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meh, if this bill will result in more quality anime's like the classic cowboy bebop, macross, 5 centimeters per second, clannad, etc. i wouldn't mind it. however, i will miss shows like Sora no Otoshimono, Ochinko, ore no imouto, etc.

i don't know much about the bill, but if it only affects the shows that goes in to JP TV but not dvd/ova's. then it wouldn't be as bad.
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In case anybody is not clear on the history or content of the tokyo bill 156:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/editorial/2010-12-28

This is about censorship and politics. It is not about creating better anime.
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Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:

funny part irashi is not running for re-election this term. I like some of my pervy anime "to love ru" I really do but sometimes i do want something more but as I have stated before somethings due to the net, torrents and so forth are just not meant to be seen by western culture or viewers. I also find this funny that he made his security "he didn't have the balls" to buy ero manga him self to read to get the gist of what he was purposing to ban to sell to minors "oh wait those are meant for people 18 plus and not affected by the bill"


Maybe not but someone in his party is likely to benefit in the hype or hope to draw on it. Plus there's always the idea that he's looking to go out with a bang in his career at this stage. Lets also consider that there is a lot of smut, I'm refering to the underage stuff. Which seems to be what the bill is "supposedly" more geared for. And yes the anime that doesn't draw on that will be affected. But the anime industry makes a lot of money and money pays for campaigning, its not going to die over this. It started before these kinds of bills, it'll survive after.

Consider the US's censorship to anime. Sailor Moon got edited to cut out 5 or 6 episodes due to concerns over incest, murder and death. The incest part was stupid. It was her little brother having a crush on Sailor Moon not knowing she was his sister. I don't remember anyone editing Star Wars when Leia kissed Luke. Characters were even changed over homosexual concerns. Voltron got edited to avoid the death in the first few episodes. Pokemon suffered it due to bikini cross dressing bit (stupid reason). One Piece, the cook got changed so that he had a sucker instead of a cigarette in the televised versions. Theres tons more.

I enjoy the ocassional skirt fly ups, the bouncing cleavage, bath house scenes and such fanservice as well but I can also agree that some animes rely on it too much. Overall if the bill passes its not going to end everything. There'll be changes but world of anime will go on, maybe a few less panty shots but then you can savour them even more.


believe me i am more than aware of sailor moon.. don't even get me started the worst was card captor sakura cutting out 41 episodes is beyond retarded and sailor moon/ccs is one of the few that i have actually torrented to watch because screw it they will never get a nice re-release here. Also they cut out the last season of sailor moon called sailor stars due to crossing dressing nudity etc, that was around another 32 episodes cut because of the "racy content". All of this aside a bill should not force companies to change I hated kiss x sis but still watched it for shock value and qwaser could have been good well... never mind. The companies need to do this themselves not the government but then again anime is looked down on in general in japan because of the media and the way it porttays people that like. Kind like here with games
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Ugh, the bill...

Part of me hopes that it passes so it can restrict the dimishing dignity of women and fanservice scenes, but I don't like the fact that it also impacts largely on animes. Like everybody else has said: it may ruin a good anime. So...why don't they just have a rating system, or a company that creates a few restricting rules about scenes that are "too much"? Governments are good at that...
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Natsumi_Fyoko wrote:

Ugh, the bill...

Part of me hopes that it passes so it can restrict the diminishing dignity of women and fanservice scenes, but I don't like the fact that it also impacts largely on animes. Like everybody else has said: it may ruin a good anime. So...why don't they just have a rating system, or a company that creates a few restricting rules about scenes that are "too much"? Governments are good at that...


there is a rating system in place as far as i know but it's not enforced since some of the people that are underage can actually draw porn themselves males and females from the standard kind to boys love for woman and rape which I hate. I see them as drawings nothing more nothing less sure sometimes I do get excited at some points but the older you get the more you stop caring about it or least that's the way I feel now. Some only seem to think this affects nudity or fan service "this also applies to yaio/yuri even clean parings as well", it also affects showing bad guys as hero's "bleez bub, cow boy bepbop, naruto, dbz etc." Showing excessive amounts of violence and so forth. The bill is way to vauge as it is long and for those who don't know it did pass so what the effects are going to be by spring or summer are yet to be seen. If you read my previous post you will understand a little more of what I mean as well sadly we can't do nothing we are in the minority here and our opinions for another country don't count for squat.
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Posted 2/27/11

BartFargo wrote:

In case anybody is not clear on the history or content of the tokyo bill 156:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/editorial/2010-12-28

This is about censorship and politics. It is not about creating better anime.



ofcourse it doesn't directly do it -- i understand that the bill is not for creating better anime. but the possibility of it happening as an uncalculated effect of the bill is not zero.

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aWatcher wrote:


BartFargo wrote:

In case anybody is not clear on the history or content of the tokyo bill 156:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/editorial/2010-12-28

This is about censorship and politics. It is not about creating better anime.



ofcourse it doesn't directly do it -- i understand that the bill is not for creating better anime. but the possibility of it happening as an uncalculated effect of the bill is not zero.



