When you numb away your ability to feel pain, you also disable your ability to feel pleasure, and subsequently your capacity for real empathy. And when women and children can empower themselves far greater than men can, while men need the protection of patriarchy, in order to proclaim their sense of entitlement and dominance in the bible. I'm by no means looking forward to that sorta biblical afterlife.
Please allow me to explain that I do not participate in “Organized Religion.” When I pray it is from my heart, I don’t recite chants in which I can’t place meaning in my words. God himself said the only religion He believes in is the caring of orphans and widows. If you want, I can put up the exact reference. A church is a place where believers gather together. It is not a building with four walls. I feel closest to God when among His creation. A gentle breeze, the colors of spring that we are now experiencing, and soft rainfall make me feel close to God. Why would God give us a free will and a heaven in which to someday dwell if He is who you say?
If there was not a sin barrier between humans and God, imagine what “heaven” would be like. I can visualize only the most profound pain and suffering that occurs when people do evil on earth. I have read in so many places, people saying, “There is no God,” May I not also say “There is a God” and discuss it calmly and honestly? This is why I invited people to PM me. I want to hear what people have to say, and explore their evidence, while offering my own.
Thank you for quoting me. I mean this sincerely and without arrogance. I enjoy searching for truth and the points you bring up are things I want to explore further because even though I feel that God has given me a life of peace and happiness, I see that this is not how many people feel about God. That is why I want to explore it - to see our differences and discover why these differences occur. I have put up some evidence that leads me to make a calculated leap of faith, and believe what I do. It includes observations on Macroevolution and the Law of Probability among other things. I would like to see any evidence you have that has caused you to place your faith in what you believe. Yet again I say this with sincerity. I try to be open minded, please extend this courtesy to me as well:
And while there's a probability that God isn't the way how Christianity frames it, but the Christian religious dogma known as monotheism doesn't allow anything else but the Christian concept of God. Tell me, can your belief allow the practice of polytheism? That's the first step for equality and interdependency, not dominance through codependency.
Moreover, if you honestly wanna hear what people would say out in the open public, then don't exclude others through privatizing the conversation between yourself and other individuals.
What would happen if contraception and abortion were legal and provided by the governments for all women? Simple, there will be no unwanted pregnancy, resulting total reduction on orphans and single motherhood. With the added benefit of your religion loosing all purposes.
God himself said that huh? Bit arogant to believe you know what a God says isn't it? *And how do you know 500 people saw Jesus rise from the dead? Were you there? I find it ironic that a person who bases their faith on facts quotes these things when they are clearly not facts.
The story of Jesus is almost a carbon copy of the story of the story of Horus in the ancient Egyptian religion and also the story of Buddha both of which were around long before Jesus was supposively born and several centuries before Abrahamic religions came out. The fact the Jews say they came out of Egypt probably means they copied the Egyptian beliefs and changed the names around to glorify their new religion. Christianity of course absorbed beliefs of other religions since the Romans were around conquering and they oftem used to assimilate the religion of the places they took over like Egypt. Down the line it assimilates Abrahamic religion and mixes it with some of the Celtic religions in Europe and you get Christianity.
Believe in what you wish but do not preach and then claim you base your ideas on facts. What i have just said are facts based on historical accounts and proper research. Your facts are based on the bible which is a plagurised work used to control an Empire. And also your own beliefs.
I have read the Golden Bough by Frazer and the White Goddess, a historical grammer of poetic myth by Robert Graves and compared them to the Bible. I don't see it as conclusive evidence that the Bible has copied other myths, I think the opposite is true. I am aware of Chirstian's taking over pagan holidays and such in attempts to stop paganism, but the way I view Christianity is very simplistic and non materialistic.
I have no desire to shove my religion down your throat. This is my reference of God's view on "pure religion" - Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being poluted by the world. (James 1:27) I wanted to simply show how people view hell from a Christian point of view. You can take it or leave it. I obviously don't know everything, and I'm not pretending to. This information doesn't explain everything obviously, but it is enough for me.
