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This is a fansub group that even did a joke about 9/11. I'm not buying this at all.
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zombehs wrote: Lulz you're telling me you actually believe that the USA, more importantly the FBI, can't sieze private domains? Are you serious or just trolling? Oh and yeah go sue the FBI, see how that works out for you rofls.

ts, of course they can. But not edit it and put up stuff on it...
They don't have to edit the private servers, they just have to order the Domain Name Server to point the internet address to an FBI server, which displays the takedown notice.


panzerveps wrote: ... Forcing sites to shut down, and suing everyone who downloads a song for quadrillions of internet dollars is not the way to do it.
There's a big difference between suing a set of people who download for $100 each and shutting down a site that distributed bootlegs.

Shutting down popular bootleg distribution sites is a perfectly reasonable thing for companies to do, especially where the site is run in whole or in part for commercial purposes, as with Dattebayo LLC using their site to advertise translation services.

It is a big step between shutting down a site attempting to gain commercial benefit from distributing bootlegs and suing individuals who download or stream the bootlegs.


cgrascal wrote: This is a fansub group that even did a joke about 9/11. I'm not buying this at all.
OTOH, this is Dattebayo. If they had to move servers and were going to be down for a while as a result, I could see them faking a shutdown. Of course, doing that would be an easy way to get their business shut down and its assets seized, since faking an FBI notice is one easy way to guarantee a real FBI investigation.
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People are forgetting the most important part they suck over all as fan-sub group they over exggerative in there so called subs and just do a half assed job to make people happy. Yeah i still down fan-subs time to time but not once I have ever used them in my life, in the past 7 years of doing so. If not for crucnhyroll, anime network, and hulu I would probably still be torreting every single anime that does come out.
Posted 2/28/11 , edited 2/28/11

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Mikiocn wrote:

Seems like troll bait. I mean, they stopped subbing certain anime because of the legality of it, I recall.

I'm not entirely sure though, but given their history of these kind of pranks, it wouldn't completely surprise me.


Haven't you heard of the illegal seizures of about 70 + bittorrent related websites? It happened a little over a month ago, and websites like torrentfinder had this exact page displayed.

Here is one of that articles http://www.prisonplanet.com/us-government-seizure-of-the-internet-has-begun-dhs-takes-over-76-websites.html

It is not a joke, and it's actually HIGHLY ILLEGAL to put that up as fraud. It makes the legalities of being a fansubber looks like a joke in comparison. The sad thing is they seized these sites by bypassing the 4th and 14th amendments, thus it was an unconstitutional seizure of websites which is something I have been upset over for a while.

The US government is starting to regulate the internet in an attempt to censor information similar to china and many middle eastern dictatorships. This is not good for anybody who enjoys their civil liberties.


Illegal seizures? No, honestly I haven't. I read news articles all the time regarding technology/internet news, but haven't came across anything like that. Although, I never heard of that source you gave so, maybe that's why.

I thought the issue was the websites were promoting illegal downloading and breaking copy right content, etc? So the US government wants to put a stop to it and are taking action by closing the sites illegally? Hm, interesting. I don't think it really is the same as China though, I mean, we are comparing a country that censors everything vs preventing copyright violation. I think you're getting ahead of yourself there. ^_~



I understand perfectly well we are not similar to china as far as censorship goes. However something that can't be disputed is that we have been taking small steps in that direction, especially after the Wikileaks incident. Alongside the patriot act which acts as a constitutional side step, an internet kill switch has been passed into law, along side many other recent bills being proposed to give government more power over information. Even the FCC is trying to find a way to get into the internet business of regulating content.

One of the common misconceptions is what the overall intent is for these steps. Many excuse them because they are catered towards baser fears like terrorism, or security and copyright laws. Well a hard look at history always shows that the government never uses laws exactly for their proposed purposes, especially ones that grant them the power to regulate information. You give them power through your own fear of something, and they can use it to help you, and also to suppress you.

Also, torrentfinder, which was the example given in the article I posted. They didn't have any copyright material. They merely provided links to the downloads of different torrent software which could be used to run p2p downloads, which is not illegal. The reason it was seized, along with the collateral of 50,000 members on the website, was because one or two people posted links on the forum to an illegal download. So what If I provided a 'link' to a website hosting an illegal download in the CR forum games, and all of a sudden crunchyroll was gone forever?

