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They turned Iron Man into a Mecha Vs. Mecha anime (which is not the comics true intentions) and it failed, canceled after 1 season. They turned Wolverine into a skinny do gooder/samurai type almost completely taking away his badass qualities, and yet it again it failed and was also canceled after 1 season.

This section illustrates just part of your misunderstanding of the Marvel anime project. None of them have been scheduled for more than 12 episodes from the start, so none of them have been "canceled after 1 season".

You also stated, "The japanese bought the rights...", which is also incorrect. The projects are a collaboration between Marvel Entertainment and Madhouse. You make it sound as if Madhouse approached Marvel, when in fact, it would be more accurate to state it was the other way around.





SO what did you think of the anime so far?
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Posted 4/9/11

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SO what did you think of the anime so far?

I haven't seen it, as I have not watched any fansubs since early Summer of last year.

Since G4 starts showing all the Marvel anime this Summer, a DVD release seems inevitable, so I will probably see it then.
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Gotta admit episode 2 really captured what the X-men comics are about and these U-men guy are a truly nasty bunch of people. Not sure which is worse, Morrison's original version or the anime one.

an interesting choice of villains for this.

Of the Marvel anime so far, I like this one best.
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Posted 4/14/11

TheAncientOne wrote:


newyorkmetsman wrote:
They turned Iron Man into a Mecha Vs. Mecha anime (which is not the comics true intentions) and it failed, canceled after 1 season. They turned Wolverine into a skinny do gooder/samurai type almost completely taking away his badass qualities, and yet it again it failed and was also canceled after 1 season.

This section illustrates just part of your misunderstanding of the Marvel anime project. None of them have been scheduled for more than 12 episodes from the start, so none of them have been "canceled after 1 season".

You also stated, "The japanese bought the rights...", which is also incorrect. The projects are a collaboration between Marvel Entertainment and Madhouse. You make it sound as if Madhouse approached Marvel, when in fact, it would be more accurate to state it was the other way around.





Marvel did approach madhouse with the idea and between those two individual companies it is a collaboration however, what you may not understand is Japanese Madhouse DOESN'T HAVE IT'S OWN CABLE NETWORK!!!!!!!!!!! The actual station that showed both Iron Man and Wolverine is a little satalite station called Animax. Now in order for this said station before syndication (and after for that matter) to air a said show there must be an agreement between the company selling the show and the one purchasing it exclusively to air on there network. So when a Japanese network goes through this process with a someone selling a TV series that said network is BUYING THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO AIR THAT SERIES ON THEIR NETWORK! Now I did use the word (canceled) a little lightly but it's not so far off. You're right they only made 12 episodes to start with of both Iron Man and Wolverine however! Animax doesn't want to buy the rights to air them because the ratings weren't high enough. And Wolverine bombed in almost every way imaginable. Since Marvel and Madhouse had the plan of doing 4 series I hope they have the same luck with the 4th series as they are with x-men. Both Marvel and Madhouse had to re- think there approach with how to handle these series since there first 2 didn't do so well. And it would appear they've decided to make more americanized versions which works fine for me personally but we'll see how well it does in Japan. By the way my greatest sympothy to that country for everything it's going through and I truly hope they make it out of their termoil a stronger nation. I also hope you don't mind that I illustrated part of your misunderstanding on how newtorks do business.
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Ok so I want to comment on this show. I love Japanese anime and how they see the world through their culture I get a sense of that through their own animation. America has attempted to mimic Japanese animation but without full understanding of it's culture the american versions of japanimation have failed at every turn. Thus we have simply learned to leave it be and stick with what we're good at. Japan has in turn attempted to mimic American comic culture into there anime. They faced the same problems we did, without full understanding of our culture there projects failed. Two examples of that are the japanese versions of Iron Man and Wolverine. The japanese bought the rights from marvel with the understanding that they would loosly modify it from it's orignal forms to better suit their demigraphic. They turned Iron Man into a Mecha Vs. Mecha anime (which is not the comics true intentions) and it failed, canceled after 1 season. They turned Wolverine into a skinny do gooder/samurai type almost completely taking away his badass qualities, and yet it again it failed and was also canceled after 1 season.

I am here to tell you that the Japanese learned from there mistakes and DID NOT GIVE UP! When purchasing the rights to X-Men they actually asked Marvel for help and Marvel did just that. American's and Japanese alike worked together hand and hand on this project and it succeded. They start the anime off in Upstate New York (as it was meant to be) not deviating from the comics original history much at all. Wolverine is a scary looking bulky badass (as he should be) and the entire feel of the show is unlike any Japanime I have seen before. It's like a ramped up version of the original X-Men. After seeing just one episode I can say this show is totally worth watching and is unlike anything I've seen before both from American media and Japanese. i fully recommend this Anime and give Kudo's to Marvel for working with Japan and helping make such a great show.


