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Politics - Wisconsin Protests - Your thoughts?
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Posted 2/24/11 , edited 2/24/11
This is something that's been going on since just before Valentine's Day, and has since gotten international attention. There are a lot of news articles if you want information with a quick google search of 'Wisconsin protests walker' ...

This audio may also give you some insight (22 mins total):
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBnSv3a6Nh4&feature=player_embedded
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3a2pYGr7-k&feature=player_embedded

For a bit of Humor, The Daily Show has even made some comments:
First mention: http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/mon-february-21-2011-lisa-ling
Followup: http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/wed-february-23-2011-donald-rumsfeld

For those unaware and who don't want to do research on it, the controversy is about Gov. (R) Scott Walker's push for a Budget Repair Bill to help state funding deficits. Also in this bill is wording that would strip public workers of their union's rights for Collective Bargaining.

My personal opinion on this:



Just wondering what people's thoughts are on this, or if people care about it.

EDIT: Added my opinion to the OP
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Posted 2/24/11
I'm with the workers. Solidarity from California.


Egypt also.
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Posted 2/24/11
It's real simple.

If this was really about the kids, then these greedy bastards called teachers would be in the classroom right now teaching the children the important things in life. The governor is doing exactly what he should be doing, saving the state from losing anymore money. Funny how the democrat side skipped out of the state when it came to a vote. Isn't that illegal? Those teachers should be fired, since they refuse to pay their own pensions, and hold back the students from learning.

Yet another reason why I would rather homeschool my child or put him/her through private school.
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This goes way beyond Teachers.
This covers all state and county employees.
Is it so wrong to object to the union-busting. This country was built with the unions.
I doubt that you are stuck working a 12-16 hour day or with no breaks. How do you think that happened?
Do you think for a instant that Big Business gives a shit about you! They never have before.
I had a good job with decent pay without a union.
I was happy for 3 years until one Friday everyone in the section was getting Perm. Layoffs
SO MUCH FOR OUR LOYALTY!
Your state may be next.
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squirrel3d wrote:

It's real simple.

If this was really about the kids, then these greedy bastards called teachers would be in the classroom right now teaching the children the important things in life. The governor is doing exactly what he should be doing, saving the state from losing anymore money. Funny how the democrat side skipped out of the state when it came to a vote. Isn't that illegal? Those teachers should be fired, since they refuse to pay their own pensions, and hold back the students from learning.

Yet another reason why I would rather homeschool my child or put him/her through private school.


Actually, according to the governor, it's about the money, specifically the budget deficit in the state. Concerning which, the teacher's unions and even some firefighters and police (who are otherwise exempt from the union-specific wording in the bill) have offered to increase pension and health care contributions to make up the proposal.

The main issue why people are protesting is regarding the collective bargaining rights in the bill's wording, and the attitude the governor has about it. The governor has stated, frankly I might add, that he will not allow the bill to pass without terminating the union's collective bargaining rights. Money isn't the issue for the protesters, but that's the issue that the governor's making it to be, and the discontinuity is what's causing all the mess.

If it were about the kids, I'd agree with you. If it were about teacher's wages, pension plans, and health care costs, there'd be something to debate and talk about, but the governor's words aren't in parallel with his actions in this bill.

EDITS:
- grammar
- police and fire still have contribution increases (still not to the national average), but don't have the union restrictions other state workers do
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The bill is a great idea, I mean why take a small amount of money from every one in the state to make sure the state has adiqute resoreces to protect and serve said people, lets just shit over the people who work for our state. / sarcasm.

Seroisly though I can understand small cuts to these places, but what that senetor wants to do is not only strip employees of most of there benfits, but take away there right to ask to have them back.


If the just raised taxes a litte for every one in the state (even the rich) along with a few temprary cuts to these groups, they could get similar if not greater results.

Or how about legalizing pot, with heavy taxes on that. It's not like it's particularly hard for the people who want it to get it now. Pluss there's the potental for more jobs with legal plantation.
Posted 2/24/11

squirrel3d wrote:

It's real simple.

If this was really about the kids, then these greedy bastards called teachers would be in the classroom right now teaching the children the important things in life.

Such as shutting the fuck up and blindly obeying orders without thinking for themselves and having an opinion and getting their voice heard?



Yet another reason why I would rather homeschool my child or put him/her through private school.

