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Post Reply What does the BIBLE say about LUCIFER?
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there was this Pastor who said that Lucifer (or Satan) doesn't look like this:



or like this:



or anything related to those above that has horns and a pointed tail and holds a Long Fork look-a-like but:

Lucifer is the most handsome creation. He was also a former Angel and belongs to the three angels (Along with Gabriel and Micheal). Though I'm still searching for websites and Also for a BIBLE SCRIPTURE and prove that Lucifer or Satan Really does look like that. Can anyone help me?
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Hi. I have a few pages from a few website, which I think might help you.

In addition. I would like to point out that demons are seducing spirits, Satan looked beautiful and magnificent before his fall. He was the bearer of light, but by his free will, he chose to look upon his beauty that God had given to Him.

Note 'seducing'. This does not mean in actuality that they look good, but having no form or bodies they can entice and make things that are not of God look beautiful in the eyes of Man. Such is the power of beauty pageants nowadays, as well as media's portrayal of idealism in terms of body image.

Satan looks nothing like the images above, but because of the passage in Revelations, man got the idea that perhaps he has horns. Lucifer's appearance might have changed after his fall, but he is able to make himself look less harmful, less repulsive than he really is.

Notice the ridiculous red horns and fork. That's one of his ways to make people think that he does not exist.

When you do not shut your door at night, it is an unspoken invitation for pests to enter.
Similarly, when you do not believe in his existence and the existence of God, you are without covering.

http://alternative-counseling.org/sp-war/sw-orig.html
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/lucifer.html

This part in Ezekiel is about what God described Satan before his fall: King of Tyre had a double meaning for him and Lucifer:


Lamentation for the King of Tyre

11 Moreover the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 12 “Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD:


You were the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.

13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The sardius, topaz, and diamond,
Beryl, onyx, and jasper,
Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold.
The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes
Was prepared for you on the day you were created.
14 “ You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.

16 “ By the abundance of your trading
You became filled with violence within,
And you sinned;
Therefore I cast you as a profane thing
Out of the mountain of God;

And I destroyed you, O covering cherub,
From the midst of the fiery stones.
17 “ Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor;
I cast you to the ground,
I laid you before kings,
That they might gaze at you.
18 “ You defiled your sanctuaries
By the multitude of your iniquities,
By the iniquity of your trading;
Therefore I brought fire from your midst;
It devoured you,
And I turned you to ashes upon the earth
In the sight of all who saw you.
19 All who knew you among the peoples are astonished at you;
You have become a horror,
And shall be no more forever.”’”


The part about horns is not talking about Satan himself, but I need more research on that one.

This is what is written from the angelfire site: (It's a pretty good site)

What does Satan look like?

We've all seen pictures of Satan portrayed as a hoofed creature, red in color.. with little horns on his head.

But this description is not Biblical. The hoofed being we usually see is actually closer to that of "Pan" from Greek mythology.

Perhaps Satan wants this image of himself to be used, because of its absurdity. Knowing that the day would come when God and the Devil would both be dismissed as "mythical"

Revelation 12:3 speaks of the red horned dragon. This is not Satan himself, but a reference to him from where these physical attributes possibly originate.

Revelation 12:3 (KJV)
And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

The Book of "Ezekiel" tells us what Lucifer really looked like before he sinned.

Lucifer was a being "of perfect beauty". He was covered in every precious stone. He had pendants and jewels of gold...

Lucifer was beautiful before he sinned. An expression of Gods own beauty and power. But like man, Lucifer’s very nature changed when he sinned. His (Lucifer’s) physical appearance may have as well.


This website's article I personally recommend, for he has a long list of sermons and are trustworthy, keeping in line with the word of God.

http://www.exchangedlife.com/Sermons/topical/god_of_this_world.shtml
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hey thanks for that , i'll go check out that verse you gave me ^___^
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does the Bible say that Lucifer's appearance changed after the fall? I don't know if it did since he is supposed to make sin appealing. but then again sin is ugly....
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From what I´ve read he is, indeed a seductive figure. I think that what they meant in the bible is that Satan isn´t a real fallen angel, nor does he exist. Satan is in all of us. It´s greed, it´s giving in to all of your desires despite of how other people might suffer from it. That´s when you´re giving in to the devil.