The united states is far from vulnerable from the same issues other nations face, and unfortunately history has already proven that with many examples from steps in the past our own government has taken, and the governments of other nations that had operated almost identically to the united states.
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Would suck if its true. I really enjoyed the subbing style of Dattebayo.Now that the US Gov is into this things are going to get strange. If someone has deep enuf pockets it may go to th Supreme Court. Generally this will cost a boatload of cash.

PirateBay.org has been in court a long time and then they go the shaft.

If we all let the sites stand alone they will fall. if they dont join forces it will mean the start of the loss of freedom.

Don't belive me? Just stick your head back in the sand.
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varnlestoff wrote:
I understand perfectly well we are not similar to china as far as censorship goes. However something that can't be disputed is that we have been taking small steps in that direction, especially after the Wikileaks incident. Alongside the patriot act which acts as a constitutional side step, an internet kill switch has been passed into law, along side many other recent bills being proposed to give government more power over information. Even the FCC is trying to find a way to get into the internet business of regulating content.
...

None of this has anything to do with taking down torrent sites that host bootlegs. There is nothing whatsoever illegal about that. Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution,

known as the Copyright Clause, the Copyright and Patent Clause (or Patent and Copyright Clause), the Intellectual Property Clause and the Progress Clause, empowers the United States Congress:

“To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.
The abuse of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act involves filing bogus claims against a site in order to harass the site. But if it is like Dattebayo LLC, a group and a site that is established to trample on the legitimate rights of the people who actually do the work, that is a proper and legitimate use of the law.
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Well considering that about 70 other torrent sites were seized at the same time Dattebayo was, I am guessing it is not actually a troll. An example of this would be www.torrent-finder.com. While it does suck that Dattebayo was seized, at the same time they have not really done anything worth while in a few months and were all but dead anyway.
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I pretty much agree with you on that but there does need to be limit some where. I heard of acts where they want to make it illegal to back up your dvd's, games, movies, cd's etc. That's going a little over board to be honest with you, When I actually do buy something I payed for it with my hard eraned money to show my support for them. If not for consumers like me "yes the irony in my other post, i should have posted that I used to torrent but it was the only way to see what a series was like before streaming, and buy anime is a hobby not a necessity." That aside the DMCA covers a broad speculation of things no matter if an anime is "licensed" or not it is still illegal to down-load it not matter what because of the act, because in the country it's coming from it's still copyrighted there. I choose to pick my own battles with that but again that's just me. Some people need to relaize that but on the other term it's on the side if some on cares of not.
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kennk5 wrote:

Would suck if its true. I really enjoyed the subbing style of Dattebayo.Now that the US Gov is into this things are going to get strange. If someone has deep enuf pockets it may go to th Supreme Court. Generally this will cost a boatload of cash.

PirateBay.org has been in court a long time and then they go the shaft.

If we all let the sites stand alone they will fall. if they dont join forces it will mean the start of the loss of freedom.

Don't belive me? Just stick your head back in the sand.


Freedom? So being able to illegally trade files, protected by various laws that would make it illegal, is freedom? Freedom of what? There are perfectly legal files available through the sites, yes, but do you really think that's what a majority of people go there for?

On topic, I don't have much to say as I don't really pay attention to who subs what.
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kennk5 wrote:

Would suck if its true. I really enjoyed the subbing style of Dattebayo.Now that the US Gov is into this things are going to get strange. If someone has deep enuf pockets it may go to th Supreme Court. Generally this will cost a boatload of cash.

PirateBay.org has been in court a long time and then they go the shaft.

If we all let the sites stand alone they will fall. if they dont join forces it will mean the start of the loss of freedom.

Don't belive me? Just stick your head back in the sand.


Freedom? So being able to illegally trade files, protected by various laws that would make it illegal, is freedom? Freedom of what? There are perfectly legal files available through the sites, yes, but do you really think that's what a majority of people go there for?

