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Prayer for Japan... can prayer be a BAD thing?
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MelodieLenora wrote:


I like your response. Also, I realized it was down and searched to find it again. But I'm going to put up your description of the video in case it gets taken down, if you don't mind.


Why would I mind?
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Cecil the Dark Knight, it's spelled per se. It's a Latin phrase. Got the meaning right, though.
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I think "Can prayer be a bad thing?" should be all this thread is about..if you're going against someone's wishes and praying for them to be murdered, I'd say it's bad. And then there's that whole "thou shalt not kill" or however it goes Not really a believer of God, but maybe when you pray for that, he just dissaproves and moves onto the next one.
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its sad that there are people that feel joy at such a tragedy, whatever reason; religion, color of skin or other things as such.

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ok well....
1st of all.... god doesn't hate unbelievers... hence supposedly giving man kind the ability of free will... which means he wouldn't kill 10's of thousands of people just because of some fucking bible thumping freaks praying for it.....
2nd.... she's not a troll... she's just fucking nuts... i feel sorry for people like her who are sheltered from the real world all the way up until adult hood.... the are cripled and ignorant.... and in her case.... FUCKING CRAZY... you don't thank god for killing 10's of thousands of people.... and if i ever meet someone who did or does... i'll stomp their brains out and ask them why god didn't save them from brain damage......... oh and the people that say it's karma for pearl harbor.... go back to the history books you dumb motherfuckers...... the killed a few hundred people (at most a few thousand) in pearl harbor..... and the US dropped a FUCKING NUCLEAR BOMB on them..... they got payed back 1000 fold... so really it's not karma when they kill a few thousand... and then the US kills a few hundred thousand of them... so really give up on the pearl harbor bullshit you ignorant fucks
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God didn't "shake" Japan the plates Japan sits on shifted. There was no religious component involved at all. This girl if anything made god look bad saying that god was the cause for the tragedy. "God Shook Japan by the shoulders" is like pinning a blame. I think she is very confused.
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Khaltazar wrote:

God didn't "shake" Japan the plates Japan sits on shifted. There was no religious component involved at all. This girl if anything made god look bad saying that god was the cause for the tragedy. "God Shook Japan by the shoulders" is like pinning a blame. I think she is very confused.


you can't argue science with bible thumpers..... their answer to everything is god.... you ask them why there are signs of life on mars... and water on the moon.... they will say god... ask them why god lets a school burn down and 100's of children die... and they don't know wtf happened.... (and if anyone is insulted by this then don't be because if your even around to view this post or my comments you do not fall in my bible thumper section so i am not talking about you)
Posted 3/15/11
The chick in the video is stupid. Agree with foulsickness as well.

2. Do you think that prayer alone is helpful and/or 'enough'?
Yes, but it's definitely not enough. Action will get better results. Plus it says in the bible prayer without action is dead (I think that's how it's worded, don't remember everything).

3. Does prayer relieve people of any obligations, or sense of obligation, to do something physical? (Like volunteer or donate money).
It can, some pray to be relieved of their problem(s), and it can inspire to do something if the person chooses so.

4. What about people who use prayer 'for the wrong reasons' ? Are there any wrong reasons to pray?
Yeah, I've seen people pray for bad things to happen to others. I don't think their prayer is answered though since it's for cruel purposes.

5. Do you pray? Do you believe in "the power of prayer"?
I haven't prayed in a long time. I do believe in the power of prayer though.
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Considering there is a wealth of scientific evidence behind one and virtually no evidence behind one, both do not share equal chances regardless of what you believe.

Psychology has for many years studied the effect of prayer, and frequently discovered that a prayer group has no significant impact on any outcome over a non-prayer control group. Again, this example is purely hindsight, and there is zero reliable evidence to support that girls claim. The "I believe that's what happened" defense isn't being skeptical, its sticking your fingers in your eyes and going "lalalala, I'm not listening".

Based on that logic, I could say I don't believe in earthquakes, nor God and therefore there is an equal chance that a Wizard was responsible.
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I think we have a winner for the biggest douche award for 2011.
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Nice. :)

I'm really enjoying the variety of responses coming from believers and nonbelievers, those who pray and those who do not. Interesting!

