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Politics - Wisconsin Protests - Your thoughts?
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Posted 2/26/11

hopfly wrote:

Whether Governor Walker is right or wrong, the democrats have found a way to end the democratic process by refusing to participate. That, I find disturbing.


And misleading the Dem's into rushing through a vote without discussion isn't disturbing? I can understand that they want to do things quickly and take action now before problems get out of hand, but the attitude they're doing it with riles lots of people the wrong way, and the uproar we've seen is the result.
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Posted 2/27/11
I don't see either side coming out of the fight a winner. Either Governor Walker ends collective bargaining through some trickery or waiting out the Democrats for probably months, or the Democrats manage to hold on collective bargaining but are seen as an obstructive minority party. The Democrats are effectively stuck as their tactic won't allow for compromise effectively (though Walker hardly seems open to negotiation right now).
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I don't see either side coming out of the fight a winner. Either Governor Walker ends collective bargaining through some trickery or waiting out the Democrats for probably months, or the Democrats manage to hold on collective bargaining but are seen as an obstructive minority party. The Democrats are effectively stuck as their tactic won't allow for compromise effectively (though Walker hardly seems open to negotiation right now).


I would say this is pretty accurate. After Scott's recording for the prank call had been revealed... especially when the office declared that it was genuine (and the fact that he still refuses to take calls from various people since, though this is understandable in it's own right), the Dems have pretty much been steadfast to not come back into the state w/o compromise. Likewise, Scott *will not budge* until collective bargaining is eliminated, period. It's a measure of Scott and the Reps endurance while protests continue, the media continues to cover the issue locally, nationally, and internationally, and the Dems patience for the governor to compromise.

All the elected officials were elected to take action, politically, to progress laws in the state to improve the condition for the people they represent. So far, I think all the senators are doing their job... it's just that things need to be explained out. If an elected official (R) can explain, in detail, why eliminating collective bargaining 1) helps against the state's deficit, 2) needs to be eliminated, even only for this state's case, and 3) forecasts the entire range of negative effects this will have upon the state employees (so that they can plan ahead and prepare for it, vs. just finding out after the fact that they've been fired or whatnot)....then I think the protests would dissolve if the explanation is acceptable. I'm sure that even if an explanation would be given that there'd be people upset, that's a given... but it wouldn't have the growing and remote support it's been getting outside of unions themselves if some people would be appeased.

It's the attitude around this bill that stinks, and it's rubbing off on the people... these protests, imo, are the result of bad practice.
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Posted 2/27/11
If he was asking to remove collective bargaining rights for a temporary period, say a couple years, Then I could accept his argument that it's a necessary action.

But instead he is trying to take them away completely. He has been offered many different alternatives but he refuses to negotiate or compromise.

It stoped being about saving money at that point and became an ideological bill.


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Posted 2/27/11
Mubarak and Qaddafi have a soul mate in in the Wisconsin Governor. Money for the rich, steal from workers and the poor. That's exactly what the Tea Party conservatives and Republicans are all about. They truly don't give a damn about anyone else, except themselves. The Democrats on the other hand can't be trusted for a second. That's why they fled, instead of distributing arms. They don't want a revolution no more than the Tea Party. Until workers in this country break from the twin party system of front stabbing and back stabbing, they'll continue on their long slide into economic destitution. Workers need to stand independent of the Democrats and Republicans, and take over this country for themselves. We do all the work, we make all the wealth, yet this is the most class stratified country in the entire history of the human race. When the revolution happens here, it'll make Libya look like child's play.
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Posted 2/27/11

this sums up everything I agree with is wrong with our country. down load and zoom if you need to.
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Posted 2/28/11
I always liked Carlin, the man had a great sense for Bullshit.
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Posted 2/28/11
are you guys allowed to call for a referendum on the matter?
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are you guys allowed to call for a referendum on the matter?

Yes and no. Referendums in Wisconsin are relatively common (there were two on the ballot in the 2010 Election). However, they are usually put on the ballot by the state legislature, so we would obviously have a problem doing it now. Also, Governor Walker is demanding immediate and uncompromising action. That said, a referendum would be a good solution in another situation.
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wow last time i watched cnn the egyptians said they hated all americans... dont think they are with you on this matter... truth be told USA is in for alot of changes in the next yr... im getting out
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Why are teachers protesting while collecting a federal budget? They should be spending this time teaching. They are a bunch of hypocrites to say that it is about the students when they have forced schools to close for weeks while making bank on a federally payed 'sick leave'.

The public unions have already aggressively bargained entire states into the ground. 'At least greatly contributed'. Not that almost all states aren't insanely far into debt already. The states that do not allow public unions to demand increased benefits are actually doing way better right now.

I'm with the elephants on this one. Which is rare in and of itself.