Being so insightful and well educated as you appear, you'll probably do a very good job ^_~
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Posted 2/24/11
You wonder why I don't post in this section of the forums much anymore......people like the guy above me.
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squirrel3d wrote:

It's real simple.

If this was really about the kids, then these greedy bastards called teachers would be in the classroom right now teaching the children the important things in life. The governor is doing exactly what he should be doing, saving the state from losing anymore money. Funny how the democrat side skipped out of the state when it came to a vote. Isn't that illegal? Those teachers should be fired, since they refuse to pay their own pensions, and hold back the students from learning.

Yet another reason why I would rather homeschool my child or put him/her through private school.


You do know that a teacher's pay is shit to begin with right?

Most teachers become teachers because they love to teach but due to the low pay are forced to either to look for higher paying schools or get another job.
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Posted 2/24/11
I'm from Wisconsin. Basically everyone I know hates him and wants him out.
I just feel so bad for the teachers, the Union even put out a statement to the Governor saying that they were willing to take the pay cuts (which for some teachers goes up to 10%) as long as they can still have their bargaining rights.
And some of the things like health care are being cut, even though it's designed to help the lowest income families get health care for their kids.
I'm not the most knowledgeable person on the subject, so I won't say anything else, but I hate seeing comments saying that "OH IF THE TEACHERS CARED THEY WOULD BE TEACHING". It's not like they're cutting down the time and learning in school - we still have to make up the days. And the great majority of kids are behind the teachers 150%, everyday during the protests they gathered at the school and went down to the Capitol to protest too...there are too many people affected by this for people not to care, many kids have state workers as parents (myself included).
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Posted 2/24/11

sillysia63377 wrote:

I'm from Wisconsin. Basically everyone I know hates him and wants him out.
I just feel so bad for the teachers, the Union even put out a statement to the Governor saying that they were willing to take the pay cuts (which for some teachers goes up to 10%) as long as they can still have their bargaining rights.
And some of the things like health care are being cut, even though it's designed to help the lowest income families get health care for their kids.
I'm not the most knowledgeable person on the subject, so I won't say anything else, but I hate seeing comments saying that "OH IF THE TEACHERS CARED THEY WOULD BE TEACHING". It's not like they're cutting down the time and learning in school - we still have to make up the days. And the great majority of kids are behind the teachers 150%, everyday during the protests they gathered at the school and went down to the Capitol to protest too...there are too many people affected by this for people not to care, many kids have state workers as parents (myself included).


Just like Kennk5 suggested, this goes beyond just the teacher's union, though it is the most noticeable. Also, news sources may be misleading in implying that police and fire are exempt from the bill completely: this is not true. The bill would increase their required contributions as well, though all affected parties' contributions would still be under the national average for applicable pension and health care costs.

I think if it weren't so integral to the survival and quality of the teachers we do have, I'd tend to say the teachers should go back to school and teach, but considering it's the unions' rights themselves that are being attacked... people have to unite and stand together. The union is there so the employees don't have to be. If the union is attacked, the employees are affected directly by default.
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Posted 2/25/11
I'm also with the workers!

It's bout time anyway~!
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Posted 2/25/11
Early today - Wisconsin state assembly passed this bill.
It has yet to be approved by the senate before becoming law, and democrats are nowhere to be seen, so the bill cannot pass until a minimum of one democrat returns / is forced to return.

Should this stalemate last to July 1st, then the decision is moot, and the bill drops. So, republicans have that long to get the bill through. Until then, they seem happy enough to pass minor legislature that they know democrats would like their voice heard on.

For example: The public must now have a prior appointment and be escorted (possibly armed escort?) in the appointed time to the senator's office in order just to speak in-person. Previously, any citizen of Wisconsin could enter the office without an appointment, with the doors open. This standard was even in effect before and after the 9/11 disaster.
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Posted 2/25/11
Thanks NarutoBacca for this post. The links were great (gotta get more Daily Show in my daily routine). Being recently moved from WI and still have family there, it's really really funny. I personally think the Republicans in the WI senate might have started with the right idea, but it ended up being a real big F-U to teachers. In my time in WI I have learned that they (in general) don't support their teachers very much, if at all. But yet, they complain about how their kids are turning out and think the schools need to do something about it. A bit backwater if you ask me.

Anyway, thanks for the post. Was surprised to see a political post here, but it's nice to see and discuss, even in an Otaku forum.

Keep us informed
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Whether Governor Walker is right or wrong, the democrats have found a way to end the democratic process by refusing to participate. That, I find disturbing.
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