Women abuse! Women are the victims Men are the monsters!
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For the UK, USA, CANADA.
Women abuse! Women are the victims Men are the monsters! Domestic Violence - 1 in 4 Women - 1/4 statistics is false and in a real investigation we find that both women being abused and men are equal resting around 4.2% or 4.1% Far from 1 in 4 women that would equal 25.0%. That means that men are just as likely to be abused by women as the women being abused.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5AOj6EhRuY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31TYJeaQHv8
Being this is crunchyroll, I add in anime to this subject.
As in anime its ok for the women to beat or hit the male characters, but not ok for a man to hit a lady, why is it ok for ladies to hit men, and be violent? What gives them the right? Did you ever thing what a bitch why can she get away with hitting him, in anime like Love Hina, ext ext.

Example of Americas gender equality hypocrisy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks

And its not just middle America, Canada is far worse, a lady can admit to abusing the man, and kids yet still get custody of the kids over the man, even if the man has never down any crime.
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its impossible to go into this subject without coming out in some way as the bad guy...

maybe is a form of penance for all the hassle men gave to women in our history

any man striking a women is often pegged as the bad guy or some form of whether its on the news or in an anime, while when a woman strikes a man its considered the norm

this is a bit off topic but...




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uhohimdead wrote:

its impossible to go into this subject without coming out in some way as the bad guy...

maybe is a form of penance for all the hassle men gave to women in our history

any man striking a women is often pegged as the bad guy or some form of whether its on the news or in an anime, while when a woman strikes a man its considered the norm

this is a bit off topic but...






'Looking like a monster is what we do.. For having a opinion that goes against the majority, or just reacting to the injustices that we see around you.. Someone is going to perceive you as a monster no matter how you look at things. Its how they go around justifying their own actions or lack of actions.'

but the fact is certain groups are getting away with lien to the public about certain things, then act like hypocrites every chance they get.
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So you want to discuss why women can and men not?
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nanuq wrote:

So you want to discuss why women can and men not?


'The reason I did not make it 100% clear is I wanted you to think about it and come to a conclusion of this debate for one self, by using the information I given you.

Not why men cant and ladies can.. But your opinion on your reaction to this situation. Say your being attacked by some girl and she had you backed in a corner and a bunch of people are just walking by but doing nothing to stop it. How would you react.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

'The reason I did not make it 100% clear is I wanted you to think about it and come to a conclusion of this debate for one self, by using the information I given you.

Not why men cant and ladies can.. But your opinion on your reaction to this situation. Say your being attacked by some girl and she had you backed in a corner and a bunch of people are just walking by but doing nothing to stop it. How would you react.


Depends on how fat she is, if she's slim I'd just pick her up and move her to the side and go. ;-)
I presume that people stereotypically think I'm capable of defending myself in an unharmful way, reason why they just walk by without tending a hand for rescue. So seriously, first I'd try to solve the issue with words, and if that doesn't help then physical action is required, I presume. Maybe calling the police? Hard to tell, to be honest. I can't even imagine ever being cornered by a woman. Maybe making a naughty joke, like "Damn it turns me on when you hit me " to dumbfound her and take the chance and run as fast as speedy gonzalez ;-)
Posted 4/17/11 , edited 4/17/11
Guys will push ladies around, makes them feel big, yet some women love the abuse. Interesting how it is, but biologically, the big, dominant ape sometimes has to lay down the law. However, being human means we have ideals, and abuse doesn't count as an effective solution, especially not for women. I feel that a man is bigger for not resorting to violence against the opposite sex.
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uhohimdead wrote:

its impossible to go into this subject without coming out in some way as the bad guy...

maybe is a form of penance for all the hassle men gave to women in our history

any man striking a women is often pegged as the bad guy or some form of whether its on the news or in an anime, while when a woman strikes a man its considered the norm


this is a bit off topic but...


Power without oversight due to intentional ignorance leads to abuse, while human sexual dimorphism within the context of biology has nothing to do with it.


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'The reason I did not make it 100% clear is I wanted you to think about it and come to a conclusion of this debate for one self, by using the information I given you.