I like to correct you on a few things..
1, America can not attempt to mimic anime, because the word anime does not have a style. (its a word that just short for animeeshun the Japanese word for animated cartoon.)
2, the style that your talking about the cartoons styles like XXX Holic, originally that style came from early American comic's and animated cartoons, the manga artist liked the style and took it back to Japan with them.
3. Ironman both American movies have him fighting mechs, his comics half his fights are vs mechs or getting his tech back.

I do agree that X-men 2011 is Majorly badass,

I like to correct you on a few things..
1.American's tried to immitate the Japanese style and culture into our own cartoons (for children mostly) after the dragon ball Z era. It failed.
2. Actually the style of cartooning the japanese have been using comes from an old flick/series/comic called betty boop, which is also where Japanimation gets it's BIG eyes from.
3. I personally and many others that I know was disappointed in the fact that both movies were mecha vs mecha and I don't think you know diddly squat about the Iron Man comics since I used to own dozens of them as a kid, Iron Man's arch nemesis was the Mandarine whom used magic rings. Oh and Fin Fang Foom another non mechanoid who made a lot of appearances in Iron Man Comics.

I'm glad you agree that x-men is badass
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Posted 4/15/11

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Marvel did approach madhouse with the idea and between those two individual companies it is a collaboration however, what you may not understand is Japanese Madhouse DOESN'T HAVE IT'S OWN CABLE NETWORK!!!!!!!!!!! The actual station that showed both Iron Man and Wolverine is a little satalite station called Animax. Now in order for this said station before syndication (and after for that matter) to air a said show there must be an agreement between the company selling the show and the one purchasing it exclusively to air on there network. So when a Japanese network goes through this process with a someone selling a TV series that said network is BUYING THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO AIR THAT SERIES ON THEIR NETWORK!

You appear to be implying that when you stated "The Japanese bought the rights...", that you were talking about Animax, not Madhouse, but let us take a look at the full sentence from your original message:


The japanese bought the rights from marvel with the understanding that they would loosly modify it from it's orignal forms to better suit their demigraphic.

It seems rather clear you were talking about Madhouse there, since Animax was not performing any modifications from the original form.


I assume you were being facetious when you called Animax "a little satellite station".

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Posted 4/16/11

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newyorkmetsman wrote:
Marvel did approach madhouse with the idea and between those two individual companies it is a collaboration however, what you may not understand is Japanese Madhouse DOESN'T HAVE IT'S OWN CABLE NETWORK!!!!!!!!!!! The actual station that showed both Iron Man and Wolverine is a little satalite station called Animax. Now in order for this said station before syndication (and after for that matter) to air a said show there must be an agreement between the company selling the show and the one purchasing it exclusively to air on there network. So when a Japanese network goes through this process with a someone selling a TV series that said network is BUYING THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO AIR THAT SERIES ON THEIR NETWORK!

You appear to be implying that when you stated "The Japanese bought the rights...", that you were talking about Animax, not Madhouse, but let us take a look at the full sentence from your original message:


The japanese bought the rights from marvel with the understanding that they would loosly modify it from it's orignal forms to better suit their demigraphic.

It seems rather clear you were talking about Madhouse there, since Animax was not performing any modifications from the original form.


I assume you were being facetious when you called Animax "a little satellite station".



I am saying that Iron Man and Wolverine both were modifiyed by both Marvel and Madhouse to better suit the Japanese demographic. I'm also saying that while Iron Man had some appeal to the younger viewers Animax reported lower ratings than expected and Wolverine literally failed in every way. Animax has implied that it has little interest in purchasing more episodes of either show. X-Men 2011 however is more true to the comics and very action packed so far it would appear that they took a different approach making it. As for me calling Animax a "little satalite station" I was being sarcastic.
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3rd episode is good
really like Emma's design in her casual cloths. Nice mix of her White Queen outfit with a prime and proper Merry Poppins look.

Over all this is doing a really great job as far as I'm concerned


Also I love the idea that the sweet little Japanese girl is going to be the team Tank. I can already imagine her fighting the Juggernaut and it gives me a good chuckle.



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3rd episode is good
really like Emma's design in her casual cloths. Nice mix of her White Queen outfit with a prime and proper Merry Poppins look.

Over all this is doing a really great job as far as I'm concerned


Also I love the idea that the sweet little Japanese girl is going to be the team Tank. I can already imagine her fighting the Juggernaut and it gives me a good chuckle.






I hope to see that match up.. Juggernaut vs Japanese School Girl. Did not think I would see that one in a million years.

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Episode 3.

Awesome.
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episode 4 came out... I must say it was good, but a little to on the dark side.. made it hard to fallow the action.
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