For the people who read other forums and japanese news sources, you would have noticed two things.
Firstly, the bill doesn't just target perverted or ecchi anime. The bill is against non-education anime, or if you want a closer translation, anime that isn't beneficial to young people's growth. In other words, if the bill passes and is taken to it's extreme, action anime or even anime with darker themes could be removed. Of course, it's unlikely that this will happen to that extent, yet many anime will definitely be censored for their coarse language and violent content.
Secondly, the bill asks for inappropriate anime not to stop being produced, but to be moved to an adult section. Though this doesn't seem so bad, as most subbers are probably over eighteen and entitled to buy their anime, this means that the production companies will lose bucketloads of
money. They can't broadcast on TV, except at midnight hours (And they'd be lucky if they could get that), and the majority of their fanbases (Let's face it, most people who watch ecchi aren't adults) won't be able to legally access their anime.
In turn, this causes the animation companies to love money, and eventually they'll either be forced to lower their production values and make cheap pathetic anime, or give up entirely and make some unenjoyable childish crap. Or just give up.
I'm sorry, I don't see how better anime can be created from this bill, mate.
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FalseFallacy wrote:


aWatcher wrote:


BartFargo wrote:

In case anybody is not clear on the history or content of the tokyo bill 156:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/editorial/2010-12-28

This is about censorship and politics. It is not about creating better anime.



ofcourse it doesn't directly do it -- i understand that the bill is not for creating better anime. but the possibility of it happening as an uncalculated effect of the bill is not zero.



For the people who read other forums and japanese news sources, you would have noticed two things.
Firstly, the bill doesn't just target perverted or ecchi anime. The bill is against non-education anime, or if you want a closer translation, anime that isn't beneficial to young people's growth. In other words, if the bill passes and is taken to it's extreme, action anime or even anime with darker themes could be removed. Of course, it's unlikely that this will happen to that extent, yet many anime will definitely be censored for their coarse language and violent content.
Secondly, the bill asks for inappropriate anime not to stop being produced, but to be moved to an adult section. Though this doesn't seem so bad, as most subbers are probably over eighteen and entitled to buy their anime, this means that the production companies will lose bucketloads of
money. They can't broadcast on TV, except at midnight hours (And they'd be lucky if they could get that), and the majority of their fanbases (Let's face it, most people who watch ecchi aren't adults) won't be able to legally access their anime.
In turn, this causes the animation companies to love money, and eventually they'll either be forced to lower their production values and make cheap pathetic anime, or give up entirely and make some unenjoyable childish crap. Or just give up.
I'm sorry, I don't see how better anime can be created from this bill, mate.


the otaku/fusijoshi in japan are the ones with the jobs and dvd/bluray buying power. they also are the type that are "lonely" and don't care to see naked animated girls because that's as close as they are going to get some of the same goes for girls and boys love materials but it's easier for woman to a partner than a man. I know i am stereotyping a bit but most Japanese kids respect their parents and I highly doubt they are up past midnight watching anime with the more focus of study placed upon them in order to succded., again a little stereo typing but hell this isn't lukcy star or my little sister can't be this cute. I also agree with what you say most don't seem to reliaze how much the bill really covers and that's the funny part.
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Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:


FalseFallacy wrote:


aWatcher wrote:


BartFargo wrote:

In case anybody is not clear on the history or content of the tokyo bill 156:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/editorial/2010-12-28

This is about censorship and politics. It is not about creating better anime.



ofcourse it doesn't directly do it -- i understand that the bill is not for creating better anime. but the possibility of it happening as an uncalculated effect of the bill is not zero.



For the people who read other forums and japanese news sources, you would have noticed two things.
Firstly, the bill doesn't just target perverted or ecchi anime. The bill is against non-education anime, or if you want a closer translation, anime that isn't beneficial to young people's growth. In other words, if the bill passes and is taken to it's extreme, action anime or even anime with darker themes could be removed. Of course, it's unlikely that this will happen to that extent, yet many anime will definitely be censored for their coarse language and violent content.
Secondly, the bill asks for inappropriate anime not to stop being produced, but to be moved to an adult section. Though this doesn't seem so bad, as most subbers are probably over eighteen and entitled to buy their anime, this means that the production companies will lose bucketloads of
money. They can't broadcast on TV, except at midnight hours (And they'd be lucky if they could get that), and the majority of their fanbases (Let's face it, most people who watch ecchi aren't adults) won't be able to legally access their anime.
In turn, this causes the animation companies to love money, and eventually they'll either be forced to lower their production values and make cheap pathetic anime, or give up entirely and make some unenjoyable childish crap. Or just give up.
I'm sorry, I don't see how better anime can be created from this bill, mate.


the otaku/fusijoshi in japan are the ones with the jobs and dvd/bluray buying power. they also are the type that are "lonely" and don't care to see naked animated girls because that's as close as they are going to get some of the same goes for girls and boys love materials but it's easier for woman to a partner than a man. I know i am stereotyping a bit but most Japanese kids respect their parents and I highly doubt they are up past midnight watching anime with the more focus of study placed upon them in order to succded., again a little stereo typing but hell this isn't lukcy star or my little sister can't be this cute. I also agree with what you say most don't seem to reliaze how much the bill really covers and that's the funny part.