This is why I believe in God:
When we look at something built by man, we know it had a builder. When we see something that has a design, we know a designer planned it. When we see artwork, we know there was an artist. When we observe order, say, objects lined up in a row, we know there was an “orderer” who set it up. When we look at the universe, at things not made by man, we see creation, design, art, and order. Is it possible there is a Creator, Designer, Artist, and Orderer behind the universe?
Cause and Effect: It is an indisputable universal law that says that for every material effect, there had to be a cause. There is nothing in the universe that doesn’t have a cause behind it. Where is the cause of the universe that exists outside of itself like all other effects? If you put all the pieces of a watch in a shoebox and shake it for 10 minutes, you don’t get a functioning watch. If you shook it for 500 billion years, would it then be a functioning watch? I only want to believe what is the most logical answer. If God is the cause of the universe, then one might wonder what the cause of God is. If something exists eternally then it would have none.
Moral Law: Where does man’s sense of morality come from? Humans have a desire for justice. Could it have come from chance processes, or is it also the effect of a cause? Why do isolated cultures have moral laws in common with other non-isolated cultures?
Looking at the two main branches of evolution: Microevolution, and Macroevolution, we see a lot of evidence of Microevolution (minor variations within a species) it would make sense that a God would give creatures a reasonable ability to adapt to their environments. It is easy to see that bacteria can become resistant to antibiotics. Microevolution is observable and measurable.
Macroevolution is the concept that successive small changes can, over time, change one species into another. It involves the addition of new features and body types. Macroevolution has never been observed and is therefore not scientific. Microevolution is limited by the genetic code. No features that are not already present in the creature’s DNA can ever be produced by natural selection. Example: Various breeds of dogs may appear to be quite different, but they’re all still dogs. Macroevolution must be proven for the theory of evolution to be true.
The origin of life:
It is accepted in Atheism that living matter came from non-living matter. There is a bit of a problem with this: It has been shown to be impossible. The scientific method requires repeatable observation to prove something, yet despite scientists’ earnest attempts they have never been able to create life from non-life. In fact, the opposite is the case. It is therefore unscientific and inaccurate for evolutionists to claim that spontaneous generation occurred- that nonliving chemicals produced living organisms sometime in the distant past. To prove macroevolution, scientists point to the similarities of various creatures and tell us that they’re obviously descended from a common evolutionary ancestor. If you line up cars of various styles from a certain manufacturer according to their size, would you believe that they obviously descended from a common evolutionary ancestor- or would you just think they simply had a common maker? If macroevolution were true, all species would have spent more time in transition than in completion. The fossil record should show us millions upon millions of transitional forms- creatures in the intermediate stages of evolution. No such fossil exists.
The missing link is still missing:
Nebraska man: a single tooth from which scientists sketched a complete man with tools and even a family. It was later found to have come from an extinct pig.
Piltdown Man: revealed to be a deliberate hoax. The skull fragment came from a modern human, and the jaw bone portion and two teeth came from an orangutan. The bones and teeth had been filed down and stained to appear ancient.
Java Man: Constructed from widely-scattered bones- a skull-cap and femur which were the unrelated parts of a human being and a giant gibbon.
Peking Man- Based on monkey-like skulls that were bashed in at the back. Because they were found with tools and bones it was assumed that these “tool-using apes” were man’s ancestors. Instead, it was discovered that these animals were man’s meal. The tools were used on them rather that by them.
Neanderthal man: determined to be completely human, though he suffered from dietary deficiencies.
Lucy: It was determined that humans walked upright before the time of Lucy.
