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Dattebayo Has Been Seized
Posted 3/1/11 , edited 3/1/11

Mikiocn wrote:

It's too late, there's no take backs ya baka! >_< I win this and that's the end of this debate!! ^_____________________________^

o_O XD


You didn't even read my comment? Nice. Your posts certainly seem to have an objective .

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Mikiocn wrote:

It's too late, there's no take backs ya baka! >_< I win this and that's the end of this debate!! ^_____________________________^

o_O XD


You didn't even read my comment? Nice. Your posts certainly seem to have an objective .

:c


I read your comment, relax a bit, I'm only teasin'. ^_~
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Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote: i know there is not just cause for downloading bootlegs whatever the reason is but the only i use is the old well "funimation or license company drops a series and it's still on going in japan or it was censored/cut past the point of being ridiculous "sailor moon and card captor sakura come to mind over 30 epiosdes cut from each." it's happened with case closed, shin-chan, higurashi, familiar of zero "i know the last two are license rescues but come on it's been over 2-3 years since they where last aired in japan".


I think there are five levels of fansubbery. ALL are, of course, illegal, but each level gets harder to justify, and by the time we hit level 5, its gotten down to the level of the slimy fungus that grows underneath the pond scum:
(1) Fansubbing shows that are not licensed and likely never will be
(2) Fansubbing unlicensed shows that are likely to be licensed or its too early to say.
(3) Fansubbing licensed shows with no simulcast before their international release
(4) Fansubbing licensed shows with a simulcast
(5) Ripping a subtitle from a licensed simulcast due to either laziness or general overall incompetence

When there is so much of (4) and (5) going on, I'm not going to bother worrying about (1) and (2). I'm not watching any fansubs at all at the moment, but OTOH between the historical k-dramas here at Crunchyroll and streaming movies at Netflix, I've got more legit media to watch than I have time to get around to. If things go so tight I had to give up my Netflix, I couldn't say for sure whether or not I'd scratch the itch to see Rose of Versailles and Legend of the Galactic Heroes.
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Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote: i know there is not just cause for downloading bootlegs whatever the reason is but the only i use is the old well "funimation or license company drops a series and it's still on going in japan or it was censored/cut past the point of being ridiculous "sailor moon and card captor sakura come to mind over 30 epiosdes cut from each." it's happened with case closed, shin-chan, higurashi, familiar of zero "i know the last two are license rescues but come on it's been over 2-3 years since they where last aired in japan".


I think there are five levels of fansubbery. ALL are, of course, illegal, but each level gets harder to justify, and by the time we hit level 5, its gotten down to the level of the slimy fungus that grows underneath the pond scum:
(1) Fansubbing shows that are not licensed and likely never will be
(2) Fansubbing unlicensed shows that are likely to be licensed or its too early to say.
(3) Fansubbing licensed shows with no simulcast before their international release
(4) Fansubbing licensed shows with a simulcast
(5) Ripping a subtitle from a licensed simulcast due to either laziness or general overall incompetence

When there is so much of (4) and (5) going on, I'm not going to bother worrying about (1) and (2). I'm not watching any fansubs at all at the moment, but OTOH between the historical k-dramas here at Crunchyroll and streaming movies at Netflix, I've got more legit media to watch than I have time to get around to. If things go so tight I had to give up my Netflix, I couldn't say for sure whether or not I'd scratch the itch to see Rose of Versailles and Legend of the Galactic Heroes.


Pretty much so the shows that aren't picked up for license expect for magical madokoa from what i heard are not worth watching this season. I can't say that for all seasons though but this season really surprised due to the fact that nearly 80 percent where licensed which is good thing to cut down on piracy but some one like "horrible subs" is not going to go away because of there location. It's harder to press charges and cease and desists in countries like Egypt or god forbid china where you can even buy bot-leg anime off the corner street. All of this aside I have a feeling something drastic is going to happen really soon with this what that could is up for speculation.
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I did not read past page 1 but ICE is definitely doing illegal things and they claim that it is all a matter of national security. If this keeps going we need to fight back and take down the government or move to the middle east since the hard part of starting the fight is taken care of.
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Also they have no right to get involved in this because all they can be charged is with a CIVIL case that would have to be started of the owner of the content. If it were ILLEGAL in a CRIMINAL sense they would have been arrested.
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Arrests and fines could still happen, we may not hear about it though.
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You do realize that Dattebayo did the exact same thing back in 2007 with the exact same message?