On topic, I don't have much to say as I don't really pay attention to who subs what.


it's getting where posting this sequence of numbers can have me thrown in prison but to be blunt I don't care. It's just numbers and words it's the tools that people make with them that can be legal or illegal just like torrents and file sharing.

ps3-root-key

erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D
pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19
R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17
n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1
K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D
Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70
Posted 2/28/11 , edited 2/28/11

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varnlestoff wrote:
I understand perfectly well we are not similar to china as far as censorship goes. However something that can't be disputed is that we have been taking small steps in that direction, especially after the Wikileaks incident. Alongside the patriot act which acts as a constitutional side step, an internet kill switch has been passed into law, along side many other recent bills being proposed to give government more power over information. Even the FCC is trying to find a way to get into the internet business of regulating content.
...

None of this has anything to do with taking down torrent sites that host bootlegs. There is nothing whatsoever illegal about that. Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution,

known as the Copyright Clause, the Copyright and Patent Clause (or Patent and Copyright Clause), the Intellectual Property Clause and the Progress Clause, empowers the United States Congress:

“To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.
The abuse of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act involves filing bogus claims against a site in order to harass the site. But if it is like Dattebayo LLC, a group and a site that is established to trample on the legitimate rights of the people who actually do the work, that is a proper and legitimate use of the law.


That's just it. Torrentfinder wasn't a 'bootleg' website. It was a legit torrent finding site that lead you to the downloads of different peer 2 peer clients. Also, the very fact that they are exercising such censorship should be a sign to everybody that the internet is going to begin changing from a free source of information to a government regulated product.

'Government regulation'. Not a term that should be defended lightly. Especially with how many people that don't understand how risky it is to place our civil liberties in the hands of more centralized authority with the loosely defined excuse of protecting private interest in the corporate media sector.

Also, the copyright clause does not grant the government authority to seize any private domain without abiding by the fourth and fourteenth amendments. In this specific case, the DHS bypassed the amendments to immediately shut down these websites which would normally be a direct breach of our civil liberties and completely breaking net neutrality law.

If this were as simple as bootlegging they could easily have achieved warrants through reasonable suspicion. They did not, hence this was an act that was used through the justification of the patriot act in a time of unrest due to the wikileaks incident. In short, it's a small power grab. Or breaking in the glove, so to speak. A perfect example of government using a law for something other than it's purpose. The patriot act does not exist to protect corporate interest, and yet they are easily capable of legally doing so with that the bill in law.
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Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote: I pretty much agree with you on that but there does need to be limit some where. I heard of acts where they want to make it illegal to back up your dvd's, games, movies, cd's etc. That's going a little over board to be honest with you,
There's a serious risk all the time, since its normally the wealthiest companies that get the most influence on how the law is written. There should always be judicial review, for example ~ closing down a site just because the FBI or a public prosecutor says so, with no independent oversight, is wrong.

I'm old enough to remember when the courts decided that using VHS to time-shift TV broadcasts was legal, and renting Videos was legal. But the courts are a lot more corporation friendly today, so they might not decide that way again.


That aside the DMCA covers a broad speculation of things no matter if an anime is "licensed" or not it is still illegal to down-load it not matter what because of the act, because in the country it's coming from it's still copyrighted there.
The copyright existing from the moment of creation has been in place for close to a century in Japan and most of Europe. The US got that in the 1980's when we signed onto the Berne Copyright Convention.

So it was always illegal to fansub unlicensed anime throughout the 90's, its just that its a civil offense, and since it was a fringe activity that did not have enough total number of tapes to substantially affect the market, nobody bothered to sue.

But with millions and millions of bootleg downloads of Hollywood movies each year, the torrent sites who thought they could keep on getting away with it in bigger and bigger numbers because they got away with it before were just fooling themselves. The only way to have a reasonable chance of getting away with bootleg distribution is to stay small scale and low profile.

It seems like Dattebayo got caught in that same sweep, which is not surprising because they operated a long established and high profile bootleg torrent distribution system.


varnlestoff wrote: That's just it. Torrentfinder wasn't a 'bootleg' website. It was a legit torrent finding site that lead you to the downloads of different peer 2 peer clients. ...
... to download bootlegs.

And what does that have to do with Dattebayo? To quote the Torrentfinder claims in their own defense:

"When a site has no tracker, carries no torrents, lists no copyright works unless someone searches for them and responds just like Google, accusing it of infringement becomes somewhat of a minefield
... is no defense of a site like Dattebayo that lists copyrighted works and has a tracker.