But oh well, I don´t believe in God or Satan. I think the people who wrote the bible probably didn´t have wrong intentions, but it has turned out being a big disaster for the world nowadays. There are some very good teachings in the bible, but people aren´t thinking for themselves. They´re relying on something that isn´t real. Decieving themselves. It´s a pity.

I just hope that there will be a day that christians start to think for themselves. And they´re like: 'Wait, my neighbour is a really nice guy, but he doesn't believe in God so he'll be going to Hell! That makes no sense! Why am I buying this crap?'. Or when they read the bible again and see that God murdered a lot of people (Like Egyptians), and they think 'Jeez. I believe this is true. I worship a murderer. How wrong is that?'.
And oh well, that kind of stuff.
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In the end, he is doomed, forever to be tormented in the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:10

10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

As for references to which he does exist:

Job 1 - Satan torments Job by killing off his sons, daughters, flocks, herds, etc.
Job 2 - Satan torments Job with painful sores
Zechariah 3 - Satan accuses Joshua (the high priest, not the Joshua who wrote the book Josha), but is rebuked.
Matthew 4:1-10 and Mark 1:13, Luke 4:1-13 Jesus is tempted by Satan, and Jesus defeats Satan
Luke 22:3, John 13:2 - Satan possesses Judas Iscariot
Revelation 20 - Bound in the abyss for 1000 years after which he is released to decieve again for a time, then his armies are destroyed and he is thrown into lake of burning sulfer forever.

Satan exists...he exists and he seeks our utter downfall. If he fails in keeping us from coming to God...then he seeks to oppose us as much as possible.
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They´re relying on something that isn´t real. Decieving themselves. It´s a pity.


Honestly, if I was thinking for myself, I would be doing some pretty horrible stuff right now. Believe me, I lived in L.A. for quite a while, and it isn't fun to live there. The reason why I live for God is that all things that God leads me to do, believe it or not, are all good, productive things. I don't think God would lead me to smoke pot or anything of the sort, so honestly, I feel better doing what God wants me to do.


'Wait, my neighbour is a really nice guy, but he doesn't believe in God so he'll be going to Hell!


Well, that's why we evangelize. I'd have to admit, it's hard for me to evangelize to someone "random", like my neighbor. But if I truly believe that the person next to me, or 500 miles away from me can be saved, I would do my best to evangelize to that person.


God murdered a lot of people (Like Egyptians)


In the Bible, it says that sin leads to death. And because God is the total opposite of sin, He hates sin. Countries like Nineveh (cannibals :O), especially Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of sinful actions. Even God punished the people of Israel for their wicked sins. When David, in his pride, counted the number of people, God punished. When Israel kept going back to false gods, God punished. Every time a judge died, the people went back to false idols, so that God had to bring another judge (this happened like 12 or 13 times xD). When Jesus Christ cried out "My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?" some point out that because Jesus Christ took all the sin in the world to Himself, God, who is righteous and the total opposite of sin, could not bear to even look at Him. We have to remember that God is JUST God. Even in the American criminal justice system, we don't let criminals get away with breaking the law, we punish them. Same thing with God. But that does not change the fact that He is a loving God and a merciful God. Because of His grace and mercy, Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. He is not only loving, but just.

By the way Hitoli, I read your profile info and you said that you were in a terrible mood. Hope you feel better :D
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Well, I live in a place where everything is peaceful and boring. Maybe that's why I don't need religion. In our country, softdrugs are legal though.

Anyway, do you know that story where God kills all the firstborns? I mean, children ffs. That's sick.

And well, I wouldn't want to believe in a god that sends innocent people to hell so that they can burn for all eternity. You know, if there'd be people that said that I don't exist, well, I'd think they're retards, but I wouldn't want them to suffer for eternity. God is just.. evil.
No, and of course he doesn't want people to suffer. Well, then be a good god and make this world a better place.

