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Sexuality: Choice or determined before being born?
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Posted 3/12/11

Sunnyxx wrote:

Why would so many people choose to be subject of such discrimination? It just doesn't work.


To be fair, Sunny, in many areas in the US, there is a far smaller social stigma attached to female homosexuality than male. There do exist girls (I would say "women", but they're pretty much all college age and down) who pretend to be lesbians, or bisexual, because they find that it gets them more attention from guys. This usually leads to a lot of confusion as they mature and realize that they are not actually sexually attracted to other women, which might lead to at least some of the people who "stop being gay" after they find God through an anti-gay ministry. I'm relying only on anecdotal evidence for these claims, so take them with a grain of salt.

One thing I find interesting, though I don't know where it stems from, is that a seemingly larger portion of geeks and nerds (i.e. the sort of people who read the forums on anime streaming websites) self-identify as homosexual or bisexual, two things which shouldn't be correlated. I could just be imagining the trend (via selection bias), but I have tended to notice this both through people I physically meet and those I interact with through the internet. Can anyone confirm this trend, and what do others think might cause it (if it exists)?
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I think it's a combination of both. Some people might be born with their sexuality, and others' sexualities might have changed over time. A more likely possibility is that a combination of nature and nurture contributed to the shaping of an individual's sexuality. Someone might be both born gay and had life experiences that contributed to the development of their sexual orientation. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Could be both. And honestly, we don't know anything. Contemporary research tends to go for the nature over nurture route, but scientific views can change a lot over time, so we don't know if the current theories are correct.

I don't think it's a "choice", though. As far as nature vs. nurture goes, nurture doesn't always mean a "choice". It's more about the way that society, education, and life experiences shape a person. These circumstances that are usually outside a person's control, so it's not an active choice.

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Posted 3/20/11

lifebaka wrote:

One thing I find interesting, though I don't know where it stems from, is that a seemingly larger portion of geeks and nerds (i.e. the sort of people who read the forums on anime streaming websites) self-identify as homosexual or bisexual, two things which shouldn't be correlated. I could just be imagining the trend (via selection bias), but I have tended to notice this both through people I physically meet and those I interact with through the internet. Can anyone confirm this trend, and what do others think might cause it (if it exists)?


I would say that those predisposed to an alternative lifestyle/culture (such as anime, geek/nerds, etc) are more likely to be openly comfortable with their sexual tendancies and willing to share. Also note the predominant age groups associated with the geek/nerd cultures; younger generations are generally more sexually liberated and willing to experiment. Combine the 2, and you have a recipe for a higher prevalence of non-hetero individuals. That being said, I doubt anime attracts gays like moths to a flame; its just that we're more open about ourselves here at this community versus a Politico forum. It is estimated 10% of the population isn't hetero - but I bet it's rather difficult finding that amount of openly gay people in the corporate business world. The culture dictates one doesn't share their alternative lifestyle with others, as it would be counter-productive. But in an anime forum, there's no harm in being yourself. My thought on the matter, anyway.
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For as long as I can remember I always liked men and women. Gender just didn't factor in whether I liked them or not.
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Jezebellabean wrote:

For as long as I can remember I always liked men and women. Gender just didn't factor in whether I liked them or not.


As applied to sexual attraction, I can completely identify with this. I have however, never been attracted to "dating" women...or entertained ideas of long term relationships other than friendships. I don't have sexual feelings for my female friends as far as I know, but I can easily identify sexual attraction to females in general.

I'm not completely sure how to explain this...I personally believe that I am simply a sexual person on a whole, and therefore limiting my sexual options by gender seems unnecessary. Or at least undesirable. I also tend to favor relationships whether friendship or otherwise with men. Maybe that's why when faced with contemplating my desire to establish a lasting co-dependent domestic partnership, men are my natural inclination.

Regardless, my biological curiosity drives me to sexually desire to touch and explore both genders equally. I have never known myself not to feel this way. My upbringing said "BAD", "IMMORAL", "WRONG" to anything contrary to male/female pairings, and yet, I have always considered either gender available to my curiosity and exploration.

I can't give a completely sound explanation to what factors molded or warped (however you see it) my perceptions of sexuality. Or why I gravitate to men for companionship in general (all sexuality removed). I am simply self aware of my own desires and embrace them with as much freedom as allowed.

I am always analyzing my own behavior and digging deeper into what makes me tick, so for all I know I could have a revelation related to this subject at any point...it's just nowhere near concrete as of now.

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"Bottlenose dolphins, orcas, gray whales, harbor seals and West Indian manatees...Species that sometimes mate with the same sex. "

Apes and canines have also been found to mate with same sex.

So regardless of it being a choice or genetics, we certainly aren't the only species to be attracted to the same sex. But we certainly are the only ones who pass so harsh of judgment on each other for it.
Posted 5/12/11
Sexuality is a choice. I choose to give to women, so fags give it to guys, is all good
Posted 5/12/11

amoureux10 wrote:

Sexuality is a choice. I choose to give to women, so fags give it to guys, is all good
That's really arrogance backed by overconfidence, and an unrealistic sense of entitlement due to self-righteousness. Not the objective reality of how human sexual orientation is not a choice.
Posted 5/12/11

DomFortress wrote:


amoureux10 wrote:

Sexuality is a choice. I choose to give to women, so fags give it to guys, is all good
That's really arrogance backed by overconfidence, and an unrealistic sense of entitlement due to self-righteousness. Not the objective reality of how human sexual orientation is not a choice.