As for me -
1. The girl scares me. I don't believe she is a troll because she reminds me of me before I abandoned Christianity and became an Atheist. The cognitive dissonance was just too much.

2. Do I think prayer is helpful? I think it can help people FEEL less fear, less pain, and less sadness. Kindof like a placebo for everything. I think the mind is a powerful thing and if people believe in a theistic deity they believe their answers are being heard.
Is it enough? No. Not at all.

3. I do think that sometimes prayer lifts feelings of guilt and responsibility from the person praying. If all someone wants is to believe that people care, sure, prayer might be enough. But if without prayer, you would be volunteering, donating, or doing something else tangible, then that's messed up that you think you don't have to because you prayed. What if God is actually deistic? Or perhaps he can hear prayers, and is capable of answering them, but chooses not too for 'mysterious reasons'? Anyway, I just don't think prayer is a good excuse for not doing something that has a physical effect.

4. I think that prayer is like a crutch. I used to think it was harmless, until I read this
Basically I now think that even 'good' prayer is generally for the wrong reasons. I don't mean to offend anyone by saying this, just that I think prayer is a lot less helpful and a lot more harmful than people think. I figure most everyone will disagree with me on that, though, and I understand - because 5 or so years ago, I would've been right there with you.

5. No I don't pray. No I don't believe in the power of prayer. I think prayer has power, just not supernatural power. Like, power of mental effect over people.
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Hands that help are better than lips that pray
- Robert G. Ingersoll (1833-1899)


^ That's my stance on prayers.

With that said, I'm disgusted with how some people have reacted to the earthquake.





^ Karma my ass, and who bloody cares about whales in such circumstances.
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AHTL wrote:


Hands that help are better than lips that pray
- Robert G. Ingersoll (1833-1899)


^ That's my stance on prayers.

With that said, I'm disgusted with how some people have reacted to the earthquake.





^ Karma my ass, and who bloody cares about whales in such circumstances.


maybe its my american ignorance, but what is the context on that second picture?, i cant read the pictures inside it...something about whales I guess?
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MelodieLenora wrote:

Basically I now think that even 'good' prayer is generally for the wrong reasons. I don't mean to offend anyone by saying this, just that I think prayer is a lot less helpful and a lot more harmful than people think. I figure most everyone will disagree with me on that, though, and I understand - because 5 or so years ago, I would've been right there with you.

5. No I don't pray. No I don't believe in the power of prayer. I think prayer has power, just not supernatural power. Like, power of mental effect over people.


Wow. That's a pretty good thingy you have there in the spoiler. (Not sure what the right word is ) After reading that I am definitely finding myself agreeing with you. In the end prayer helps people to show themselves that they care for those in need by asking god or whatever deity to help them. This puts them at ease since they then feel that they've done something to help and may then go on to donate or offer their services or just leave it at prayer. But I'd assume that the majority just stays with prayer so that they don't have to trouble themselves with money or spending time overseas yet still feeling like they've helped out in their own way.
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MelodieLenora wrote:

1. What do you think of people who think like the girl in this video?

http://blog.bollzy.com/post/3853208492/god-is-so-good-via-tamtampamela <<New link, her video was taken down on youtube.
Regardless of whether she's sincere or a troll, assume she's real in order to comment on this type of thought, motivation, behavior.

Synopsis, thanks to Sunnyxx , in case you can't watch it:


2. Do you think that prayer alone is helpful and/or 'enough'?

3. Does prayer relieve people of any obligations, or sense of obligation, to do something physical? (Like volunteer or donate money).

4. What about people who use prayer 'for the wrong reasons' ? Are there any wrong reasons to pray?

5. Do you pray? Do you believe in "the power of prayer"?

Answer any of these you want, or talk about something else related to the topic.
-- This question is mainly aimed at those who pray, regardless of religion or lack of, but those who do not pray should feel free to answer as well. I realize you don't have to believe in a deity or subscribe to a religion, in order to pray.




I dont think what she did was right at all that not funny in no way at all
she re posted the vid here the new link to it
i dont know how long this one will be up for

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP-sSeqPywI&feature=channel_video_title
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