Fujoshi, not fushijoshi. Good point, I amazingly forgot about the army of adult otakus. *facepalms*
But other than that, yes it's mercilessly unclear what the implications of the bill are, right now. Because the way it's worded right now makes it very malleable, and can easily be taken advantage of and manipulated easily.
Does anyone know if Japan practices common law? It's unlikely, but if Japan does, we're in for even more trouble.
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Hardly anything will change. The Japanese usually make a habit of going no further than putting things down on paper, e.g. Article 14 of their constitution.
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Sums up Ishihara's (the girl with twintails wearing white) view:


Comic can be bought here -> http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/switch-language/product/B004H0OCYY/ref=dp_change_lang?ie=UTF8&language=en_JP


The authors have also given their express permission to freely distribute it online, so long as you don't profit on it.
Download: http://www.mediafire.com/?j8pkn9vx50hg5gr

But if you want to support what the authors are doing, please do buy it, I did myself.
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Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:


Kodess wrote:


Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:

funny part irashi is not running for re-election this term. I like some of my pervy anime "to love ru" I really do but sometimes i do want something more but as I have stated before somethings due to the net, torrents and so forth are just not meant to be seen by western culture or viewers. I also find this funny that he made his security "he didn't have the balls" to buy ero manga him self to read to get the gist of what he was purposing to ban to sell to minors "oh wait those are meant for people 18 plus and not affected by the bill"


Maybe not but someone in his party is likely to benefit in the hype or hope to draw on it. Plus there's always the idea that he's looking to go out with a bang in his career at this stage. Lets also consider that there is a lot of smut, I'm refering to the underage stuff. Which seems to be what the bill is "supposedly" more geared for. And yes the anime that doesn't draw on that will be affected. But the anime industry makes a lot of money and money pays for campaigning, its not going to die over this. It started before these kinds of bills, it'll survive after.

Consider the US's censorship to anime. Sailor Moon got edited to cut out 5 or 6 episodes due to concerns over incest, murder and death. The incest part was stupid. It was her little brother having a crush on Sailor Moon not knowing she was his sister. I don't remember anyone editing Star Wars when Leia kissed Luke. Characters were even changed over homosexual concerns. Voltron got edited to avoid the death in the first few episodes. Pokemon suffered it due to bikini cross dressing bit (stupid reason). One Piece, the cook got changed so that he had a sucker instead of a cigarette in the televised versions. Theres tons more.

I enjoy the ocassional skirt fly ups, the bouncing cleavage, bath house scenes and such fanservice as well but I can also agree that some animes rely on it too much. Overall if the bill passes its not going to end everything. There'll be changes but world of anime will go on, maybe a few less panty shots but then you can savour them even more.


believe me i am more than aware of sailor moon.. don't even get me started the worst was card captor sakura cutting out 41 episodes is beyond retarded and sailor moon/ccs is one of the few that i have actually torrented to watch because screw it they will never get a nice re-release here. Also they cut out the last season of sailor moon called sailor stars due to crossing dressing nudity etc, that was around another 32 episodes cut because of the "racy content". All of this aside a bill should not force companies to change I hated kiss x sis but still watched it for shock value and qwaser could have been good well... never mind. The companies need to do this themselves not the government but then again anime is looked down on in general in japan because of the media and the way it porttays people that like. Kind like here with games <_<




Glad you both mentioned the two worse anime dubs of all time: Sailor Moon and Cardcaptor Sakura. And also let me add in that in these dubs, most of the names, attack names, and others where changed altogether. Especially in Sailor Moon!

Also the Starlights didn't exactly cross dress, they changed into guys in civilian form. You forgot about Sailor Uranus and Neptune being in a relationship, yet in the dub your intelligence was insulted by making them "cousins".

Look there's always been a double standard against anime on American TV. But now that places like Crunchyroll are out there where you can just watch anime online, we don't have to worry about this anymore.
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Posted 1/15/12

kardonius wrote:


bhl88 wrote:

Sums up Ishihara's (the girl with twintails wearing white) view:


Comic can be bought here -> http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/switch-language/product/B004H0OCYY/ref=dp_change_lang?ie=UTF8&language=en_JP


The authors have also given their express permission to freely distribute it online, so long as you don't profit on it.
Download: http://www.mediafire.com/?j8pkn9vx50hg5gr

But if you want to support what the authors are doing, please do buy it, I did myself.


Bought three copies XD. Too bad the cover is.... questionable.
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What does this bill actually want to do? It's not another one of those copyright things is it? :/
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What does this bill actually want to do? It's not another one of those copyright things is it? :/


You'll love it. Basically, it wants to ban sexually explicit content from all anime and manga.
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