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Anime sales in North America at an all-time low.
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Posted 4/25/11
The blame goes everywhere.

-First you have U.S. with squeezing every bit of money they can from DVDs that only contain 3-5 episodes on them. $20.00 for ever three Naruto episodes? Not to mention the long stretches of time between DVD releases. A great example of this extorted system is the Twilight series. Just how long between "At the Theaters" and DVD release date are there?

-Second, Netflix now has Watch Instantly and you can rent the DVDs much easier.

-Other forms come into play are Crunchyroll and others who provide anime. I love Crunchyroll because I can watch a title before I purchase it, but it must come at a price more then what I am paying out.

In all you cannot blame the sales decline on pure piracy alone. To go down that road would cause problems like we are now seeing since the introduction of Netflix and the closing of media outlet like Blockbuster and Hollywood video. *Just wait until post office officially stops Saturday deliveries and the gas prices go up*
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Posted 4/25/11

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uhohimdeadlol ur stupid for thinking that u need to use proper lang skills to be "intelligent" or "educated"


Lol UR stupid because you don't realize that "need" and "seem like" are two different things.

Nobody is going to argue that typing properly will give off the impression that you are intelligent and educated as better than typing very badly.


i dont remember ever saying fan subs were to blame i only said the free anime host/download sites were


Agreed, like I said, if people just shut down the host sites, we should see the industry begin to make a recovery.



doesnt matter impressions over the internet are shallow at best

try and shut down one site and two take its place. simply put: its not possible

by now people refuse to watch anime unless its free or broadcast (less likely since people hate dubs)
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Posted 4/25/11
Yes the economy is to blame and pricing. $20 for one dvd with four episodes?! That's just silly in my opinion. They need to broadcast more and do sells to bring in the moola and get more customers. Sure it sucks that we have to pay so much but the companies themselves need to work on publicity(sp?)
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Posted 4/25/11

uhohimdead wrote:


Chiibihime wrote:


uhohimdeadlol ur stupid for thinking that u need to use proper lang skills to be "intelligent" or "educated"


Lol UR stupid because you don't realize that "need" and "seem like" are two different things.

Nobody is going to argue that typing properly will give off the impression that you are intelligent and educated as better than typing very badly.


i dont remember ever saying fan subs were to blame i only said the free anime host/download sites were


Agreed, like I said, if people just shut down the host sites, we should see the industry begin to make a recovery.



doesnt matter impressions over the internet are shallow at best

try and shut down one site and two take its place. simply put: its not possible

by now people refuse to watch anime unless its free or broadcast (less likely since people hate dubs)


Would you two just stop. Can't you take this argument to pms or something? Anyways I agree with Welsbacher. Anime is just too expensive to buy especially when you only get so few episodes for a high price. Combine that with streaming sites like Crunchyroll and Youtube and people have even less reason to buy their anime. Pirating may contribute a bit to the low sales but the reason people do pirate is either because they can't afford buying anime in the first place or they just don't like the series enough to warrant a purchase.
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Posted 4/25/11
I'll get raged at for this but I don't care, speaking up for fan-subbers.

Firstly do you even know why fan-subbing exist? Its because there's a market segment not catered for. I mean sure legit sites such as CR licenses a couple shows per season but a lot of stuff remain inaccessible to those living outside of Japan. And even those that are are sometime translated with shockingly poor quality. ("The Divine One"??!?! Really?! I'm looking at you CR) Besides most respectable sub groups don't even do shows licensed by sites such as CR.

Which brings me onto the next problem. DVD's. Yes you can import them for "insert large sums of money here" from Japan but we are not really prepared to pay THAT much. And don't even mention Funimation, they should realise by now dubbing is the source of all evil and makes lolis cry.

Can't believe it when I bought FF Advent Children (not anime but close enough) dvd and found out that it doesn't include Japanese audio track! Never again.
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Posted 4/25/11 , edited 4/25/11

welsbacher wrote:

The blame goes everywhere.

-First you have U.S. with squeezing every bit of money they can from DVDs that only contain 3-5 episodes on them. $20.00 for ever three Naruto episodes?


XD Girl, not to be rude but have you ever looked at Japanese prices on anime dvds? It's like $30 MORE for a DVD with TWO episodes. And licensing one episode of anime costs about as much as buying a normal-sized house.



I'm sorry but when people complain about prices on anime in the US, I just have to start laughing.

We're getting off EASY.....

............manga's another story. THAT'S when we get ripped off.
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Posted 4/25/11
The shows I see online that I like I buy.

I much prefer actually owning them, although some of the prices out there are a bit much at the moment (EX: Working/Wagnaria is over $80 at the stores around where I live, not a price I feel comfortable plunking down at the drop of a hat, maybe when things aren't as tight but not right now)

but I learned long ago never to buy something I haven't seen before, which is why I still enjoy getting things online. It lets me know what is worth owning and what isn't.

Crunchyroll and the Funimation site are fantastic for that, and with luck they prove to be a workable business model for companies to bring us more shows.

The world changes every day.
Old mediums die and new ones are born.


