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Are we Event Driven?
Posted 5/4/11 , edited 5/4/11
On occasions, I'm not event driven.
For example, the recent royal wedding.

I don't give a shit. Even the royal kiss at the balcony.
The so-called royals are nothing but puppet display figures in this era.




But I do give a shit when Miami is kicking Boston's ass.
Posted 5/4/11

onibrotonel wrote:

On occasions, I'm not event driven.
For example, the recent royal wedding.

I don't give a shit. Even the royal kiss at the balcony.
The so-called royals are nothing but puppet display figures in this era.




But I do give a shit when Miami is kicking Boston's ass.
That doesn't make you any less event driven than the next consumer, when you were indoctrinated by the socialization of the consumerist culture from cradle to grave.
Posted 5/4/11

DomFortress wrote:


onibrotonel wrote:

On occasions, I'm not event driven.
For example, the recent royal wedding.

I don't give a shit. Even the royal kiss at the balcony.
The so-called royals are nothing but puppet display figures in this era.




But I do give a shit when Miami is kicking Boston's ass.
That doesn't make you any less event driven than the next consumer, when you were indoctrinated by the socialization of the consumerist culture from cradle to grave.


True.
There are times we can only be spectators and not participants to an actual event.
We don't even know how depth the situation is when the media themselves are fabricating what things we could/couldn't know.

Media is very very deceptive.

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Posted 5/4/11

onibrotonel wrote:



True.
There are times we can only be spectators and not participants to an actual event.
We don't even know how depth the situation is when the media themselves are fabricating what things we could/couldn't know.

Media is very very deceptive.

"I [like] have [like] a serious confession [like]" ~~ RemiFebruary
However, when the media claims that it's only feeding whatever that we wanted to know, compound that with our own tendency for confirmation bias and self-deception. It's no wonder that due to the preexisting market incentive known as the rating, our cultural sphere is being bought out by whoever that can afford to speak out whatever that they want us to believe. Without transparency, honesty, nor sincerity.

And honestly, when there's this much successful manipulations all around us, the concept model known as "free market" is but a myth. Just like any other mirage of security, initially making us feel safe and secure from such reality as the paradox of near infinite choices, the real science behind human motivation, or how our modern economy was actually built around vanity.
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Posted 5/5/11

randygal wrote:

Are we driven by events and therefore have no free will because our actions are predetermined by conditions?



Are our actions really predetermined? What predetermines these "conditions?"


randygalWhat I'm trying to say here is that multiple variables throughout your environment can predetermine your actions based on current and past events.


Your use of the word "can" in this instance undermines the meaning of "predetermine." I think the word you are searching for is "influence" not "predetermine."

Many factors can influence an action (as seen in subliminal advertising), however none can perfectly "predetermine" an action. To some extent, our actions can be elicited from us by various "events" as you called it, however there is always the possibility that an unforeseen factor may potentially ruin or change these "events." Thus although this concept of "predetermined actions" would make sense in theory, it is impossible to see this manifest in reality. This is because everything is related, yet at the same time unrelated.
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I think we are both...events definately do affect what we do, but this seems to all be happening on a subconscious level. One can make subconscious happenings conscious ones if they are recognized for what they are (if one actually *realizes* that they are happening, *when* they are happening). So I think we have free will if you have enough awareness of what you're doing at the moment...in other words, if you are aware that free will exists and that this free will of yours is being continually influenced by everything that goes on around you, then you can consciously choose to act in spite of it. you can chose not to turn the heat up, for instance. Your feet will be cold, so you'll pay the price for having gone against your instincts, but you will have excersized free will all the same. Then because you must have known that you'd have cold feet for not turning the heat up, you must have been prepared to recognize/accept and then resist the instinctual 'angry' emotions that would come with it. Then when your girlfriend knocks on the door - which would have made you punch her had you not resisted those emotions - you will have been able to supress those emotions and greet her nicely. I think that it's all about self-control...it depends on how intent you are on having free will.
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