Not why men cant and ladies can.
. But your opinion on your reaction to this situation. Say your being attacked by some girl and she had you backed in a corner and a bunch of people are just walking by but doing nothing to stop it. How would you react.
First of all, according to your source here, abuse doesn't even begins from physical confrontation, but instead cutting off respond through intentional ignorance is also a form of abuse. A lack of interaction and communication is a form of psychosocial abuse, but interestingly and ironically, that was by large still being ignored and alienated by the government's and the mainstream medias' social statistics. As according to your source here.

So even the "1in 4" abuse rate guesstimate was just that, an educated guess. When the real rate could be even higher, because it's embedded within our acculturation of the masculine gender ideology to ignore human emotions, within a gender stratified world that's the modern Western society.

BTW, due to globalization, this form of injustice is becoming a worldwide trend through cultural diffusion. And historically this all started when more relatively egalitarian societies around the world were assimilated by colonization, and later on by urbanization/modernization/industrialization. So that the social elites can have near complete control and ownership on the means of productions through propagating consumerism, as foretold by social conflict theory. Incidentally, it's within the absence of social alienation, that's what Marx had in mind for his ideal communist society.

Finally, while domestic abuse happening in the private sphere cannot be intervened by bystanders, both stratification and alienation within our society are subsequently causing what's known as the "Bystander Effect." Where lo and behold, people in open public are just cutting off respond through intentional ignorance. And then you got this utterly delusional assumption/expectation/perception of the self:

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Depends on how fat she is, if she's slim I'd just pick her up and move her to the side and go. ;-)
I presume that people stereotypically think I'm capable of defending myself in an unharmful way, reason why they just walk by without tending a hand for rescue.
So seriously, first I'd try to solve the issue with words, and if that doesn't help then physical action is required, I presume. Maybe calling the police? Hard to tell, to be honest. I can't even imagine ever being cornered by a woman. Maybe making a naughty joke, like "Damn it turns me on when you hit me " to dumbfound her and take the chance and run as fast as speedy gonzalez ;-)
... when he couldn't even begin to imagine how can women be abusive. Well the answer is simple: women became like men by themselves socially internalized the masculine social role, because that's the culturally perceived dominate social role model by the mainstream medias, where stratification of others and alienation of human emotions are the norms. Yet these cultural practices are also the negative social forces that set the infamous Lucifer Effect into fully institutionalized human behavior.

So my solution to this is go proactive, by raising societal awareness through open-source innovation and information aggregation, that would subsequently create civil change using cognitive surplus within the cultural sphere of collective learning. Otherwise it's too late and often ineffective to depend on mere human reactions.

Then again, organization and institutionalization using cultural innovation are themselves neutral powers. Therefore it's understandable how abuse can become organized gang violence through the same principles. Case in point The United Nations, with their innovation of the Oriental warrior clan cultural values of "Honor, Loyalty, Respect." They successfully organized more than a hundred of young men from different ethnic cultural backgrounds, mostly made up of middle and upper middle class economic means:

'Honour, loyalty, respect.'

Coulter does not like talking about the group's ideology and ritual, most of it developed and introduced by Roueche. But details have come out in court documents in both Canada and the U.S.

"The gang originated from a group of high school friends in the Chilliwack/Abbotsford area," one Vancouver police affidavit from 2007 said. "In the early days of the UN gang, they were linked to Asian organized crime. Today, the gang has links to outlaw motorcycle gangs, Indo-Canadian and independent organized crime groups as well."

They chose the name United Nations to reflect their cultural diversity, and also as a jab at the Hells Angels' policy of excluding minorities.


Members solved disputes with rivals by organizing fights. They were also big into mixed martial arts competitions and eastern philosophy. UN gangsters wore clothing and jewelry bearing the group's name or the motto: "Honour, loyalty, respect."

Those three words in Chinese characters are tattooed on Coulter's shoulder.

"I liked honour, loyalty and respect. I thought those were good virtues," he said. "You honour your family, you respect others -- you treat others the way you want to be treated."

