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Things worth fighting for?
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Posted 3/3/11
I might begin with the song by Judas Priest

So I wander on
Asking where you might have gone
From what I knew before
Some things are worth fighting for

Are there things in this world that are really worth fighting for? Worth dying for or even worth killing for?
Of course there are some cases, but would you really be able to extinguish a human life?
Or would you even kill those who have nothing to do with it to save the world from something dangerous?
Is killing in war fair? The guys on the other side are also just people who think that they are on the right, that they are the good ones.

Sorry if I had some problems in expressing myself. My English is still not that good.
Posted 3/3/11 , edited 3/3/11

Dabrush wrote:

I might begin with the song by Judas Priest

So I wander on
Asking where you might have gone
From what I knew before
Some things are worth fighting for

1)Are there things in this world that are really worth fighting for? 2)Worth dying for or even 3)worth killing for?
Of course there are some cases, but 4)would you really be able to extinguish a human life?
Or 5)would you even kill those who have nothing to do with it to save the world from something dangerous?
6)Is killing in war fair?
The guys on the other side are also just people who think that they are on the right, that they are the good ones.

Sorry if I had some problems in expressing myself. My English is still not that good.
1)Solidarity.
2)Identity.
3)Ideology. Such as peace through self-sacrifice.
4)Until you can justify greed and selfishness, then no.
5)Until you can justify overindulgence and arrogance, then no.
6)Until you can justify war in the first place, then no.

However, 4 through 6 can all be justified according to disaster capitalism.
Posted 3/4/11
Fighting for something is always worthwhile. Everything that we are is based on our convictions and motives. Also, the less you have, the harder the fight.
Posted 3/4/11

NE1469 wrote:

Fighting for something is always worthwhile. Everything that we are is based on our convictions and motives. Also, the less you have, the harder the fight.
No wonder the corporations don't fight fair at all.[/sarcasm]
Posted 3/5/11

Dabrush wrote:

I might begin with the song by Judas Priest

So I wander on
Asking where you might have gone
From what I knew before
Some things are worth fighting for

1.Are there things in this world that are really worth fighting for?.Worth dying for or even worth killing for?
Of course there are some cases, 2.but would you really be able to extinguish a human life?
3.Or would you even kill those who have nothing to do with it to save the world from something dangerous?<---- wut?
4.Is killing in war fair? The guys on the other side are also just people who think that they are on the right, that they are the good ones.

Sorry if I had some problems in expressing myself. My English is still not that good.


Well then, the question should be 'what do we live for?'
What comes with life, always comes with the blessing of 'death.

1) You are worth fighting for,(not you*). Humans are quite complex, Human are quite interesting, our longing to grasp inanimate objects like money, the Melancholy people obtain with it, What is truly worth dying for? I have a friend who killed for a few hundred bucks, so in some cases and the mentality of each individual ANYTHING could be worth killing for.

2)Why wouldn't I NOT be able to spread my wrath unto a weaker being? I'm Kratos B-B-bitch! /exaggeration
Well that depends, what is the motive of this killing? I would be able to kill in alot of sensitive situations, please elaborate.

3) Are you asking me if I would kill someone that has a disastrously impact on the world? F.e. (Hitler,Stalin)
-But then again, they are heroes in some eyes.
"One countries terrorist, is another countries War Hero."

4)Well, what do you expect war to be? Water guns, and fluffy pillow fights? even how entertaining that would be(Hehe; :lol:)
War is also emotional inflicting and physical inflicting, often controlled by Propaganda, and driven by Military leaders, but of course.
Kill or be killed is the rule on the battlefield, and it doesn't matter if Johnny in the U.S. Marines has a daughter, and a wife.
Because, Tommy the militant of the Hamas, has a son and a wife.
The letdown of war, the curse a soldier must face, or suffer a war crime.
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Dabrush wrote:

I might begin with the song by Judas Priest

So I wander on
Asking where you might have gone
From what I knew before
Some things are worth fighting for

Are there things in this world that are really worth fighting for? Worth dying for or even worth killing for?
Of course there are some cases, but would you really be able to extinguish a human life?
Or would you even kill those who have nothing to do with it to save the world from something dangerous?
Is killing in war fair? The guys on the other side are also just people who think that they are on the right, that they are the good ones.

Sorry if I had some problems in expressing myself. My English is still not that good.


