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A world without religion?
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tobydiah wrote: The problem is that religion is so intertwined with human civilization that I have no idea whether it would be better or not. Religion has existed before recorded history. So we have nothing to base it on since we don't know what affected what. You sir, are an idiot. B.C, tell me what it stands for. Then tell me we have no recorded History in B.C. At least know half of what you're talking about. Rather than none at all. In the time of B.C as far as I can tell, Religion wasn't everywhere. It was more in larger Empires like the Romans, Large parts of EU for example, where basically Religionless until A.D came along. Besides that, going away from the past. There are well over maybe even a million Atheists out there in the world. They live fine. A million is a lot of people. And the world hasn't been fucked over by this Million, rather the Billions of Religious people. Or Greedy people. Anyway you put it, man is flawed, and shouldn't be here. |
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Well, I'm here. Most likely watching anime...I b stealin' joo Bandwiths
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Without religion, we would still be cavemen?
But I think cavemen believed in something as well, hence a religion... so.. hmm.. we would be like mindless animals then.. because religion fueled mankind's quest to enlightenment and science.. if you took that out of the equation, then we wouldn't be on the intrawebz =( |
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melikeyfire wrote: tobydiah wrote: The problem is that religion is so intertwined with human civilization that I have no idea whether it would be better or not. Religion has existed before recorded history. So we have nothing to base it on since we don't know what affected what. You sir, are an idiot. B.C, tell me what it stands for. Then tell me we have no recorded History in B.C. At least know half of what you're talking about. Rather than none at all. In the time of B.C as far as I can tell, Religion wasn't everywhere. It was more in larger Empires like the Romans, Large parts of EU for example, where basically Religionless until A.D came along. Besides that, going away from the past. There are well over maybe even a million Atheists out there in the world. They live fine. A million is a lot of people. And the world hasn't been fucked over by this Million, rather the Billions of Religious people. Or Greedy people. Anyway you put it, man is flawed, and shouldn't be here. nope...different....small civiliations have thier own religions too.. |
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小笠原祥子 daisuki...
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flippizzle wrote: Without religion, we would still be cavemen? But I think cavemen believed in something as well, hence a religion... so.. hmm.. we would be like mindless animals then.. because religion fueled mankind's quest to enlightenment and science.. if you took that out of the equation, then we wouldn't be on the intrawebz =( People think of these kinds of things without Religion, not only that Science is not accepted by Religion most of the time. Humans are NOT idiots and animals, we are smart and intelligent beings. Don't base everything around something so unproven, and in the current world so useless and self contradicting. If god, or Religion Rather fueled my life. Then I do say, I'd sure look at things brightly, but not in truth, in truth I wouldn't want to look at life that way. Religion sometimes makes a person something or someone they aren't. People are people, and most people, seem to be better off when they don't take their Religion seriously, many claim to be this and that, but don't really follow by it, just say it. When people take it seriously, they just come off as raving idiots to anyone with half a brain. Leave it to someone with a Religion to take something logical and fact based, throw it out the window, piss a letter on the ground and say it's some kind of fucking sign from above I swear... |
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Well, I'm here. Most likely watching anime...I b stealin' joo Bandwiths
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emm0548 wrote: melikeyfire wrote: tobydiah wrote: The problem is that religion is so intertwined with human civilization that I have no idea whether it would be better or not. Religion has existed before recorded history. So we have nothing to base it on since we don't know what affected what. You sir, are an idiot. B.C, tell me what it stands for. Then tell me we have no recorded History in B.C. At least know half of what you're talking about. Rather than none at all. In the time of B.C as far as I can tell, Religion wasn't everywhere. It was more in larger Empires like the Romans, Large parts of EU for example, where basically Religionless until A.D came along. Besides that, going away from the past. There are well over maybe even a million Atheists out there in the world. They live fine. A million is a lot of people. And the world hasn't been fucked over by this Million, rather the Billions of Religious people. Or Greedy people. Anyway you put it, man is flawed, and shouldn't be here. nope...different....small civiliations have thier own religions too.. :) Some don't have any at all, which was my point. |
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Well, I'm here. Most likely watching anime...I b stealin' joo Bandwiths
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melikeyfire wrote: tobydiah wrote: The problem is that religion is so intertwined with human civilization that I have no idea whether it would be better or not. Religion has existed before recorded history. So we have nothing to base it on since we don't know what affected what. You sir, are an idiot. B.C, tell me what it stands for. Then tell me we have no recorded History in B.C. At least know half of what you're talking about. Rather than none at all. In the time of B.C as far as I can tell, Religion wasn't everywhere. It was more in larger Empires like the Romans, Large parts of EU for example, where basically Religionless until A.D came along. Besides that, going away from the past. There are well over maybe even a million Atheists out there in the world. They live fine. A million is a lot of people. And the world hasn't been fucked over by this Million, rather the Billions of Religious people. Or Greedy people. Anyway you put it, man is flawed, and shouldn't be here. One of the earliest recorded history of human civilization that we know of is Sumerian civilization. Historical data that experts possess at the moment show that Sumerian civilization was probably one of the first societies to record information/history. Hence, historical