not then i'm assuming I just caused a new type of radiation that might create a worm-hole into the spirit world (Ooohhhh! spoooookie)... Knowing my luck, i'd probably end up exploding it and spread radiation poisoning through out my apartment building and leading people to think it's a wormhole... ugh.. The rent will go so much higher..
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Posted 2/16/11

Escrep wrote:


wwe wrote:


Escrep wrote:


wwe wrote:


steeleman2003 wrote:

I haven't seen any. But if they do exist I would like to see one once.


Yup same here not seen one yet but like to see one to see how real they are


May you two live in interesting times..

The only reason i'd ever want to see a ghost is to see what would happen if I tricked them into the microwave. Still, I do believe they exist even if I don't want to.. then again i'd probably be too unobservent to even catch the signs, can't haunt what is too dumb to notice... Wait, that's not a compliment..


What you think will happen if you put the ghost in the microwave? i think they do exist i just like to see one as long its good ghost idk what would happen if it was evil


Well my good acquaintance, it depends if I have food in the microwave. If I did have food in there i'm pretty sure i've of just created a plate of popcorn fused with a soul of a dead person. If not then i'm assuming I just caused a new type of radiation that might create a worm-hole into the spirit world (Ooohhhh! spoooookie)... Knowing my luck, i'd probably end up exploding it and spread radiation poisoning through out my apartment building and leading people to think it's a wormhole... ugh.. The rent will go so much higher..


lol hahahaha funny and cool i wonder what the worm-hole would look like? would you eat the dead popcorn? if you saw the worm-hole do you jump in it? you have some random thoughts
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Posted 2/16/11 , edited 2/16/11
Duplicate. Please use the thread below:


Ghosts
http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-1656

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