They were quite douches from what I saw, so their passing will go unmourned.
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seanthenry wrote: I did not read past page 1 but ICE is definitely doing illegal things and they claim that it is all a matter of national security. If this keeps going we need to fight back and take down the government or move to the middle east since the hard part of starting the fight is taken care of.
If the bootleg crossed national borders, then Customs has jurisdiction to get involved. No question that Customs has jurisdiction on the bootleg torrents that DB was tracking, since the original media was produced in Japan.

Obviously they have jurisdiction in any torrent trackers that are located outside the country and assisting in the distribution of bootlegs in the US, or that track bootlegs of media that originated outside the US.

And obviously those who have been caught engaged in the distribution of bootleg media or who relied on these sites to get their bootleg media are going to try to pretend that this is all about free speech, but what it really is all about is trying to get entertainment without paying for it.

There are serious problems with copyright enforcement in this country, and many of the problems involve abuse of copyright protections in an effort to shut down free speech. But taking down torrent trackers sites so people cannot get bootlegs of the King's Speech or Inception as easily as they are used to ~ that is not part of the free speech issue, and pretending that totally illegitimate bootleg distribition is part of the free speech issue makes it harder to fight against the abuses of copyright law.

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seanthenry wrote:

Also they have no right to get involved in this because all they can be charged is with a CIVIL case that would have to be started of the owner of the content. If it were ILLEGAL in a CRIMINAL sense they would have been arrested.


I just don't think anime is on the top-list of fbi look outs to be honest with you and even if there where things all it would be is cease and deists, or your ip provider would disconnect from the net. Most of the torrent tracker sites that where taken down also had music,movies, games from the states and that's what the fbi and dmca acts are more worried about material here then from other countries although i can't speak for the 1 guy getting sued in the one piece case because Funi had to drop the lawsuit against the other 1336 or file separate case charges which would have cost funimtaion around 400,000 dollars to sue every last one.
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Believe it! Dattebayo!
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It sucks that more and more sites are being taken down, but it seems like it happens a few years after the site becomes big, so I don't really think there will ever come a time when you can't find what you're looking for anymore. At most it will just take a little more work.
Dattebayo hasn't had anything I wanted to watch for a long time, so I don't really care that it's gone now. Once they stopped subbing Bleach and Naruto I never downloaded anything from them.
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DB's site doesn't go to that seize notice anymore, The page just times out.
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It's a troll. It no longer goes to the FBI crap anymore. it just times out. The site would probably be back around the time Shippuden Movie 4's release. And anyway, that kind of joke is not below the YHBT staff. Afterall, this is DB we are talking about.
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Posted 3/27/11 , edited 3/27/11

Mikiocn wrote:


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Mikiocn wrote:

Seems like troll bait. I mean, they stopped subbing certain anime because of the legality of it, I recall.

I'm not entirely sure though, but given their history of these kind of pranks, it wouldn't completely surprise me.


Haven't you heard of the illegal seizures of about 70 + bittorrent related websites? It happened a little over a month ago, and websites like torrentfinder had this exact page displayed.

Here is one of that articles http://www.prisonplanet.com/us-government-seizure-of-the-internet-has-begun-dhs-takes-over-76-websites.html

It is not a joke, and it's actually HIGHLY ILLEGAL to put that up as fraud. It makes the legalities of being a fansubber looks like a joke in comparison. The sad thing is they seized these sites by bypassing the 4th and 14th amendments, thus it was an unconstitutional seizure of websites which is something I have been upset over for a while.

The US government is starting to regulate the internet in an attempt to censor information similar to china and many middle eastern dictatorships. This is not good for anybody who enjoys their civil liberties.