Probability: The Law of Biogenesis proves that evolution is not possible. The complete lack of fossil evidence supports that conclusion. Let’s look at the Law of Probability. According to distinguished British astronomer Sir Frederick Hoyle, the number of trial assemblies of amino acids needed to give rise to the enzymes required for life, and their discovery by random shuffling, turns out to be less than 1 in 1 X 10 to the power of 40,000. Mathematicians say that any event in which the chances are beyond one in 10 to the power of 50 is impossible. It is an event that we can state with certainty will never happen, no matter how much time is allotted and no matter how many conceivable opportunities could exist for the event to take place. Dr. Harold Morowitz, former professor of biophysics at Yale University, estimated that the probability for the chance formation of the smallest, simplest form of a living organism known is one chance in 10 to the power of 340,000,000. Astronomer and evolutionist Carl Sagan estimated that the chance of life evolving on any single planet, including Earth, is one chance in 10 to the power of 2,000,000,000. Do you realize how huge that number is? It would take 6,000 books with 300 pages each just to write that number out. It ever anything was impossible, spontaneous generation would have to be it. According to the Law of Probability, then, the odds of life rising out of non-life are far beyond the realm of possibility. And that’s just for A SINGLE molecule to come to life.
Biochemist Dr. Michael Behe, who argues that evolution could never have given rise to the intricate structures of life, has identified something he calls “irreducible complexity.” This refers to an organism which is so complex that it could not have come together piece by piece and still function; all the parts must have come about at once in order to have any function at all. He sites a mousetrap as an example. All the pieces must be present at one time in order for it to function. A piece of wood won’t catch a mouse. A piece of wood and a spring won’t catch a mouse. A piece wood, a spring, and a hinge won’t catch a mouse. All the parts must be present, and arranged correctly, in order for the mousetrap to function. The same would be true for and irreducibly complex system. For instance, the knee joint consists of at least 16 essential characteristics, each requiring thousands of pieces of information to exist simultaneously in the genetic code. Therefore, the knee could not have evolved gradually but must have been created all at once as a whole fully functioning joint. Amazingly, Charles Darwin himself admitted that an idea such as “irreducible complexity,” if proven true, would demolish his theory. In the Origin of Species he wrote: “If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.” Some examples other than the knee are the human eye with its 100,000 separate motions in an average day, and carrying on its own maintenance work while we sleep. Furnished with automatic aiming, automatic focusing, and automatic aperture adjustment it is incredibly complex. It seems that only one sufficient cause can produce functionally integrated, irreducibly complex systems: an Intelligent Designer.
Evolution Defying Creatures:
The tick: It saliva contains anesthetic, compounds to disable the clotting mechanism, and it tricks the host’s immune system into keeping white cells away so that it may consume the red. Do you think random natural processes could have come up with this incredible chemical cocktail, or could this only come from an intelligent creator?
The Gecko Lizard: It can walk across the ceiling upside down without falling off. Its toe pads have an estimated 500 million tiny fibers tipped with little suction cups. In addition, the tips of the lizard’s toes bend upward so that it can peel off the suction cups gradually at each step and not get stuck to the surface. Why would the process of random mutations and blind chance put suction cups on the gecko’s feet? Only half a suction cup would make the gecko lunch for some other creature, too much and it’s not going anywhere. The Giraffe: The giraffe needs a powerful heart to pump blood up its long neck to the brain. If we want to believe in evolution, let’s imagine that the very first giraffe manages to evolve the two-foot-long heart it needs to get blood up a neck that long. Its heart is now so powerful, that as the giraffe bends its head down, the increased blood pressure is more than enough to burst the blood vessels in its brain. So the first giraffe must be intelligent enough to realize that an improvement is needed, and then set out to somehow grow and incredibly complex organic structure to fix the problem, and it must do so within a matter of days before it dies of thirst or brain damage. If not, this new species will surely be extinct, of course, how would it know an improvement was needed unless it first had a brain hemorrhage. It wouldn’t know anything then, it would be dead.
Is this enough evidence for you to think about making a calculated leap of faith based on logic? It is for me.
This is why I believe the Bible:
People don’t want to believe that there is a God because, once we know there is a God, we know we must answer to that God, and some people despite the evidence, refuse to go there for that reason. If you choose not to believe in God, then you are choosing to believe the following:
-There is no qualitative difference between humans and animals (I am a vegan, so am not saying we are better: therefore we should victimize animals!)
-There is ultimately no meaning in life.
-There is no life after death.
-There is no purpose to human history.