{Now, I would note that while Google has a tool to request the removal of links to sites that violate applicable laws, it does not seem that TorrentFinder has that, so the claim they make that they are "just like Google" seems a bit far fetched. And of course, if they remove all of the sites that they link to that download bootleg materials, their hits and ad revenue will plummet, because getting bootlegs is the primary reason to use the site. Except that would be a change of topic, because the topic at hand is Dattebayo, not Torrentfinder.}
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varnlestoff wrote:


Mikiocn wrote:


varnlestoff wrote:


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Seems like troll bait. I mean, they stopped subbing certain anime because of the legality of it, I recall.

I'm not entirely sure though, but given their history of these kind of pranks, it wouldn't completely surprise me.


Haven't you heard of the illegal seizures of about 70 + bittorrent related websites? It happened a little over a month ago, and websites like torrentfinder had this exact page displayed.

Here is one of that articles http://www.prisonplanet.com/us-government-seizure-of-the-internet-has-begun-dhs-takes-over-76-websites.html

It is not a joke, and it's actually HIGHLY ILLEGAL to put that up as fraud. It makes the legalities of being a fansubber looks like a joke in comparison. The sad thing is they seized these sites by bypassing the 4th and 14th amendments, thus it was an unconstitutional seizure of websites which is something I have been upset over for a while.

The US government is starting to regulate the internet in an attempt to censor information similar to china and many middle eastern dictatorships. This is not good for anybody who enjoys their civil liberties.


Illegal seizures? No, honestly I haven't. I read news articles all the time regarding technology/internet news, but haven't came across anything like that. Although, I never heard of that source you gave so, maybe that's why.

I thought the issue was the websites were promoting illegal downloading and breaking copy right content, etc? So the US government wants to put a stop to it and are taking action by closing the sites illegally? Hm, interesting. I don't think it really is the same as China though, I mean, we are comparing a country that censors everything vs preventing copyright violation. I think you're getting ahead of yourself there. ^_~



I understand perfectly well we are not similar to china as far as censorship goes. However something that can't be disputed is that we have been taking small steps in that direction, especially after the Wikileaks incident. Alongside the patriot act which acts as a constitutional side step, an internet kill switch has been passed into law, along side many other recent bills being proposed to give government more power over information. Even the FCC is trying to find a way to get into the internet business of regulating content.

One of the common misconceptions is what the overall intent is for these steps. Many excuse them because they are catered towards baser fears like terrorism, or security and copyright laws. Well a hard look at history always shows that the government never uses laws exactly for their proposed purposes, especially ones that grant them the power to regulate information. You give them power through your own fear of something, and they can use it to help you, and also to suppress you.

Also, torrentfinder, which was the example given in the article I posted. They didn't have any copyright material. They merely provided links to the downloads of different torrent software which could be used to run p2p downloads, which is not illegal. The reason it was seized, along with the collateral of 50,000 members on the website, was because one or two people posted links on the forum to an illegal download. So what If I provided a 'link' to a website hosting an illegal download in the CR forum games, and all of a sudden crunchyroll was gone forever?

The united states is far from vulnerable from the same issues other nations face, and unfortunately history has already proven that with many examples from steps in the past our own government has taken, and the governments of other nations that had operated almost identically to the united states.


Actually, that can be disputed. Speculating theories doesn't equal facts, and I mean no disrespect towards you when I say that. Anyway, I have no interest in getting into a political debate, which I feel this conversation is heading in that direction. Take care. ^_^
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a quick look at the DNS for it spells it out simply. The site was NOT (or) is currently NOT seized, given that the OP was 21 hours ago its highly unlikly it was Seized and then handed back over.

The site is down at this time connection refused. Thats server side thou, not DNS side. i would have to say you got trolled just before a planned outage. My guess is they are either doing server maint or moving to a new provider

But as of right now they resolve correctly to 216.18.227.254 which ARIN has listed as a HOST out of Seattle Washington.

If this was a Seized domain it would point to the FBIs server.
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Yes, I think the the Goverment Take over stuff has to be BS. They don't really care. If Dattebayo is offline for good, it's probably to support Crunchyroll, Funimation, Viz.... for embracing quick subbed anime streams for cheap.
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