experts using the references of pre-history and history. (I'm sorry. But I don't recall ever implying that history not existing before the common era. If you also are up to date on your official historical terminology; you should be referring to it as B.C.E. ) Anyway, Sumerian civilization which actually made and kept historical records; Therefore, historians have referred to this time period as the beginning of reliable historical human records. Thus, most official world history books begin with the history on Sumerian society at the earliest. Even Sumerian civilization had religious beliefs and mythology about the origins of life and death. So how did religion not exist before recorded history? Perhaps, you're thinking about religion in terms of major religions. However, forms of religion permeated societies throughout various parts of the world throughout recorded human history; whether it remains a major religion or not. Some societies did not have religion? That's nice of you to say but it's common knowledge. You can't base the world off of a few cultures that did not have religion and know how the entire world will be without it. Just the way one can't really predict how the world will be if the entire world believed in the religion of a civilization that I also wanted to point out. And even most small societies had a form of religion even if it wasn't a complex form of organized religion. I'm sorry but I have to ask again why you are asking me to tell you that we have no recorded history B.C.E. I never once mentioned when recorded history began in my earlier post nor did I even mention anything about B.C.E. Please explain why you said this... Did I say that the world could not live without religion? No. Then why are you getting all "pissy" about this and explaining that religious people have (as you said) "fucked over" people? I never said that religion was good or bad. Nor did I pick a side. I merely stated that I could not come to a conclusion of how the world would be right now without religion since it has not been tested on a global scale. It is a historical fact that religion had existed before the earliest recording of history that we've discovered had been written. So, why am I wrong or why don't I know what I'm saying? I'm clearly stating facts that humans have gathered so far. Then feel free to call the historical anthropologists "idiots" and explain to them why. I said that we don't currently have the basis for truly knowing what affected in terms of the first religion since (guess what?) we haven't discovered recorded history that far back. I didn't make any claims as to what would happen in that scenario aside from the fact that I believed that we wouldn't be able to predict it for sure. And I provided factual data that I have learned and I have double checked while making the post. So, how am I wrong? Or are you another atheist looking to insult anyone who even sounds like they are supporting religion? I'm not religious by the way nor do I support it. But I think people insulting and attacking the comments and views of others who don't share their thoughts as counterproductive. |
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Beating The Rock! The actor.
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world w/oput religion...
is such a chaos... |
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i miss all my buddies here... :((
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worse. the world wud be in chaos because theres nothing that wud guide them to a better n peaceful life. ud always be seeing dark clouds n skies would be red. im jus exaggerating. ^_^
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this is a nice place.. ^_^
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The thing I don't understand is that when it comes to religion, people who are normally relatively sane suddenly become totally feeble minded and claim belief in ludicrous deities that they have picked up from a books that are basically lies from start to finish, written by or for the ruling classes with sole intention of making sure that they stay as the ruling classes.
When people realise once we are gone, we are gone, perhaps they will work out that the best thing to do is try to make the best of it whilst we are here. |
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Och aye, the noo!
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dkscotland wrote: When people realise once we are gone, we are gone, perhaps they will work out that the best thing to do is try to make the best of it whilst we are here. Not every individual has the guts, or open mindedness, or even intention to work it out if they see that statement as valid. I think, there is plenty of people that believe they believe in God if you know what I mean. |
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ryu Avatar
Level 27 Girl
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if in this world dosnt have religion
may be all the people is bad... |
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Did You See What I See In the Sea?
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im going to say it will be no different form it is now it doest take religion to make people do the right thing helping people and it doest that it form them to start wars and kill for having other beliefs. religion is just one excuse for it but not the only
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mauz15 wrote: Not every individual has the guts, or open mindedness, or even intention to work it out if they see that statement as valid. I think, there is plenty of people that believe they believe in God if you know what I mean. I know what you mean about believing that they believe. I saw an interesting street interview with a member of the US public a while back. The Israelis had just slaughtered some innocent Palestinian women and children, as they do, and his response was that 'Israel can do what it wants. God gave them the land and you can't argue with the word of God.'. I just wish that the interviewer had had the presence of mind to then ask, 'What about God saying, "Thou shalt not kill?''' to see what the reaction was but I guess that it wouldn't have been 'Fair and Balanced' to question the devoutness of the interviewee in such a way. |
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Och aye, the noo!
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it would totally be a disaster!!!!
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anime ruleZ !!
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being in a religion does not guarantee a person anything, why people become insane? it's because they emphasize their religiosity as means of doing something to be in a certain state. being religous is not equivalent to being spiritual.
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