Are there things in this world worth fighting for?
Yes. A fight doesn't have to be physical and painful, it can involve working towards goals and conflict resolution. I think love, peace, harmony, health, and happiness are worth fighting for in this sense.

Worth dying for?
Perhaps. I think that if you can really make a difference with your death and it's something you absolutely believe in, it is possible that there are things worth dying for. Personally, I think that life is too short and fleeting to want to die for any cause. I also think it's wrong to kill yourself (ie: self-immolation, suicide bombing, etc) for a cause. I think there's more you can do with your life while you're alive than you can do with your death. A surprising death might jolt people for days or weeks, but a meaningful life will impact people for months, years, or life.

Worth killing for?
Absolutely not. There aren't many good excuses for killing a human being. Not capital punishment, not justice, not vengeance, not anger. Nothing is worth killing for, in my opinion. If we're going to talk some unlikely what-if scenario, that would be different and might result in a "Hmm..." Or if you could go back in the past and kill a murderous dictator or a serial killer, well, then I'd have to say "maybe."

Would you really be able to extinguish a human life?
Nope. I am a pacifist. I don't like the idea of harming other humans.

Would you even kill those who have nothing to do with it to save the world from something dangerous?
What kind of scenario are we talking about? If NOT killing someone would lead to millions dying, I might be inclined to consider it then. I would hope there would never be such a lose-win scenario.

Is killing in war fair?
No. War is never fair. When innocent people die just because they live in a country, that isn't fair or right. When soldiers die because they were drafted, that isn't fair. I don't know that killing is ever really a good thing.
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MelodieLenora wrote:


Dabrush wrote:

I might begin with the song by Judas Priest

So I wander on
Asking where you might have gone
From what I knew before
Some things are worth fighting for

Are there things in this world that are really worth fighting for? Worth dying for or even worth killing for?
Of course there are some cases, but would you really be able to extinguish a human life?
Or would you even kill those who have nothing to do with it to save the world from something dangerous?
Is killing in war fair? The guys on the other side are also just people who think that they are on the right, that they are the good ones.

Sorry if I had some problems in expressing myself. My English is still not that good.


Are there things in this world worth fighting for?
Yes. A fight doesn't have to be physical and painful, it can involve working towards goals and conflict resolution. I think love, peace, harmony, health, and happiness are worth fighting for in this sense.

Worth dying for?
Perhaps. I think that if you can really make a difference with your death and it's something you absolutely believe in, it is possible that there are things worth dying for. Personally, I think that life is too short and fleeting to want to die for any cause. I also think it's wrong to kill yourself (ie: self-immolation, suicide bombing, etc) for a cause. I think there's more you can do with your life while you're alive than you can do with your death. A surprising death might jolt people for days or weeks, but a meaningful life will impact people for months, years, or life.

Worth killing for?
Absolutely not. There aren't many good excuses for killing a human being. Not capital punishment, not justice, not vengeance, not anger. Nothing is worth killing for, in my opinion. If we're going to talk some unlikely what-if scenario, that would be different and might result in a "Hmm..." Or if you could go back in the past and kill a murderous dictator or a serial killer, well, then I'd have to say "maybe."

Would you really be able to extinguish a human life?
Nope. I am a pacifist. I don't like the idea of harming other humans.

Would you even kill those who have nothing to do with it to save the world from something dangerous?
What kind of scenario are we talking about? If NOT killing someone would lead to millions dying, I might be inclined to consider it then. I would hope there would never be such a lose-win scenario.

Is killing in war fair?
No. War is never fair. When innocent people die just because they live in a country, that isn't fair or right. When soldiers die because they were drafted, that isn't fair. I don't know that killing is ever really a good thing.


Your opinion is nearly identical with mine.
There are things I would die for, but I wouldn't be able to kill somebody.
An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind. - Ghandi
If you are willing to kill somebody who would kill you, you are not different from him and the killing may never end.
Posted 3/8/11
Apart from justice, righteousness and love, I can't imagine what is...