Does this fit well with your reasoning? Or do you intuitively know that humans have a special value and that there is a purpose behind your life?
We will all die one day. It is a fact. Reality is reality regardless of what we want to believe or think. Let’s say that now you believe there is something more to life? How do you know which belief is the correct one? 2 + 2 = 4. It is possible that there is only one right answer and a lot of wrong. 2 + 2 does not equal 6, or 10, not matter how good it sounds. Now that we see that God is the only logical explanation for how this universe was created in the face of all this evidence, who is this creator? Surely He wants His created beings to be able to know Him. Why would He create us and then leave us floundering in the dark on our own? It’s only logical that a God would give humans a way to find Him- a written record telling us about Himself, His character, and His plan for mankind. There are many possible answers to who this God might be.
-Buddhists don’t believe so much in a God as in continual reincarnation leading to one’s eventual re-absorption into the universe. The Muslim god is Allah, a severe, unloving judge. To New Agers, everyone and everything is a god- you and I are gods. Many Hindus view God as Brahman, a universal spirit that everyone is a part of. But while many Hindus don’t acknowledge a Supreme Being, they do worship 330 million lesser gods. To Jews, God is the Creator- a personal, all-powerful Spirit who revealed himself to Abraham and to the prophets, promising someday to manifest as the Messiah. To Christians, God is that same Creator. They believe He manifested as Jesus, the Messiah, in order to destroy the sin barrier between man and God by the sacrifice of Himself, and that He will come again to judge everyone. There are many other beliefs about who or what God is. Some people think it’s intolerant or arrogant for anyone to claim that only one belief system is true so all the others are false. But as you can see, each religion offers a concept of God that is contradictory to that of other religions. Therefore they can’t all be true. They could all be wrong, but certainly can’t all be right.
How do we decide which one- if any, is right? In order to determine the validity of each option, first we would have to examine the religious texts of the various belief systems. Then we would have to apply some sort of test to see which one is true. One thing we must remember is, It doesn’t matter what I believe, what matters is what is true. Be careful that you search for what is true, not just for something that you already believe. Make sure you have evidence to prove that you’re taking a calculated leap of faith into eternity, not a blind leap. Once you have found true religious text, you have your answer about which belief is true.
Reincarnation is a popular belief (in Hinduism, Buddhism, Transcendental Meditation, and various occult and New Age Circles, among others) Let’s take a minute to think about how it might work. The mechanism of reincarnation is based on the supposed “law of karma,” in which good deeds and bad deeds are tallied and used as the basis for determining a person’s fate in the next life. One’s good karma may earn them a better status or some good fortune in the next life, while one’s bad karma will bring suffering into that life that matches the wrong done in the past. Reincarnation typically ends only when one has advanced enough to have neither good karma nor bad karma, and is totally neutral. Then one will be absorbed into an impersonal “universal consciousness” in which the individual self ceases to exist. That is, the end result is the complete annihilation of the finite self. The individual becomes “one with the universe.”
-Who or what is able to keep track of each deed of each person who has ever lived in order to make the karmic circle work? Such an entity would have to be:
*Everywhere (omnipresent) - to be able to see all people at all times and know their thoughts and motivations.
*All knowing (omniscient) – in order to keep a running tally of all those billions of individuals and their actions, and to determine whether someone deserves a cosmic thumbs-up or thumbs-down for the next life.
*All powerful (omnipotent) – able to enforce its decisions
*Good- having a pure sense of morality that knows exactly what is “good” and what is “bad” in very particular situation. It also must be righteous enough to make a just judgment in assigning how the person will be spending that future life.
Now we’ve defined what the universe would have to be like in order to implement reincarnation. But it seems rather than some impersonal “cosmic force,” these requirements describe a separate, personal, all-knowing, ever-present, all-powerful, moral, just, intelligent, righteous Being. In addition, if individuals will have their actions justly judged as right or wrong, they would have to know in advance what the definitions of right and wrong are. They would also need to be able to see where they are on the karmic scale. After all, wouldn’t a fair God let people know where they stand? A fair, righteous, just God would tell us very clearly who He is, how we can know Him, and what we can expect in eternity. He would also give us clear guidelines to know what is right and wrong, and let us know how we’re doing.
