Competition and its use
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i have been pondering something for a long time now and its been gnawing away at me day by day to the point at which i ask myself finally to pose the question publicly instead of just letting it eat away at my mind.
i want to know what the point of competition is.
what purpose does competition serve exactly.
i know there are ideas that suggest that its natural and that it survival of the fittest.
and there are people who say we should all be friends and there are opinions that both ideas can coexist somehow.
it seems to me that people need to be needed or they feel empty, not all people but enough of them are like this. to be bested in a skill or ability is to lose usefulness and become superfluous, at least from a practicality standpoint it is. this is a kind of survival of the fittest module i would say so its not in any way universal. some of us master skills with no survival use such as basket ball or video-games or just about any kind of game i guess. some of these skills may have an indirect use in survival but non the less have no inherent value. i have noticed that there are people who find these talents to be so important as to spend their entire lives trying to be the best at them and i find it odd that they do so. i have heard that games and sports of any kind were meant to be a diversion or time sink to help prevent boredom and to allow people to have "fun" and there are some who become "serious" about these "fun" games for what ever reason be it that there is money to be made by using it as a spectacle to be sold or as some kind of inherent gain such as a business competing and succeeding. i find the question i ask is a lot more complex the deeper i go and the more i think about it. it just keeps becoming more and more trifling. i know some believe that I'm wasting my time here and maybe i suppose others do not. i just want to know why we place such high regard on competition that has no practical value aside from curing our boredom. we have decided that the losers should feel bad and to be honest they often do and that the winners should feel great just because that is their privilege. does this mean that a game is merely a way for one person to ruin another persons day just so they can get a high? there is a winner and a loser in every competition and that means that some one ends up feeling like crap just because. our society sees competition as some kind of inherent measuring stick to determine whether or not a person is worthy of honor or not. i find it hard to swallow that every waking moment of human life should be spent struggling to put one over on another person just so they can get that job or that medal or that gamer-score. do we even remember why we invented such games to begin with? do we recall that some of them are just there to be "fun" while others are there to be useful? the practical games we play even such as business or career competition seem to have lost their original value or purpose and seem to have degraded into some sort of rat race where the meaning of competition for the overall benefit of human society has been removed and replaced by petty infighting. we created such practical value competition to encourage society to be productive and do good for the whole not to become a cancer that feeds off of it. the use of competition has been turned in the last 4-5 thousand years into a cesspool of corruption where those with integrity are dishonored for their good intentions. certainly competition has proven to be important in our society to keep it growing and evolving but it has become a burden at the same time. Marx tried to fix it and failed for obvious reasones. he tried to over simplify it and the truth is we need competition even when it hurts us. i just want to know is there an answer to this chaos and social degeneration engineering that can save our society that has not been tried or considered in the past? i just want to have peace and to no longer feel the fangs of my rivals sinking into me every day just because they have no idea how else to be. i get how important free market is and how good it can be but is there anything else not thought of to improve on that design? so i ask you what do you imagine is the answer to this perplexing question? is there an answer or do you just not even care? i hope to hear some interesting responses from you all.
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Posted 4/9/11
next time use [wall of text alert] will ya its called the Enter key! plus this would be better in the extended discussion imo

regardless of what u do u cant stop competition its in our genes its how we are here today we go to the supermarket to "hunt" and such

competition causes innovation whether this is between businesses,the daily training regiments of anything we do, or just plain how it helps us learn

im reminded of a saying "it's never 'just a game' when your team is winning"

Posted 4/9/11
This subject isn't much to discuss.

Competition is seen in nature over basic necessities. That's the purpose of it. Beyond that, there are what humans call "prizes".
Posted 4/10/11
Rivals keep you on your toes, and the lack of new challenges in life will only dull you down, dumbing you and giving you wasted potential. Competition exists for both serious and fun. To me? It's serious. I hate losing, because to me that means I'm ifnerior and weak. I'm neither weak nor inferior, however my ideology dictates that if I didn't win that does make me weak.

Do you know what the loser gets? Pity, condolences, to me that is just further insult. Saying I could have won is like saying I didn't try, or that it was simply due to a mistake I made.

Do you know what the winner gets? Compliments, status, goodwill. This is what everyone wants, because it's been ingrained in our instincts and mind that winning is good; losing isn't.

I personally use competition as a way to measure myself. This isn't limited to my physical activity but also videogames and puzzles. If life was with no challenges, I would have killed myself out of boredom. Do you think a world without competition would be better? I wouldn't, because humans will always subconsciously follow the rule of animals: Survival of the fittest.

If you can't protect what matters most, then you'll have nothing. And deserve it.


This is my opinion on the subject of competition.
Posted 4/10/11
Like i've told many many times before. We are here to enjoy the experience of learning, the experience of games, experience the life itself in physical form.

We know everything already but to enjoy something that we already know is impossible because we got it already theres no more to learn therefore we have to forget it and find it again to get the feeling again.

And now you're in that body without any memory of it, learning and experiencing it again.

Its just a ride, why won't have fun and play the game, there don't have to be meaning behind the chess, right?

