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Karate or Street Fighting?
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Now, I think fighting is stupid and childish but I’ve not been above it. I’ve been in a few scuffles, most of which consisted of me smashing other guy’s fist with my face. Anyway I’ve always made fun of those kids who are like, “I know KA-RA-TAY" or "nerd-won-do.” Cuz that crap doesn’t work in real life situations unless you’ve been trained (not those little kid youth group things, like military training) in them for years.

That’s what I’ve always thought. This was supported when a kid tried to pull a move on me and I plowed through his nose with a straight forward punch. He landed a kick on my arm but it didn’t do anything.

However, recently I saw this nerdy little white guy get into with this big old black dude. Mind you African Americans have the genetic advantages on us white guys. (They were bred to be slaves, as screwed up is that is it’s the truth.) So the black guy is totally victimizing the white dude, who takes it, and takes it, and takes it. Finally he turns and says, “I know kung-fu!” Or something like that. People hoot with laughter. The black guy calls out some stupid line about how I know kick your @ss won do. Bigger dude rears back and takes a swing. White dude like takes a breath and moves to the side. Next thing I know he spins about and round house kicks the living snot out of the other guy. Kicked him in the ear, brought his knee up against the nose and an elbow down on the back of the skull, grapples with him, uses leverage to toss him to the ground, and kicks him in the throat.

I was like… O_O

So I must ask, in your personal experience are the ‘martial arts’ useful in a street fight or bar brawl. I still say, typically, no. I mean if you get really, really, really good sure. But the same can go for straight up street fighting. So practice or field experience, strength or speed, learned moves or instinct, street fighting or martial arts. These are my questions. Also, have you ever seen a street fight? Have you ever seen anybody use karate in one?

I see street fights all the time, and a three or four times I’ve seen some punk try and pull off with like a neck pinch or something… I dunno, I’ve only seen it work one time.
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The purpose of most modern day martial arts are either artistic or sporty meaning they are not intended for actual combat. Tae Kwon Do is a perfect example. There is no real life usage for a kick designed to dismounted two charging mounted samurai. I'm sorry it's just the way it is.

Street fighting on the other hand has been tailored over the years to be used in real life brawls. The techniques and lessons are learned through experience and tested in actual real life situations which means they are less likely to freeze up under pressure.

All that being said there are still martial arts that teach effective self defense. It's just a matter of weeding through the sport or art oriented dojos and styles and finding one that uses a down to earth simple teaching method. Beyond that martial arts training like any other training is there for more purposes than just what's obvious. It is supposed to train your body, reflexes, self control, presence of mind, and train of thought.

(On a side note a black belt should not be considered a high rank in any martial art. It is essentially a stamp saying, "I've put enough time and money into this that my teacher thought I deserved this.")

Edit: In regard to the military comment there are a good number of military personnel who were never meant to see combat. Beyond that most of them are a bit more worried about shooting straight from 50 yards than punching someone in the face.
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I say it depends on who you're fighting. Believe me, martial arts doesn't work on the clinically insane. But then again, some martial artists will totally demolish street fighters.
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YOu guy make alot of good point i ask my teacher that too. I ask him about other martial arts and how good it is in a street fighter. Right now i am taking Muay thai and i know i can defense myself. Muay thai is good but i also want to jujitsu and Wing chun! Wing chun is know for their close combat. Tell me what u guys thinks?
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trantrunks wrote:

YOu guy make alot of good point i ask my teacher that too. I ask him about other martial arts and how good it is in a street fighter. Right now i am taking Muay thai and i know i can defense myself. Muay thai is good but i also want to jujitsu and Wing chun! Wing chun is know for their close combat. Tell me what u guys thinks?


I say combine them to form your own style and use whichever one best fits the situation. That's what a lot of martial artists who study several styles do.