I don't believe in god. But if he'd exist I'd just.. still hate him.

Oh, and why is everyone being so nice to me here? You don't have to be like OVERnice. I am, after all, offending the thing you value a lot.
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Oh, and why is everyone being so nice to me here? You don't have to be like OVERnice. I am, after all, offending the thing you value a lot.


c'mon, it's not that bad to be overnice xD

No matter what you say or do, my faith in God will not falter. Of course, there may be instances where I will feel helpless, but God never changes, so he remains the faithful God that I love.
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Lol, it's not us who are over nice. Come on, if God didn't give us a heart of love, I'd be spitting at doodoo's (sorry, I couldn't resist) post at some point.

I hated overly nice people. It sickened me. In the past. Now I cannot help BUT want to smile for nothing. It's a happy drug. :D

Hitoli, God loves you even if you hate him. He doesn't hate anyone. He cannot, for IF he is righteous, and He is, He cannot simply say I love those who love me, when he's already established himself as a God of love and faith. He created the universe out of faith you know. He believed that his words would create the things he said, out of nothingness (although this is particularly unsupported, this is what I believe, so please don't try to attack this point as definitive, it's my opinion only ). If God himself had no faith, then he would be a liar through and through. If god loved selectively, he would be a liar through and through. if god wiped out man because of adam and eve's mistake, he would be lying that he said he loved all.

For God so loved the world that he sent his begotten son, Jesus... (John 3:16)
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Hitoli wrote:

Anyway, do you know that story where God kills all the firstborns? I mean, children ffs. That's sick.



Somewhere in Exodus... you know, when pharaoh would not release the Israelites from 400 years of slavery.. and God did warn the guy what would happen...

Ah, you can count on me not being overnice. It's a heck of a struggle for me to be nice. My old sin nature kicks in a lot. I'm not mature enough yet that I love my neighbor.
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Agree with Fae.
If God did not give us a heart of love, we would also have banned you from our grp...
Hope tht you understand tho.
There was a reason why God did all those bad things...
But it saddens Him. Really. He never wanted to do those things. Coz He loves so...
He also hurts when we hurt. God is also our comforter during hard times!
Turn to Him when you are feeling down, kay? It's like telling a friend whom you can trust not to give away your secrets!!
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God of the Old Testament is not God of the New Testament. it's hard to explain but God of the Old Testament still required sacrifices to be made to him. The context of the Old Testament is something we need to think about, we are not the Old Covenant people, we are the new convenant people. Jesus came to us after the Old Testament was written, he because the ultimate sacrifice so that we no longer need to sacrifice. He destroyed entire cities in the Old Testament but not in the New Testament. He is the same God but he no longer wanted us to require to sacrifice. It saddens me that the faith of a century ago was much stronger than it is now. People seem to want to think for themselves and they think that religion restricts that. In fact Chrisitanity and other religions (as far as I know) allow free will and freedom of thought and speech. It is how we choose to think, how to act, not what we are told to do, though people seem to miss this point. Free will is a gift that we have been given, just as it was given to Lucifer (who did and does exist and was thrown from God's presence). It is what we choose to do with that free will that defines who we are as humans and God's children.
Satan thought he could overthrow God and therefore was thrown from God's presence. Yet here we are, whether we believe or not, we are all loved unconditionally. It is something that we can all boast, even if we havent recieved it on earth. There are people who believe in God but choose not to follow him. I have met them. There are also people who deal in the spiritual realm and deal with demons. They are all fools because they only think they know what they are doing. yet they are being used. People are never innocent. "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". Innocence is lost as we grow up so if someone dies without believing but given the chance to belive and refusing, are thrown into hell. It's not a scare tactic, it's what it is.
Understand, The Bible is not something that has been given to us to blindly follow. That is very foolish. It was given to us as guidlines. if we do not understand something then we MUST ask questions. if we do not think the answer we get is right then we need to ask more questions. Christianity is not a blind faith. It's a faith of growing and learning. just like the rest of life.
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