He was presented with two gold bands by the gang -- one saying United, the other Nations. When pushed together they mean the member is serious -- when apart, they're resting.

"I knew I was part of something before I got the rings. The rings were just labelling it -- it was making it bigger," he explained. "We wanted to compare maybe to the HA."

But for Coulter, the sense of belonging was more important than the physical symbols of the UN gang.

"You go to a club with 20, 30, 40 guys and as soon as you get there, you give hugs to everyone -- it is like a family right? And that is something I never had. I never had a family. So that was my family. And what I want to do is I want to show kids there is something else. There is a different road that you can take -- kids that don't have a chance, that don't have a chance like me."


Coulter neither glosses over the UN's link to the drug trade, nor goes into it in detail.

"Everyone's business is their own business. It wasn't like you make money and you put it in a pot for the group or anything like that."

He had legal jobs: in a warehouse, cooking at the Keg restaurant in Abbotsford, in the kill room at Lilydale poultry.

But by the time he met Roueche, he was already in the "pot-growing scene."

"I just got caught up. I started hanging out with kids with nice cars. And you know, they would go to the gym in the day and that really conflicted with my warehouse hours. And they had a couple of jobs here or there for me and they would say, 'Hey, do you want to learn how to grow? Do a week of work and you'll get a couple of grand.' "

They all had money and spent it. Restaurants every night, fast cars and shopping sprees. Coulter was going through $10,000 a month.

He even put together the cash to open a business in 2001 that could feed off the lifestyle. Platinum Rims in Chilliwack sold all the high-end car toys that gangster boys wanted. He made a lot of money. He got married. He bought a house.

"And my business did really well. It was something I liked -- I liked souping up cars. I have always liked it since I was 16. I was good at it. I like to dress cars up and make them unique."
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The important social process here is the cultural acceptance that facilitated their sense of belonging, through shared values and group identity.

But going back on the theme of a systemic power without human oversight, where human emotions make us all vulnerable victims of such violence and abuse. It's therefore a cynical and twisted sense of justice, that we now have unmanned killing machines called war drones; technology that grants us the power to kill with a God-like oversight of invulnerability. However I can't help but to worry about our collective future inspired by arrogance and an illusion of overconfidence, while there are obvious social benefits from within our power of vulnerability.
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Ooops misread the OP.

Yes more men are beginning to come forward with concerns to abuse. There's still a lot of stigma attached to it though.
Posted 4/18/11 , edited 4/18/11

Jezebellabean wrote:

Ooops misread the OP.

Yes more men are beginning to come forward with concerns to abuse. There's still a lot of stigma attached to it though.
And I think the correct way to conceptualize abuse for what it truly is, without the delusions and stigmas being propagated by the mainstream medias, is that it begins from a lack of empathy caused by intentional ignorance. The physical manifestation of abuse in the form of violence, be it by force, verbal, or nonverbal means, is only a reaction towards such psychosocial arrangement.
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Honestly I don't find the shows themselves offensive. There's plenty for everyone to get their panties in a twist over most Anime.

But...

Threads like:

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-674210/girls-tried-to-make-boys-cry

and

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-70431/best-way-to-counter-a-pick-up-line?pg=10#35279734

in which some of the respondent seem to think that in real life spoken words that are not themselves a threat constitute justification for aggravated assault.

... bother me greatly, At least, some respondents do...


Posted 4/30/11
the sweetest heart can be a monster....

beware the kiss of the spider woman...

ancient, darkness of pit.


Stupidity runs rampant where intelligence gathers ....

which shall it be,
the fox
or
the
hound??

I wonder?


Posted 4/30/11

xWhiskeyLynnx wrote:

the sweetest heart can be a monster....

beware the kiss of the spider woman...

ancient, darkness of pit.


Stupidity runs rampant where intelligence gathers ....

which shall it be,
the fox
or
the
hound??

I wonder?




The fox is most swift.... evading fangs of hound.
In darkness of pits the fox hides...
... where no one dares enter.

The lair of a trickster is treacherous.
Posted 5/1/11
Indeed....and the blackbird sings in the dead of night....
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