Unlike other religious writings the Bible does that. It is a compilation of 66 books written by more than 40 writers over a period of 1600 years that reads like one book by one author. The unity, harmony, and accuracy of the Bible cannot be compared with that of any other book. The Bible is, by its very existence, evidence of a Divine Hand writing through devoted men. If you have a favorite holy book other than the Bible, you may want to argue that. Let me explain to you why the Bible is unique.
- The Bible is the best selling book of all time. Many books have sold thousands, some have sold millions, and some have even passed the ten million mark. By comparison, Bible sales are about 150 million per year, with approximately four billion Bibles in Print, in over 2,000 languages. No other book even comes close. There is something about it that draws people all over the world to want to read it.
- The Bible claims to be written by God. All other religious texts were written by men who claimed to be speaking for God. Men wrote the Bhagavad-Gita; men who knew Mohammed, or knew of him, wrote the Koran long after his death; a man wrote the Book of Mormon, claiming that an angel gave him the translation of ancient golden plates; Mary Baker Eddy wrote the central book of Christian Science, Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures first published by Eddy in 1879. Only the Bible claims to have been written by God speaking to men. Over 3,000 times the Bible says, “Thus saith the Lord.” What other book ever written has ever said something like that so many times? In no way, shape, or form is that book claiming human authorship.
Historical evidence supports the Bible: To prove something historically, you have to look at several things. One thing to consider is the original or early manuscripts of that document. Then we must ask: How close the original is what we have today? In the case of the Bible, today we have over 24,000 ancient copies of portions of the New Testament. The next closest in all of antiquity is Homer’s Iliad, of which we have 643. Also among ancient writings, there is no other text that has manuscripts that come as close in time to the original writing as the Bible does. We would never dismiss any old texts of the Iliad or Odyssey, and we shouldn’t dismiss the Bible when it has much better documentation to back it up.
In addition, the Bible must be free of any know contradictions. If a book contradicts itself, then it isn’t reliable. Dr. Gleason Archer said: “As I have dealt with one apparent discrepancy after another and have studied the alleged contradictions between the biblical record and the evidence of linguistics, archeology, or science, my confidence in the trustworthiness of Scripture has been repeatedly verified and strengthened.” If you study the Bible and find something you believe to be a contradiction, do further research on it. Don’t base your eternal destiny on what other people say without checking out the facts for yourself. Please research all I have written here for yourself, and make your decision.
The external evidence of for the Bible is also amazing. Tacitus, a Roman historian, and Josephus, a Jewish historian, both support the historical accuracy of the Bible. For example, there were seventeen secular historians who wrote about the death of Jesus by crucifixion. This could not have been concocted by a group of men: External historical records attest to the truth of the Bible. The Bible accurately describes history down to the smallest of details, and history attests to the accuracy of scripture. For example, the rise and fall of great empires like Greece and Rome. (Daniel 2:39-40) and the destruction of major cities (for instance, Tyre, Sidon; Isaiah 23) are described in the Bible. Tyre’s demise is also recorded by other ancient historians. They tell how- after king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon failed in a thirteen-year attempt to capture the seacoast city-Alexander the Great laid siege to it for seven months and completely destroyed it and its inhabitants.
Intensive and prolonged study have shown that the historical accuracy of the Bible is far superior to the written records of Egypt, Assyria, and other early Nations.
Scientific evidence supports the Bible: One of the most convincing pieces of evidence supporting the truth of the Bible is the scientific nature of that book.
*About 2,500 years ago, science said that there were around 1,100 stars in the sky. But at about the same time, the prophet Jeremiah said (33:22), “…the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured…) Jeremiah said they were uncountable. (Of course God, who- “…telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names.” Psalm 147:4 -can count them.)
*Science used to teach that the world sat on the back of a large animal. The reason scientists taught this is because they couldn’t believe that the flat earth wasn’t supported by something.