Religion and democracy certainly aint.
Posted 3/12/11
if it makes since
Posted 3/12/11

kawii_amy wrote:

if it makes since
That's so superficial and potentially dangerous, you may as well set yourself up for further manipulation by your default patternicity:

Traditionally, scientists have treated patternicity as an error in cognition. A type I error, or a false positive, is believing something is real when it is not (finding a nonexistent pattern). A type II error, or a false negative, is not believing something is real when it is (not recognizing a real pattern—call it “apat­ternicity”). In my 2000 book How We Believe (Times Books), I argue that our brains are belief engines: evolved pattern-recognition machines that connect the dots and create meaning out of the patterns that we think we see in nature. Sometimes A really is connected to B; sometimes it is not. When it is, we have learned something valuable about the environment from which we can make predictions that aid in survival and reproduction. We are the ancestors of those most successful at finding patterns. This process is called association learning, and it is fundamental to all animal behavior, from the humble worm C. elegans to H. sapiens.

Unfortunately, we did not evolve a Baloney Detection Network in the brain to distinguish between true and false patterns. We have no error-detection governor to modulate the pattern-recognition engine. (Thus the need for science with its self-correcting mechanisms of replication and peer review.) But such erroneous cognition is not likely to remove us from the gene pool and would therefore not have been selected against by evolution.

In a September paper in the Proceedings of the Royal Society B, “The Evolution of Superstitious and Superstition-like Behaviour,” Harvard University biologist Kevin R. Foster and University of Helsinki biologist Hanna Kokko test my theory through evolutionary modeling and demonstrate that whenever the cost of believing a false pattern is real is less than the cost of not believing a real pattern, natural selection will favor patternicity. They begin with the formula pb > c, where a belief may be held when the cost (c) of doing so is less than the probability (p) of the benefit (b). For example, believing that the rustle in the grass is a dangerous predator when it is only the wind does not cost much, but believing that a dangerous predator is the wind may cost an animal its life.

The problem is that we are very poor at estimating such probabilities, so the cost of believing that the rustle in the grass is a dangerous predator when it is just the wind is relatively low compared with the opposite. Thus, there would have been a beneficial selection for believing that most patterns are real.
(citation)
Still don't believe it? Well consider the fact on how human children learn.
Posted 3/14/11
By the rising of the moon, by the rising of the moon
And a thousand pikes were flashing by the rising of the moon

All along that singing river that black mass of men was seen
High above their shining weapons flew their own beloved green
Death to every foe and traitor! Whistle out the marching tune
And hurrah, me boys, for freedom, 'tis the rising of the moon....

By the blood raging through your veins, you fight for your own right to live...

From the bloody invaders who rape your lush green hills and dales and color them red with the blood of your own..

never surrender.....
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Posted 3/15/11
Things worth fighting for... This is something we could discuss for hours and yet not get anywhere. Everyone has their believes, convictions, ways of living. For religious people, their faith is worth dying for. For politicians, war is fair as long as there is something they can win with it. For people in general, life is something worth fighting for. I would say "You gotta fight for the right to PARTY!" according to Beastie Boys.
War is something hideous. It's a killing spree based on selfish motives, and no human life should be sacrificed "for the country".
Posted 3/15/11
And what do you think shall save them??

These gracious people, the Japanese caught in an upheaval of the Earth Mother....

I pray to the greatest spirit of all, the one who rides the winds high above all others,

it shall be their fighting spirit...

forged long ago, and still abiding in their spines,

cold steel, sharp but drawn from white, hot heat,

fight, to survive....

fight like the katana,

live!!!

I pray this today....

blessed be.
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Dabrush wrote:



Are there things in this world that are really worth fighting for? Worth dying for or even worth killing for?
Of course there are some cases, but would you really be able to extinguish a human life?
Or would you even kill those who have nothing to do with it to save the world from something dangerous?
Is killing in war fair? The guys on the other side are also just people who think that they are on the right, that they are the good ones.

Sorry if I had some problems in expressing myself. My English is still not that good.


In my opinion, every normal person will accept that taking someone's life is unacceptable. Of course, I think the same, plus, I wouldn't hesitate sacrificing my own life if it meant saving someone.

However, such point of view lasts as long as you aren't in a state of "steady danger or extreme pressure". In such a situation, I don't think we can be sure about our behaving or moral concepts...
Posted 3/19/11
1. Ideals
2. Personal improvement
3. The overall improvement of society.


The main issue is how people engage into this, since good reasons can quickly turn into bad reasons. I'm pacifistic, so I'd rather avoid 'fighting' if at all possible.
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