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Ao No Excorsist
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YUP . watched it on other sites. it's pretty promising. the shows good soo far .
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I was gonna say I was surprised that an Aniplex anime was airing on Crunchyroll...most the time Hulu has them - I guess because it has some sort of tie in with Funimation. But I also noticed Hulu is showing Blue Exorcist as well, but 3 days earlier then Crunchy...
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Still comes out next monday heh... 7 days from MONDAY go figure. Yep i'm an asshole and stupid.
Oh to also show my stupidity, [gg] is not subbing AnE because its been lisenced for distribution in the US online.
Fansubs are illegal as hell, i used to fan translate SNES carts so i would know the law. Their "Hard work" is their own volition, taking caps and working on them the second its sent to them at 3am and god knows what unhuman hour of the night to be 'first'. Most members of Fansub "Teams" don't know jack all about japanese and are regular weaboo's. And translating Closed Captioning and "localizing" it is not HARD. They choose to socially exclude themselves and make their studies suffer in school to do this. I don't applaud such efforts when it goes to this extreme. Fansubbing should be a hobby done in spare recreational time, not a second job.

I've been watching anime for over 16 years, and Anime production in Japan didn't cease, but the quality and length of shows dropped severely as companies were afraid to green light longer shows out of fear of profit margin starting around 2003-2004~ and it is much harder to sell 6 dvd's than 3 now. Just to sell a damn Blu-Ray they have to give free figurines and have uncensored T&A to justify the production cost versus the return.

All you "Sharing for Free" people don't understand the infrastructure that holds society up. I agree with some of your idealogy but in practice it fails. Free equates to no jobs, and no Jobs equates to no content creation. I think all the torrenting of Fansubs should be tracked by show so the production companies know what is being stolen the most so they can consider better prices on the cost of their goods and target audience demographic on where to distribute the product. English Voice Actors are getting better these days so dubs are more considerable to try as well. I just can't stand the Drama dubs... gives me horrific Peach Girl flashbacks.

Music sucks all to hell these days too, i shouldn't have to listen to my music from the turn of the century and before for good music. Thanks to all the theft musicians have less incentive and have alot harder time getting signed.

How would you feel? I mean really? If you invented something great and wanted to sell it, even if it was at a cost some consider high, if some dude walked up, stole it from you and started passing out copies to all your potential customer base? If all of them were in line to buy it, 90% or more would leave with their free stolen copy. Meanwhile if it wasn't stolen a whole lot more would have purchased it, even if the price was "high" Being that all the pirate people try to say the price drives them to sharing it online.

If it cannot and WILL not be distributed in your area, I support fansubs/pirating, but would like that information to be known to the creators so maybe they can be like "Hey, alot of people in south america love our shit... why don't we distro there?"

I do download Fansubs, but only of shows i cannot watch legally.

And yes, i know my grammar is bad, flame away.
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another fan sub topic i see... well i will just say this, if there is a legal means for me to do it then I will not use fan-subs for a said series. Now for certain series like zero no tsukima season 2/3, higurahsi season 2 and rei ova's for closure , Other times on shows like umineko, Tokyo magnitude 8.0, ano hana, dennou coil, kurenia and some older series like unico, touch or Aishitezure baby i go with fan-subs because i want well want to watch shows that are great but sadly do not even have a chance here in the states for a domestic release. Yeah i know it's wrong but i do my best to try to buy the box-sets from japan even though sets me back a couple 100 on each one. Also this is way off topic but felt like putting my 2 cents in. On topic well... cr isn't really at fault here on why they are behind, it's the north American company here that is doing the sub and uploading here "aniplex usa" .To be blunt why is cr even streaming blue exorcist with all the "region restrictions"? I mean it's on viz and ann so why did cr need to stream it as well, I personally think we could have picked up another series instead but eh what can you do, all i wish is that damn water mark was gone but at least it's not as bad as cartoon network's
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Wow.. *laughs* ANYWAY, back to the original topic.. I did notice that. I was on the SJ (Viz) site the other day and they had an ad that was saying "Watch it here!" (or something like that). So, basically CR isn't the ONLY (legal) one featuring the anime. Which is fine with me. I don't care either way, but I have been watching it (well, so far I've only seen one episode..lol) it on CR anyway.
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Sekiryo wrote:
Oh to also show my stupidity, [gg] is not subbing AnE because its been lisenced for distribution in the US online.



http://www.ggkthx.org/2011/04/17/ao-no-exorcist-episode-1/

Pretty sure that's [gg] and that is also a fansub release of AnE... please do the research.

I'm not trying to troll here, but seriously, I have to correct both sides of the argument on basic "look it up ffs" flaws in the arguments.. really now..
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kiojonny wrote:


Sekiryo wrote:
Oh to also show my stupidity, [gg] is not subbing AnE because its been lisenced for distribution in the US online.



http://www.ggkthx.org/2011/04/17/ao-no-exorcist-episode-1/

Pretty sure that's [gg] and that is also a fansub release of AnE... please do the research.