*Job 26:7 says of God, “He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.” That statement was written 3,500 years ago. The Bible has always said that the earth is hanging in space. And, of course, with our science and our space exploration today, we know that to be a fact.
*Hebrews 11:3 – “Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.” This statement was written almost 2,000 years ago. From this, we see that the Bible has always stated that things that we see are made of invisible things. We know there are invisible elements called “atoms.”
*In the book of Job, written 3,500 years ago, we read, “Canst thou send lightnings, they may go, and say unto thee, ‘Here we are?’” (Job 38:35) The Bible here is making a scientifically ludicrous statement – that light can be sent, and then manifest itself in speech. Bud did you know that radio waves move at the speed of light? This is why you can have instantaneous wireless communication with someone on the other side of earth. Science didn’t discover this until 1864 when the British scientist James Clerk Maxwell suggested that electricity and light waves were two forms of the same thing.
*Once again, the Bible is scientifically accurate. 2,800 years ago, Isaiah also made an interesting observation. He said: “It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. (Isaiah 40:22) Ray Comfort, in Scientific Facts in the Bible, said: “The Bible informs us here that the earth is round. At a time when science believes that the earth was flat…”
The creator of this universe knows how His creation operates, and has given us evidence of that fact throughout the Bible. What is logic telling you?
Fulfilled prophecy supports the Bible. The scientific evidence for the Bible is absolutely stunning, but how can you know that the Bible is the word of God?
-One hundred percent accuracy in foretelling the future is the only way to know.
What do you think is the only book in the world that contains hundreds of very detailed prophecies and records of the fulfillment of those prophecies? The answer is the Bible. The Book of Mormon for Latter Day Saints doesn’t; the Koran for Muslims doesn’t; the Bhagavad-Gita for Hindus doesn’t. In all the writings of Buddha, Confucius, and Lao-Tsu, you will not find a single example of prophesy being fulfilled. In the Koran, the only instance of a specific prophecy is when Mohammed predicted that he himself would return to Mecca- a prophecy very easy for him to fulfill himself.
The Bible on the other hand, contains more than 2,000 detailed prophecies in the Old Testament alone. In fact, twenty-five percent of the Bible is predictive in nature. And except for the prophecies that tell about the End Time return of Jesus, every single prophecy – including those about political, religious, intellectual, and geographic events leading up the return of Jesus Christ to earth – has been fulfilled down to the smallest detail. One of the interesting things about the Bible is that it says that anyone who does not predict with 100 percent accuracy is a false prophet. Prophesy is important because it demonstrates who God is and that He can be trusted. “Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me. Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet don’t, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
…yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it. (Isaiah 46:9-11)
God says He will declare the end from the beginning. If He says something through His prophets that He will do something, He will do it. Let’s see if that is true.
The Old Testament was finished more than 400 years before the New Testament was written. To see how good God’s predictive ability was, let’s take a look at a small portion of those Old Testament prophecies that predict who the Messiah, the expected Savior, would be.
1. Old Testament: Isaiah 7:14 reads, “Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign; Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.” This prophesy was fulfilled by Yeshua (the Hebrew name of Jesus), as we read in the New Testament: “Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. But when he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and though shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not til she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus. (Mathew 1:18-25)
God said that He would bring forth a Son from a virgin and He did.
2. The Old Testament prophesies that this Messiah, the Son who would be “Immanuel, God with us,” would truly be the incarnation of Almighty God: For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)
And the New Testament says:
[Jesus said] But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by then in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. (Acts 1:8-11) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. (John 8:58)
God said that Messiah would be “The Mighty God, The everlasting Father,” in human form – and He was.
3. The Old Testament also prophesies that, even while occupying a human body in this world, the Savior Messiah would be the Son of God: I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. (Psalm 2:7)
-This prophesy was fulfilled in Mathew 3:17, which says: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
-It was again confirmed in Mathew 17:5: While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
-Luke 22:66-71 says: And as soon as it was day, the elders of the people and the chief priests and the scribes came together, and led him into their council, saying, Art though the Christ? Tell us. And he said unto them, If I tell you, ye will not believe: And if I also ask you, ye will not answer me, nor let me go. Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God, “Ye say that I am. And they said, “What need we any further witness? For we ourselves have heard of his own mouth.