On that note. We are more than likely about to see the greatest collapse in the history of the United states. In fact, it will be the greatest economic collapse in the history of the planet. Best be discarding your normalcy biases and get ready for billion dollar bread 'yes this is really possible'. A collapse where the cost of everything doubles every single day, on top of the fourteen some trillion that we are indebted.

The government will soon fail to pay off the 'interest' on it's debt. Even now, china and other economic giants are attempting to discard all of our bank notes as fast as possible without collapsing their own systems, and held meeting excluding the U.S. on matters of how to find new nations to lean on financially.This is a big deal because china owns more of our debt than all of the U.S currency circulating in the entire United States. We are looking at the American dollar no longer being the worlds reserve currency.
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yes im not talking about a literal famine tho... but in all honest the american way is dead and was bleed to death by the people who are running the country today... It sucks to say as i was born and raised in america and it had the best ideals in the world but people are corrupt and that leads to corruption. No matter what, with best intentions comes the worst of men. Sad but true.

Like i said im getting out in the next yr
Posted 3/1/11 , edited 3/1/11

floydsolo wrote:

yes im not talking about a literal famine tho... but in all honest the american way is dead and was bleed to death by the people who are running the country today... It sucks to say as i was born and raised in america and it had the best ideals in the world but people are corrupt and that leads to corruption. No matter what, with best intentions comes the worst of men. Sad but true.

Like i said im getting out in the next yr


It really might not matter dude.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bancor

quote: Since the outbreak of the financial crisis in 2008 Keynes' proposal is winning in importance: In a speech delivered in March 2009 entitled Reform the International Monetary System, Zhou Xiaochuan, the governor of the People's Bank of China called Keynes' bancor approach "farsighted" and proposed the adoption of IMF SDRs as a global reserve currency as a response to the financial crisis of 2007–2010.

He argued that a national currency was unsuitable as a global reserve currency because of the Triffin dilemma - the difficulty faced by reserve currency issuers in trying to simultaneously achieve their domestic monetary policy goals and meet other countries' demand for reserve currency.[1][2] A similar analysis can be found in the Report of the United Nation's "Experts on reforms of the international monetary and financial system" [3] as well as in the IMF's study published on April 13, 2010

A limited alternative would be a world reserve currency issued by the International Monetary Fund, as an evolution of the existing Special Drawing Rights and used as reserve assets by all national and regional central banks. On March 26, 2009, a UN panel of expert economists called for a new global currency reserve scheme to replace the current US dollar-based system. The panel's report pointed out that the "greatly expanded SDR (Special Drawing Rights), with regular or cyclically adjusted emissions calibrated to the size of reserve accumulations, could contribute to global stability, economic strength and global equity." [1]

In addition to the idea of a single world currency, some evidence suggests the world may evolve multiple global currencies that exchange on a singular market system. The rise of digital global currencies such as Ven[14] suggest that multiple global currencies may offer wider formats for trade as they gain strength and wider acceptance.


This is the World Central Bank that are planning these major alternatives. Alternative that would litterally sign the immediate collapse of the United States. If we don't fall into the hole by ourselves, they will throw us in it. It's big news. Yet you won't see it being reported on hah!

The thing is, this may very well lead to the bancor or a revamped IMF. Forms of world currency issued by the Global bank. This would basically be one of the last steps in making every single government, every single human, dependent on a private organization that controls wealth. In other words, the most powerful 'few' in the world are about to get a big promotion.

Thinking long term, it won't matter what country you are in once this happens.
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im not arguing, in fact im agreeing... this is not just about currency but control of the world. This is just a stepping stone to global language and uniformity, it is happening in europe and I think in the next yr that they are going to try and implement it into the world. I will be leaving the USA bc of the fact that the US and China will suffer the most from a radical financial unification. I am willing to be poor in a country that knows how to deal with it.... not a country that is idealistic and will flounder and who knows what will happen
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floydsolo wrote:

im not arguing, in fact im agreeing... this is not just about currency but control of the world. This is just a stepping stone to global language and uniformity, it is happening in europe and I think in the next yr that they are going to try and implement it into the world. I will be leaving the USA bc of the fact that the US and China will suffer the most from a radical financial unification. I am willing to be poor in a country that knows how to deal with it.... not a country that is idealistic and will flounder and who knows what will happen


I know, I just don't know what countries wont feel the effects of this at some point. I suppose the world is coming together. Just not in the way we had all hoped or dreamed of. Isn't there anything at all that can stop the unification of the planet through centralized banking? Besides nukes.

I mean, I am all for having an entire planet of critical thinkers who understand the troubles we face. I'm just not seeing it happen though. It's the largest top to bottom influence in history.

Safe travels dude! I'd leave this country in a heartbeat if I had the resources. I guess I'll have to convince the rest of the country that I am an overly nationalistic patriot for a while longer, I wasn't patriotic enough for my last job
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