"....and with strange aeons even death may die"
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Posted 4/26/11 , edited 4/26/11
This comes as no surprise since we're down two or three major anime distributors and about twice as many manga publishers have bit the dust as well. It's obviously not the same industry as it was back then since we're lacking companies and the revenue they made back then being added to the pot that is "The Anime Industry". then it's obviously not going to make as much money overall.

Ironically, I'm buying way more stuff now than I ever did back then because of legal streaming and Funimation generally just licensing a whole lot of stuff I want.. For instance there's a ton of stuff due out in June I'm definitely getting.

Also, I don't know about you all, but downloading doesn't decrease any sales to me from domestic distributors, it only increases them, so I don't buy into this "piracy is killing anime" mumbo jumbo. If I already know the series is good because I watched the legal stream or downloaded it then you're far more likely to get a sale from me since I won't buy anything I haven't tested out first.
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Posted 4/26/11
Anime has been cyclical for a long time, in both popularity and marketability. Way back when, Speed Racer, Lupin the Third, and a few other shows were moderately well known, then things died down before Voltron, Robotech (the bastard spawn of several decent anime) and their contemporaries came along. After another more or less fallow period we saw Sailor Moon, Ronin Warriors, Tenchi, and more getting airtime in the States. We fell into a fairly big boom after that, which is again starting to fade somewhat. This is not the end of anime in America as we know it.
Prices for anime are really quite reasonable these days. I remember shelling out $30 for a VHS cassette with a whopping two episodes as recently as 1996, and if I was really, really, really (x 100) lucky, they'd have the subbed version in stock. $40 for a similar DVD was common early on in that format's life. The worst was seeing (and not buying, because at 14 I certainly couldn't swing it or BS my parents) Akira on LaserDisc for $120. More than a dollar per minute. Also, compare the dub-only Sayajin Saga DBZ VHS box set from Pioneer/Ocean Group that (I think) I got for $110 to the dual-language DVD set of the same episodes for ~$30 from Funimation.
And of course don't forget how much more there is available now. It used to be hard to find much other than movies, because not many companies would take on the risk of licensing series, especially long ones. Pioneer (now Geneon) would do it, but they already had interest in it, because the parent corporation often produced the source material (Tenchi Muyo and El-Hazard spring to mind here). The simple fact that CR and Funimation stream things effectively "right now" in comparison to the old days of "you'll get the end of this show when we're good and ready, and if you don't like it, learn Japanese and pay 4 times what we're charging" makes the "lowest sales ever" seem pretty trivial.

Teal Deer version: Anime is going to be fine, things are better than they used to be.
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Think of it this way: Anime's at an alltime low thanks to fansubbers and money-lusting companies, right? So what we do is switch completely to fansubbing, which will in turn either force the companies to lower prices to increase sales, attempt to expand the demographics (In other words, making anime kid-friendly again) to generate sales, or just shut down completely.
If they shut down completely, so what? We have our fansubbers, which act as our back-up. Yes, I know it's illegal but it's proven statistically that downloading illegal anime doesn't make you buy less anime DVDs so the damage to the industry is largely exaggerated.
As for the people who want dubbed anime, have fun with youtube dubs.
(For those who don't get it, the above is partially a joke.)

What we SHOULD focus on, is generating MOAR LIGHT NOVEL SALES! If we buy more Haruhi and Spice and Wolf, Yen Press might license more titles!
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Posted 4/26/11 , edited 4/26/11
Well, if you take away anime hosting sites then it'll cause too much ruckus and the really old anime and the ones that don't have DVDs yet won't get much popularity. Such good anime, what a waste if it doesn't get watched or even recognized.





Oh and I agree with the guy above.
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Posted 4/26/11
I think we're seeing a combination of two factors: 1. The introduction of new technology like the digital comic market shrinking paper manga sales. 2. The economic crash which despite two years of recovery hasn't had an effect on the average u.s. worker as in 2010 it was announced that over 18% of american income came from government assistance. In other words a huge swath of the population has slid into abject poverty.
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go to an anime convention err i mean ripoff a thon


they better not release 4 episodes per blu ray that would be "incrediblu" stupid
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Posted 4/26/11
Thats ok, I hate dubs anyway. Not many people like anime anyway because it is looked down upon as nerdy or stupid. But, I love anime and only watch raw. Subs are for wimps.
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Posted 4/27/11
Well time and cost are part of it. Who would want to wait 1-2 years for an show that is already airing in Japan? Secondly, the cost add up fast. Take a series like Bleach when if was first being sold here in the US. Each DVD, which only had 4 episodes, was released every couple of months and each of these DVDs were $20. I know this because I bought each one of them as they were available.
Season 1 for instance was 5 dvds or $100 for one season. Bleach is now up to season 14, you do the math Of course you could wait for the box sets, which are cheaper, but these take even more time to be released. It just makes more sense to watch it online then to buy the DVDs.Besides, how many times are you going to watch the same episode?
Now don't get me wrong I rather have the DVD's. They are nice to have and they some times have extras like features and premiums. But it's not always practical to buy the DVD.
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