I'm not trying to troll here, but seriously, I have to correct both sides of the argument on basic "look it up ffs" flaws in the arguments.. really now..


Not frontpaged, my apologies. Also not in active projects or dropped, i.e. they are pulling a Fight Club on that one.
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Can someone please delete this thread, the name of Ao no Exorcist has been tainted by this debate.
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I love Blue Exorcist and its only on EP 3 haha.
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To be ON TOPIC. I think this show is awesome. Mephisto is awesome.

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newyorkmetsman wrote:
The only one's effected by fansubbers are U.S. companies looking to make a buck out of someone else's work. Fansub's are made by fans for their own personal use and have the kindness to share their hard work with the general public for FREE and to not make any profit. I personally don't give a shit if Buena Vista makes a profit off of subbing an anime or not. I pay for CR because I like CR's concepts however I think it's bullshit that so many people's hard work is being pulled off the net because they're being threatened by lawsuits. It's free information if I smack some subtitles on something and want to show it to people free of charge I have that right to according to the constitution of the United States of America. What these companies are doing is also in violation of the free information act.


While I like fansubs, and am totally fine with partaking in them, they are completely illegal, and claiming otherwise is just ignorant. Let's hit on your points here, which are pretty nearly all wrong.

Japanese companies get money from foreign licensors, in the US as well as other countries, like Brazil and Italy, to name a couple that also have pretty major fansubbing communities. Fansubs may not directly detract from sales in those places, but they certainly impact them, and the loss of royalties flows back to Japan, so fansubs affect the original creators as well. Not to mention that the "hard work" you mention fansubbers doing is far surpassed by the licensing companies that produce entirely new audio tracks for the shows and movies when they dub them.

Fansubbers do this for their own reasons, most often to practice translating, encoding,or timing. Personal use is rarely a factor, since if you speak Japanese well enough to translate a TV series, you don't need subtitles anymore. Kindness may be a part of the motivation, but ego and attention seeking is more likely (read up on Dattebayo if you can't remember how insane some groups could get). Most groups are doing this for free, or even spending money to do it, but some have been shady dicks with donation schemes, ad revenue and the like. Not to mention the real scummy bastards that charge a fee for fansub and scanslation access, with Tazmo being about the best known example. Those guys are one of the biggest reasons that fansubs are targeted so heavily now.

Subtitles are not an original work, nor are translations, the copyright still belongs to the original creator or studios and the concepts of freedom of speech and freedom of press do not apply. Intellectual property is not referenced in the constitution in any way, however there is plenty of mention of if and the unauthorized use of it in the International Copyright Laws. Pretty much exclusively as a crime, which is what fansubbing is, when you break it down to the basic facts.

The Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) is a federal law that allows for the full or partial disclosure of previously unreleased information and documents controlled by the United States Government. It has nothing whatsoever to do with privately owned works, no matter what medium they are presented in. Also, Japanese anime studios are, fairly obviously, not the United States Government. What you seem to think the FOIA means is that you can wander into the bookstore, grab whatever you want to read and walk out with it, without paying. This is so obviously not the case that a sane person wouldn't even consider doing it.

Now, as I said, I watch fansubs. I LIKE fansubs, and often feel that they are superior products to licensed subs. But at least I have the self-respect to not lie to myself and act like I'm supporting some sort of modern Robin Hood society when I'm just another internet video pirate.


Very good post. I was corrected on a few points and concede to that. However I find it difficult to believe that fansubs specifically in this Country effect the profit level of the original creators on any substantial level.
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sekairii wrote:

To be ON TOPIC. I think this show is awesome. Mephisto is awesome.



totally agree.
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newyorkmetsman wrote:

Anyone else realize that someone is subbing Ao No Excorsist like 2 days earlier than CR? Whoever it is did a really good job too they have my thanks.


It's because they released a DVD (limited promo? vol1 isn't out till 6/22) before the first episode even aired! They had 6 episodes up from the DVD right off the bat!

Boy, was the first chapter of the manga better than the first 2 eps of the show or what?


Yeah, I'm on auto-like for Mephisto's type, but don't you think his role may be a little too strong for someone of this very type? Then again, it might be refreshing to see it used a tad more than just the crazy mentor or salesman...

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The first episode was very Intriguing, Gonna watch the second here In a bit
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newyorkmetsman wrote:
Very good post. I was corrected on a few points and concede to that. However I find it difficult to believe that fansubs specifically in this Country effect the profit level of the original creators on any substantial level.

Grabbing a few grapes in the grocery store and eating them doesn't affect the store's profit level on substantial level either.

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