Of course, of course, but gay men choose to have butt sex with guys, just as I choose to have vagina sex and/or butt sex with women, and that is the question here if I am not mistaken
Posted 5/12/11 , edited 5/12/11

amoureux10 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


amoureux10 wrote:

Sexuality is a choice. I choose to give to women, so fags give it to guys, is all good
That's really arrogance backed by overconfidence, and an unrealistic sense of entitlement due to self-righteousness. Not the objective reality of how human sexual orientation is not a choice.


Of course, of course, but gay men choose to have butt sex with guys, just as I choose to have vagina sex and/or butt sex with women, and that is the question here if I am not mistaken


Are you sure all of the "women" you anally penetrated were women, because if not, you are a borderline homosexual. With AIDS.
Posted 5/12/11 , edited 5/12/11

amoureux10 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:

That's really arrogance backed by overconfidence, and an unrealistic sense of entitlement due to self-righteousness. Not the objective reality of how human sexual orientation is not a choice.


Of course, of course, but gay men choose to have butt sex with guys, just as I choose to have vagina sex and/or butt sex with women, and that is the question here if I am not mistaken
That's only your limited, thus oversimplified, subjective perception about what sexuality means to you, as an act being made as just another commodity. When your own choice/decision was the result of manufactured consent through impersonal socialization, from cradle to grave. In other words, your conceptual model known as the freedom of choice is but an illusion, a security mirage that's preventing yourself from realizing the real process of sexual objectification.
Posted 5/12/11

Sonovabitch wrote:


amoureux10 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


amoureux10 wrote:

Sexuality is a choice. I choose to give to women, so fags give it to guys, is all good
That's really arrogance backed by overconfidence, and an unrealistic sense of entitlement due to self-righteousness. Not the objective reality of how human sexual orientation is not a choice.


Of course, of course, but gay men choose to have butt sex with guys, just as I choose to have vagina sex and/or butt sex with women, and that is the question here if I am not mistaken


Are you sure all of the "women" you anally penetrated were women, because if not, you are a borderline homosexual. With AIDS.


Ah, If they weren't they weren't, they look good at time and I alway RAP UP!
Posted 5/12/11

DomFortress wrote:


amoureux10 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:

That's really arrogance backed by overconfidence, and an unrealistic sense of entitlement due to self-righteousness. Not the objective reality of how human sexual orientation is not a choice.


Of course, of course, but gay men choose to have butt sex with guys, just as I choose to have vagina sex and/or butt sex with women, and that is the question here if I am not mistaken
That's only your limited, thus oversimplified, subjective perception about what sexuality means to you, as an act being made as just another commodity. When your own choice/decision was the result of manufactured consent through impersonal socialization, from cradle to grave. In other words, your conceptual model known as the freedom of choice is but an illusion, a security mirage that's preventing yourself from realizing the real process of sexual objectification.


So, in short, sexuality predetermined, is bullshit my friend, bullshit
Posted 5/12/11

amoureux10 wrote:


Sonovabitch wrote:


amoureux10 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


amoureux10 wrote:

Sexuality is a choice. I choose to give to women, so fags give it to guys, is all good
That's really arrogance backed by overconfidence, and an unrealistic sense of entitlement due to self-righteousness. Not the objective reality of how human sexual orientation is not a choice.


Of course, of course, but gay men choose to have butt sex with guys, just as I choose to have vagina sex and/or butt sex with women, and that is the question here if I am not mistaken


Are you sure all of the "women" you anally penetrated were women, because if not, you are a borderline homosexual. With AIDS.


Ah, If they weren't they weren't, they look good at time and I alway RAP UP!


The HIV virus is smaller than the pores in a condom, not to say out of sincerity that all gay men carry AIDS. There is the conspiracy about the disease being spread to kill off specific people, but it has effected everyone.

Anatomically, the structure of male and female digestive tracts aren't the same. So, if you've ever felt something a bit off when anal coitus took place...
Posted 5/12/11

Sonovabitch wrote:


amoureux10 wrote:


Sonovabitch wrote:


amoureux10 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


amoureux10 wrote:

Sexuality is a choice. I choose to give to women, so fags give it to guys, is all good
That's really arrogance backed by overconfidence, and an unrealistic sense of entitlement due to self-righteousness. Not the objective reality of how human sexual orientation is not a choice.


Of course, of course, but gay men choose to have butt sex with guys, just as I choose to have vagina sex and/or butt sex with women, and that is the question here if I am not mistaken


Are you sure all of the "women" you anally penetrated were women, because if not, you are a borderline homosexual. With AIDS.


Ah, If they weren't they weren't, they look good at time and I alway RAP UP!


The HIV virus is smaller than the pores in a condom, not to say out of sincerity that all gay men carry AIDS. There is the conspiracy about the disease being spread to kill off specific people, but it has effected everyone.

Anatomically, the structure of male and female digestive tracts aren't the same. So, if you've ever felt something a bit off when anal coitus took place...


Yes, yes, I buy BANDAID cd, and i will check next time


love,
Leo
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