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A gun.
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n0odle wrote:

A gun.


excellent old chap, i use a gun instead as well.
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Ok lets take this example two kids start at a very young age like 3 or so. One get in the gym and starts working out and is very aggresive gets in many fights and always wins.
Another guy is in a couple diffrent martials arts classes when he is 3 and always wins the spars while growing up and eventualy makes his own style that is hard to break down.

Both have smae body types and same heights and weight. Who would win. I probaly say the martial arts person would win. Both would come out of the fight badly hurt. I just think he martials arts would have a little beter edge

Who would win? But there are alot of other factors that would contribute to the fight. What is the reason there fighing? in one reason rihgt there
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well i think muay thai is the most effective if its the serious kind.I mean for street fights,cause it trains your kicking speed and w/o.I mean they retract their legs soo fast how can a karate guy do the counters.

im not sure but i know Tae Kwon Do and Karate is more of physical fitness and the moves are fancy.
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nycthora wrote:

Ok lets take this example two kids start at a very young age like 3 or so. One get in the gym and starts working out and is very aggresive gets in many fights and always wins.
Another guy is in a couple diffrent martials arts classes when he is 3 and always wins the spars while growing up and eventualy makes his own style that is hard to break down.

Both have smae body types and same heights and weight. Who would win. I probaly say the martial arts person would win. Both would come out of the fight badly hurt. I just think he martials arts would have a little beter edge

Who would win? But there are alot of other factors that would contribute to the fight. What is the reason there fighing? in one reason rihgt there


Erm… Given that situation I’d say the martial arts specialist would win in a spar and the street fighter would win in a street fight… As far as which one I would sooner take on, I’d much quicker go up against the martial artist. Streets fighters who become strong fighters do so through fighting, not training. This being said they’re typically quicker to dish out severe beatings than martial artists. They’re also better at it because martial arts tend to be bred for self defense with kicks and the likes to keep the enemy away. Hints a lot of them have you punch with a palm instead of a bawled fist, because the bawled fist is more effective but at the same time it hurts you a little too.

Honestly I think the street fighter would be the better fighter. Like if I was planning a rumble I’d take him with me before the karate guy!
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'Streets fighters who become strong fighters do so through fighting, not training.'
are you talking about gangsters?who fights alot and is normal.I dont know what a street fighter is.But i know they like to come close.The knee is your best friend,it can break a guys ribs.

muay thai with training>street fighter
any day trust me

learning a martial art builds up a guys confidence.So the experience is not needed.

muay thai ftw fuck it!!! have u been to thailand and see those guys training for the muay thai competition,they will kick your ass.Like you charge at them wham!foot strokes face,your down.
FTO
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Overall i would just agree with Seraphalford above, but in a street fight, a street fighter would be used to attacking dirty or such and could have an advantage. Street fighting doesnt have head gear or such like in karate, so they would probably be more used to actually being hit by the opponent. Street fighting actually gives good experience of actual fighting while karate would not. No one really tries to beat the crap out of each other in Karate, while a street fighter may.
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frostmore wrote:

'Streets fighters who become strong fighters do so through fighting, not training.'
are you talking about gangsters?who fights alot and is normal.

muay thai with training>street fighter
any day trust me

learning a martial art builds up a guys confidence.So the experience is not needed.

muay thai ftw fuck it!!! have u been to thailand and see those guys training for the muay thai competition,they will kick your ass.


Have you ever been in a real fight? "High confidence" is a bad thing. Arrogance comes before a fall, after all. I don't have a clue about that style, but I bet basic military CQC can take it and probably basic street fighting. Also, gangstars don't street fight. They just cap you. You watch too many movies. I'm talking about those guys who go off and join fight clubs, and who go to rumbles with their friends.
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high confidence isnt a bad thing.YOU have been watching too many movies to think that.
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I take karate and most of the people who take karate are mostly for self defense and health purposes, so we dont really tend to hurt our opponent even when its during sparring in my dojo. Also, when it comes down to street fighting it really depends on the amount of experience you have, courage, and the reason.

Edit: You also have to overcome your fear of being hit and not turn away or close your eyes.
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