Illegal seizures? No, honestly I haven't. I read news articles all the time regarding technology/internet news, but haven't came across anything like that. Although, I never heard of that source you gave so, maybe that's why.

I thought the issue was the websites were promoting illegal downloading and breaking copy right content, etc? So the US government wants to put a stop to it and are taking action by closing the sites illegally? Hm, interesting. I don't think it really is the same as China though, I mean, we are comparing a country that censors everything vs preventing copyright violation. I think you're getting ahead of yourself there. ^_~



Dattebayo was one of the best translators i have found for bleach, they truly made me a fan. They also were very stringent about their content and links, and had no problem banning (which they did ALOT of). Now when crunchyroll aquired its liscense for Bleach, dattebayo was posting about it when crunchy was still in negotiations. When they learned that crunchy got it they tried to vi for a job as translation service, which would have been outstanding. They however did not get the attention of enough people that be that control this site. They did however stop doing bleach at the first ep[sode that crunchy picked up for bleach 264 was their last episode if I remember correctly. And my what you dont seem to understand is that the government and all those sticky fingered politicians see the internet as A HUGE abundant untapped cash source. Dattebayo did nothing wrong, and gracefully bowed to Crunchy. The DMCA threatens all who enjoy anything on a computer or console. Since Apple's major drive for enforcement of the DMCA and market control they have with the damn Iphone and rest of their ICRAP, the government will use the DMCA as a means to regulate the internet, and from there censor it and tax it and charge per email blah blah blah. A computer and the internets primary functions are to copy and distribute information, if they are kept from that, well we all will have some nice paperweights and typewrighters won't we? I am all for copyrights and blah blah, but in order for you to violate copyright you have to make a profit of the content you are distributing. Free FAN Subs hummm well they don't make any money so there for are not violating copyright laws. Dattebayo falls in this realm:
Safe Harbor Provision for Online Storage - § 512(c)

Section 512(c) applies to OSPs that store infringing material. In addition to the two general requirements that OSPs comply with standard technical measures and remove repeat infringers, § 512(c) also requires that the OSP: 1) not receive a financial benefit directly attributable to the infringing activity, 2) not be aware of the presence of infringing material or know any facts or circumstances that would make infringing material apparent, and 3) upon receiving notice from copyright owners or their agents, act expeditiously to remove the purported infringing material.
[edit] Direct Financial Benefit

An OSP must “not receive a financial benefit directly attributable to the infringing activity” to qualify for § 512(c) protection. However, it is not always easy to determine what qualifies as a direct financial benefit under the statute.

One example of an OSP that did receive a direct financial benefit from infringing activity was Napster. In A&M Records, Inc. v. Napster, Inc.,[10] the court held that copyrighted material on Napster’s system created a "draw" for customers which resulted in a direct financial benefit because Napster’s future revenue was directly dependent on increases in user-base. Conversely, in Ellison v. Robertson,[11] the court held that AOL did not receive a direct financial benefit when a user stored infringing material on its server because the copyrighted work did not "draw" new customers. AOL neither "attracted [nor] retained…[nor] lost…subscriptions" as a result of the infringing material.
[edit] Knowledge of Infringing Material

To qualify for the § 512(c) safe harbor, the OSP must not have actual knowledge that it is hosting infringing material or be aware of facts or circumstances from which infringing activity is apparent. It is clear from the statute and legislative history that an OSP has no duty to monitor its service or affirmatively seek infringing material on its system.[12] However, the statute describes two ways in which an OSP can be put on notice of infringing material on its system: 1) notice from the copyright owner, and 2) the existence of “red flags.”

This is advantageous for OSPs because OCILLA's clear process allows them to avoid making decisions about whether or not material is actually infringing. Such decisions can be complex both because it is difficult to determine whether the copyright has expired on a material without access to complete information such as publication date, and because even copyrighted material can be used in some cases under the doctrine of fair use, the applicability of which is difficult to evaluate.

Instead of making a complex legal determination, OCILLA allows OSPs to avoid liability provided they comply with the terms of the statute, regardless of the validity of any claim of infringement.


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