Posted 4/10/11
I'm not competitive unless it's judo, fighting, or for work. Other than that I could care less. I just don't like people who are competitive all the time or for stupid things, like thinking because you beat me in tekken or some other game and then you think you can take me in real life, nuh uh someones getting put in their place in the real world with that kind of attitude.

Also competing for girls, I don't do it, unless I really like her and think she's freaking amazing I won't compete for her, especially against some guy I know will treat her like crap or hurt her in the end. Why? Because if I'm good to her, I treat her well, I am there for her when she needs me and my competition is a guy who is known for cheating on his girlfriends, flirts with every girl he sees, and only likes her because she is "hot"... Seriously it's not even worth the effort.
Posted 4/10/11 , edited 4/10/11
Your OP definitely is in need of paragraphs and proper sentence punctuation.

I don't see competition to be the be all and end all, that's just part of life, sometimes you win some and sometimes you lose. And being a douche at the face of victory isn't manly at all. Same goes for devaluing yourself at the face of loss.

In my opinion competition can only measure a persons skill and should be in no way used to measure self worth.
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sorry I didn't read first post, too long

well competitions aren't really that bad because it makes you stronger. and u can't always win because sometimes we lose. but don't mind it coz you can use that so that the next time you compete, you'll learn ur weakness and what ur lacking on why u lose. you learn from ur experience and improve yourself. but imo, competitions for me were just for fun and to test myself, but there were competitions that we can't afford to lose for some reasons.
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Posted 4/10/11
tl;dr

2nd place is the 1st loser.
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Posted 4/30/11
Moved to Extended Discussion

This type of thread is too DEEP for General discussion :(

In my opinion, competitions is what drives us humans to get the "prize" that serves as the final outcome for only one succeeding competitor out of a group and the self satisfaction that tends to come out of it.
Posted 5/1/11
You must lose first, before you can become a champion.

Competition teaches that and our capacity for failure, whether you gain from your failures is entirely up to you.

Posted 5/1/11

Chained_Angel wrote:

You must lose first, before you can become a champion.

Competition teaches that and our capacity for failure, whether you gain from your failures is entirely up to you.
What's JK Rowling's "The fringe benefits of failure". However societal failure doesn't require the existence of competition, when it can very well be caused by a lack of collaboration due to over-competition.
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crartonis wrote:

i want to know what the point of competition is.
what purpose does competition serve exactly.
i know there are ideas that suggest that its natural and that it survival of the fittest.
it seems to me that people need to be needed or they feel empty....... to be bested in a skill or ability is to lose usefulness and become superfluous, at least from a practicality standpoint it is.
i have noticed that there are people who find these talents to be so important as to spend their entire lives trying to be the best at them and i find it odd that they do so.
i want to know why we place such high regard on competition [...with...] no practical value aside from curing our boredom. we have decided that the losers should feel bad and they often do..... winners should feel great because [...it's...] their privilege. does this mean a game is merely a way for one person to ruin another's day just so they can get a high?
our society sees competition as some kind of inherent measuring stick to determine whether or not a person is worthy of honor or not.


There seems to be a bit of confusion as to how competitiveness relates to self esteem. A competition where a definitive winner is declared & all others become losers ( shall we say " not winners" ? ) probably should not be entered by someone seeking a higher personal value measured only by the win. That kind of perspective is actually setting up a comparison, not a competitive situation.
It goes w/o saying not all who enter a competition seek only to dominate the other guys. Anybody entering with this worry, is probably guaranteed a loss. Since the only competitor we have any control over is ourself, it makes to sense enter seeking just our own personal best, & leave comparisons to the critics.


crartonis wrote:
the use of competition has been turned in the last 4-5 thousand years into a cesspool of corruption where those with integrity are dishonored for their good intentions. certainly competition has proven to be important in our society to keep it growing and evolving but it has become a burden at the same time..... i just want to know is there an answer to this chaos and social degeneration engineering that can save our society that has not been tried or considered in the past?

i just want to have peace and to no longer feel the fangs of my rivals sinking into me every day just because they have no idea how else to be..... so i ask you what do you imagine is the answer to this perplexing question? is there an answer or do you just not even care? i hope to hear some interesting responses from you all.

The peace you're seeking begins w/ you. Forgive the platitude, but it really does. It's all in the attitude!
Someone in a constant tizzy over the fangs of their rival is just as guilty of the "self preservation" mentality polluting the otherwise friendly competitiveness of daily living. If we go forth in life seeking the positive, keeping an open mind when we encounter the inevitable hurdles, & never worry when the jerks out there move or steal our cheese, we can rise above the rat race of burdensome competitiveness.
Can't say I've always felt this way, or personally figured it all out. I owe a lot to myriad discussions & thot exchanges w/ my philosophy majored son- who, even before his college pursuit exemplified the laid back "don't worry, be happy" lifestyle even as he strove for better grades, or enthusiastically challenged the opposition on the soccer field, etc.

[ p.s. hope you don't mind my bit of paraphrasing & editing, while quoting you...? ]
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Posted 5/3/11
I think it's because some people have really nice stuff, so other people want to have their stuff and will win it through a race or something. Lets make peace and not jealousy!
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