What if 4kids is innocent this time?
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Posted 4/1/11 , edited 4/1/11
The 4kids lawsuit is definitely big news. I acknowledge it is likely they did the accusations the Japanese companies have against them. Even though I am one of those that would like to see them drown, there are innocent people of the company like the talented Veronica "real voice of Ash Ketchum" Taylor that will be seriously screwed.

However, this thread is playing devil's advocate: Say the lawsuit does end up with 4kids losing and having to pay the money. However, by some very unlikely chance, facts reveal that the Japanese company made it up. That is, their accusations were revealed to be made up and 4kids did none of the things the lawsuit accused them of. This would be a case of when they are innocent of something (the accusations).

Fans of the awfully dubbed show are now unable to watch it? Why? Because the Japanese likely wanted to make money at the expense of a foreign licensing company. Like I said, this is unlikely. However, should it happen, it definitely would want American licensing companies to rethink in terms of simulcasting and DVD rights.

I think that until a verdict has been made, presume they could be innocent. It can be unwise for people to assume guilt that when a company is accused of guilt when we are given little if any facts that could defend/condemn them outside of allegations.
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Posted 4/1/11 , edited 4/1/11
This time? As in they do stuff like this on a regular basis? If they do in fact have a history of doing these kinds of shenanigans then there's really no reason to believe that they'd turn over a new leaf this time either. The japanese creators let them run wild on the card game, anime and so on and had enough, or they do market research (past to present) and noticed how popular it is in the west and the popularity and royalties didn't quite mesh. In short I'd believe the Japanese before I believe a company who may or may not have a history of doing shady things with contract obligations. I've worked for companies that would rather redefine the rules they set themselves to keep more money rather than do the ethical thing.
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Posted 4/1/11
Like I said, it's unlikely. Please answer the question in terms of being unlikely
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Posted 4/1/11 , edited 4/1/11
this goes back to the oh no piracy is bad and hurting the industry as well. The thing I liked the yugioh dub, the rest of it sucked but yami yuigi's voice kicked ass. This aside It's hard to do localize anime because it's not as popular nor is it as mainstream as it used to be. 4kids is desperate i will give them that they already shelled out a million just to hang on to the license but to be honest this is the final nail in the coffin for them i am afraid if they don't get out this then they are screwed.
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Posted 4/1/11
I guess one could believe that licensing a show to be viewed in North America would take much longer. That could still go either way though. Both would be very cautious of one another.
I suppose that's pretty obvious, but I don't know much about this stuff..
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Then there wouldn't be a better version of yugioh dub not that I care for the English Version anyways
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Posted 4/1/11
"Follow the money."
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Posted 4/1/11 , edited 4/1/11
Please just answer the question without incorporating the 4kids practice of localization. I am asking what if the Japanese are flat out lying? I am not asking about the localizations. What became of the concept that an someone is really dumb to accept an accusation against anyone if they are given all the facts (Obviously, companies will give little to no facts to the public when this does happen because business activities are generally classified)

However, what if those same people find out that 4kids going bankrupt was done by the Japanese? That is. 4kids went bankrupt because the Japanese were lying? If 4kids goes out of business and there was a revelation that they did not because this illegal business decisions they're accused of, the Japanese should be held accountable in the same manner the American company should be if they did actually perform what they were accused of.


I think anyone that is okay with 4kids going bankrupt is an idiot if they don't look at the chance the Japanese could be lying. NoBreyner wrote "In short I'd believe the Japanese before I believe a company who may or may not have a history of doing shady things with contract obligations." The exact same argument can be made with the Japanese companies. If the Japanese companies that makes the localized Japanese version of American shows like Family Guy and The Simpsons did the same thing 4kids allegedly did, shouldn't we sue them?

Consequences of 4kids going bankrupt and the Japanese were lying: All the money that the Japanese companies were getting from 4kids license of Yugioh would basically be wasted. All those millions likely would further put the anime industry in a hole the Japanese were lying.
My argument: If 4kids went bankrupt for having actually done these accusations, then people at the company that were involved had it coming to them. They go bankrupt due to an accusation that could be made up, then shouldn't TV Tokyo go bankrupt? The Japanese having a hard time making good DVD sales is a case they deserve to suffer if they caused company to go bankrupt

I compare this to a rape case. If a woman claims rape and those being accused are arrested and found guilty, the accused had it coming to them. However, same scenario happens and the accused is found to be innocent, I don't care what the condition of that lying bitch is, send to her to prison for a long time. If she ends up getting deported and loses her parental rights, she deserved it.

Conclusively, since people haven't really answered my question with the conditions of the first paragraph, please allow me to explain: 4kids going bankrupt because they did do this, then hey had it coming. Same thing but the accusations would later be revealed to be made up, the Japanese companies involved should be filing for bankruptcy after a lawsuit and have jail time for the workers that were making these accusations.

Also, even if they are guilty, keep this in mind: For many people, their first exposure to anime is due to the bastardized versions.
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Posted 4/2/11
Wow, 4kids is really in a pickel.
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Posted 4/2/11 , edited 4/2/11
Innocent until proven guilty blah blah got it.

Frankly, in so much as I give 4kids any thought at all, I'm glad their policy makers and hopefully business model is in trouble. People who are against piracy should have done something about 4kids long ago. Their garbage product was a direct contributor to people turning to 'alternative sources' for the anime they watched. Now if only something could be done to get blockbuster to have an anime section that's more than some scattershot random episodes and the Miyazaki collection.
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Posted 4/2/11 , edited 4/2/11
Is it really that hard for something to actually agree withe the things I wrote? Can people stop stating the rather obvious? This is a "what if" thread not a "what is". It's a hypothetical thread. Please answer as such. I am talking about that whatever 4kids did, ones involved deserve a lawsuit. The exact same argument I have trying to apply to the off chance they could be innocent.
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Posted 4/2/11
To be honest, anything that would get rid of 4Kids would be a good thing - they haven't done a single decent dub in my opinion, and I'm not a dub hater, so it's not like "all dubs suck" - I enjoy many of Funimation's and pretty much all of Geneon's (RIP) dubs.

4Kids is guilty - guilty of continuing the general American perception that all anime is just "4 Kids" lol
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cowbaka wrote:


4Kids is guilty - guilty of continuing the general American perception that all anime is just "4 Kids" lol :P


And that kids are stupid for reading manga.

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Posted 4/2/11 , edited 4/2/11
If I were to agree with you I could hypothetically be wrong. And I'm not doing that. If you started this thread for the sole reason for people to agree with you, then you're setting yourself up for disappointment.
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