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Posted 3/22/11 , edited 3/22/11
I'm not fully religious so don't have any qualms that I'll get preachy. You don't need to be religious or a theist of anything.

Just tell me your opinion.

Think of it as a concept. Do you think the concept of eternal damnation is fair chastisement for really naughty people?

In my humble opinion it's a bit too hefty. We're all good even an iota's worth, that's what I feel at least.


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what is a anathema?


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anathema
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what is a anathema?
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Yeah..uh, judging by the first post, I'm guessing you're just asking if people should go to Hell forever for doing really bad things. I personally don't believe it exists, but if it does, no, I don't think it's fair. If I want to murder someone, I want the right to do it without eternal damnation.
Posted 3/22/11
Basically (strong vocabulary you have there Sir) I think he wants to know if being hated forever is a good punishment for bad people.

I think it is depending on what they did. If someone hurt a member of my family for instance, I'd want the whole world to hate that person. Then again, I'll admit I am very unforgiving and bare grudges. Can't be helped.



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heh.. what constitutes as being really naughty?


i'm really naughty sometimes; hope eternal damnation isn't my outcome.

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It's more a case of identifying people who won't change given a chance. That's why some apparently anomalous results exist. A soul who is capable of great things needs to be given a chance to prove themselves; those great things will not necessarily be for the benefit of people. If this sounds woolly, it's only covering every base. Some people don't like being accused of that, so they don't do it at all. That's almost worse than accusing them.
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I think of it as a choice on the part of the "naughty" person rather than some punishment ordered by another party. I say that the person is wholly deserving of that outcome.
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No. I don't believe anyone deserves eternal damnation, hell, or some torturous, painful afterlife. Perhaps all of their crimes could happen to them, then they'd be off the hook and in some sort of limbo until they prove they're worthy of heaven? Even that's better than hell for forever.

I don't believe in hell or eternal damnation. If there are deities, gods or goddesses or something else, I hope they aren't so vengeful and malevolent as to do such a sick, horrible thing. I would worship no deity that creates a hell as I've understood it to be.

I want to believe that everyone has their reasons and people are essentially good. Kind-of like secular humanism. I would not even send Jeffrey Dahmer or other serial killers, rapists, pedophiles, or cannibals to hell. I just don't believe in that. I think genetics and upbringing / environment have so much to do with who people are, and that everyone deserves a second chance, or more than that. And why couldn't the deity just "fix" whatever's in their brain that makes them naughty, then let them go to reincarnation or heaven or limbo or wherever...

Eternity > Life
Much much longer than life, not a fair punishment at all. That's not justice, that's just cruel and sadistic, in my opinion.
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As a person who's going straight to hell when he croaks, I'd have to say that it isn't fair. Most of the commandments are easily breakable, so I'd like to give most of the people down under a retrial!
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Eternity > Life
Much much longer than life, not a fair punishment at all. That's not justice, that's just cruel and sadistic, in my opinion.

Completely agree.

It would really suck for a screwed up person to have everyone around them say that they've got no chance or their souls are doomed. Who are they to say things like that?
And ultimately I share the belief that everyone one has niceness in them mainly because I sense that within myself and somehow feel certain it's in everybody else no matter how terrible they appear. In the end every person will be okay, I think everyone senses that they'll be alright in the end even if they doubt that sometimes.

Yep right about now someone's gonna bring out hippy camp fire songs.
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Anywho back to the topic...To me there is no such thing as a soul, so therefore there is no concept of Heaven or Hell.... we just die on the Earth and the molecules we once used, will be used around the world like a slut... our molecules constructed then they deconstructed, then reconstruct again.. the cycle keeps on going until our blue little planet Earth gets suck up in a black hole were all the molecules will be compressed or sumthing
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Well, I'm coming from a place of not believing in that nonsense.
But entertaining it as a concept, I'll do.

Eternal damnation is a silly thing. Any punishment exacted should fit the crime committed.
Forever, is a long time. Even the nature of infinity is beyond the understanding of most people.

If a man raped my mother and sister, then killed them. I would have no problem in torturing him to death.
And after i had done so, I'd probably still feel that wasn't enough. And i might wish that he was suffering unending pain.
However, I'd have a hard time arguing that is what he deserves. Maybe i could argue that he deserves to suffer for a time period equal to the lives of the people he took, and the emotional suffering of the people left behind. But that wouldn't even be a blip on the radar compared to eternity.

Some of the "sins" religion would have you believe is enough to warrant that kind of punishment are silly. And the reason it exists in the first place is leverage. In order to control people, who might otherwise not do as you wish. You need a threat scary enough to keep them in line.
And what is scarier than pain forever? Can't have people thinking they can escape by dying, or think "Hmm, I'll do my time."
Posted 3/22/11
If there's a God, then there's no Hell. Either that, or God isn't as "good" as people say he is. I believe in the first one. Not even Hitler deserves eternal punishment. Maybe super long like 90 or 70 years, but forever? No. There might be some kind of Hell, but I don't believe it's forever...
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AdamIdris101 wrote:

I'm not fully religious so don't have any qualms that I'll get preachy. You don't need to be religious or a theist of anything.

Just tell me your opinion.

Think of it as a concept. Do you think the concept of eternal damnation is fair chastisement for really naughty people?

In my humble opinion it's a bit too hefty. We're all good even an iota's worth, that's what I feel at least.


treegurl84 wrote:

what is a anathema?


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anathema


From a Criminal Justice stand point, it really doesn't matter. As long as the guilty are put in a place where they can't harm the innocent. It's as much of punishment as it is safety for others. So if that place is hell then so be it. Don't want innocent people dieing because some phycho didn't get his under some naive hippy notion of "everybody is basically good".

Yea, perhaps in your neighborhood. But where im from people have no reguard for human life and deserve to be put in hell, or at least in prison until they are raped to death. what ever comes first. peace over war
Posted 3/22/11

MelodieLenora wrote:

No. I don't believe anyone deserves eternal damnation, hell, or some torturous, painful afterlife. Perhaps all of their crimes could happen to them, then they'd be off the hook and in some sort of limbo until they prove they're worthy of heaven? Even that's better than hell for forever.

I don't believe in hell or eternal damnation. If there are deities, gods or goddesses or something else, I hope they aren't so vengeful and malevolent as to do such a sick, horrible thing. I would worship no deity that creates a hell as I've understood it to be.

I want to believe that everyone has their reasons and people are essentially good. Kind-of like secular humanism. I would not even send Jeffrey Dahmer or other serial killers, rapists, pedophiles, or cannibals to hell. I just don't believe in that. I think genetics and upbringing / environment have so much to do with who people are, and that everyone deserves a second chance, or more than that. And why couldn't the deity just "fix" whatever's in their brain that makes them naughty, then let them go to reincarnation or heaven or limbo or wherever...

Eternity > Life
Much much longer than life, not a fair punishment at all. That's not justice, that's just cruel and sadistic, in my opinion.


Totally agree. Anyone who commits a crime should be dealt with in this life time, not the next as it doesn't exist. IMO corporal punishment doesn't serve to reform rather it should be used to keep the public safe from individuals capable of causing heinous chrimes.
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