We see that God said He would have a son and He did.
If you wish, I will also put up scriptural references like the ones above, of God saying His Son would be born in Bethlehem, which He was- that God said His Son pre-existed all things, and He did- That God said his Son would be a prophet, and He was. - That God said His Son would have an unusual manifestation of the Holy Spirit, and He did. – That God said His Son would perform miracles, and He did.
Also, hundred of years before the Son of God walked on Planet Earth, it was predicted that He would rise from the dead and He did. – God said His Son would be betrayed by a friend who ate with him, and He was. – God had said that the price of His Son’s betrayer would be thirty pieces of silver, and it was. – God said His Son would be mocked, and He was.
The book of Psalms describes how the Messiah would die in detail before it happened and before crucifixion was used. If you want, I can put those references up too. Think of the Law of Probability. There are so many more I haven’t even listed. I beg you to seek the truth, regardless of our wishes, reality is reality. In the Bible, men’s and women’s sins and mistakes in life are clearly recorded. Why wouldn’t they try to make themselves look better for historical record? To open my eyes to all the things I can is my goal. I am not anywhere near perfect. I am only a humble pilgrim searching for the truth, no matter how much of a burden and responsibility it is. My life is a happy one, and I have been victimized by hypocritical Christians like you probably have been, but I will not let them mar my vision of the truth when I see it. I beg you to do the same.
*I did not say they saw him rise from the dead. I said they saw him after he rose from the dead.
You wanna play pseudosciences and bad philosophical debates? Let's dance:
1)Cause and Effect: by proclaiming that God just exists throughout all eternity, you broke that logic without solving the paradox that you created with the said logic; when you claimed that God is outside of His own law of "cause and effect", there lies the possibility that there's no such thing as "cause and effect".
2)Moral Law: by stating a claim at religions "moral law," you opened for criticisms on the biblical justifications of prejudice, rape, abuse, torture, and genocide.
3)Macroevolution: you wanna debunk evolution as a whole without showing real genetic evidence that it never happened? The fact that humans as a specie share great genetic similarity with fruit flies, and even greater similarity with chimps, means that you can' explain how the similarities came to be without the theory of evolution as a whole.
4)Living matter came from non-living matter: Case in point.
5)Missing link: Irrelevant compared to human migration pattern before prehistory, which dated way before the bible itself.
6)The Law of Biogenesis: not even a real science compared to genetic evidence.
7)Irreducible Complexity: No real evidence on how complexity isn't the result of genetic variation through mutation and natural selection.
8)Evolution Defying Creatures: Define the creator of an "intelligent creator", without making the logic fallacy in 1).
So not only your logic and reasoning were faulty, your bible is also full of holes, contradictions, and inconsistency:
1)You claimed that God's ultimately responsible for human meanings and purposes? When you can't even establish a categorical reason why humans can socailize meanings and purposes from cultures and languages alone, without invoking God.
2)"They could all be wrong, but certainly can’t all be right.": then even the Christian concept of God could be wrong, when insofar none of your logic and reasoning seem right.
3)The bible is the best selling book that's still preaching the "flat earth/dome-shaped sky" claim, against all natural evidences proving otherwise. And that's a fact.
4)In no ways that God can still claim that He wrote the bible himself, without Himself made His presence known directly to everyone in open public. Lack of transparency means lack of trust.
5)Historical evidences proved biblical accuracy? What about the moral, ethical, logical, and natural evidences that proved the relatively more fallacies in the bible?
6)The bible is also a record on just how much the Christian God had been wrong throughout history.
Last but not least, what's all that had got to do with the concept of Hell itself? Before you pull out even more red herrings logic fallacy, all the while you failed to challenge my argument.
Strong enough for men, made for women. Anything less will be uncivilized.
So, endless torment or self-deception? Hmm, I wonder which one is spineless and cowardly. Maybe the latter one...