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A world without religion?
Posted 1/14/08 , edited 4/24/08
Well while I think religion has caused wars and strife (but to be fair brought comfort to many) they are actually no worse than a world without them- people will still fight wars and form groups and fight each other over beliefs even if those beliefs aren't about god, its human nature. And to be fair to religion it hasn't caused as many wars in the last 100 years so its getting better (this is an atheist saying this by the way)
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join the allied atheist alliance group!

there would be alot less stupidity and wars, like crusades wouldnt have happened, inquistion not happened, suicide bombings nada, ganesh bye bye, pedo preist dont exist, crazy cults whered they go,


Teehee, interesting view. However....
There are plenty of stupid atheists
No wars? Hmmm, people go to war over things like oil Capitalism vs. Communism, race etc not just religion.
yes no pedo priests, just pedo people
Cults, eh? That depends, since there is a distinction between religion and cult. Chances are, cults would exist anyway.
Personally, I doubt the world would be any better. People can be screwed up without religion and they can be scewed up with it.
Just the way we humans are...

MTC...
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Posted 1/14/08 , edited 4/24/08

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It's spelt 'research'..

Average IQ of CrunchyRoll-er..... about 70.


lol, the fact that you're using spelling as a variable in which to determine IQ shows your true intelligence now doesn't it?
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religion helps to make the world a better place.
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Posted 1/14/08 , edited 4/24/08

applexshampoo wrote:


JoSh242 wrote:


applexshampoo wrote:


Gabcom wrote:


applexshampoo wrote:


Gabcom wrote:


applexshampoo wrote:

btw, all these people claiming we'd have less war and ish are illy. i thought everybody knew that the majority of war is over land


There'd be less wars because only the majority of war is over land, while the minority is religious wars. And that is supposed to be gone. = less wars.


majority of religious wars are over land first as well. there wouldn't be the type of impact like people are claiming


True.
Wait, I mean that second bit.


do your research on some religious wars. it's land, always has been

religion, nationalism, counter-terrorism etc we all know it's just about land


cos Al'queda wanted where the world trade centre is for some new property development.

With wars their are FACTORS land is just one of thsoe factors. religon also plays a part. in the crusades people wanted jerusulem because of the religous meaning. so do your reserch mate. As we become less religous land has become a bigger factore but religon has always been used to gode peopel into fighting for their cause


lol, the seljuk's wanted to expand their empire that = the crusades. it all spanned from that one action which was motivated by the expansion of an empire.

also i wouldn't call the trade towers a war

do YOUR reserch ~mate~


but you know have the war on terror and also quite alot of europe was involved in the crusades to take the holy city of jerusulem. i feel you saying that land is the only cause is a little brash. With world war 1 their were factors. yes germany wnating land was one however teir was the assanation of ferdinand and the fact thet their was so much of a alrge military presence that people felt threatend and went to war. WW2 Germnay felt aggrived for how they were mocked for the start of ww1 and the treaty of versillie. the cold war including all pwoer sturggles the fight of democracy vs communisum. The opposing ideologies.
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religion helps to make the world a better place.


Thats debateable, it can make things better but it can also make things a lot worse.
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JoSh242 wrote:


applexshampoo wrote:


JoSh242 wrote:


applexshampoo wrote:


Gabcom wrote:


applexshampoo wrote:


Gabcom wrote:


applexshampoo wrote:

btw, all these people claiming we'd have less war and ish are illy. i thought everybody knew that the majority of war is over land


There'd be less wars because only the majority of war is over land, while the minority is religious wars. And that is supposed to be gone. = less wars.


majority of religious wars are over land first as well. there wouldn't be the type of impact like people are claiming


True.
Wait, I mean that second bit.


do your research on some religious wars. it's land, always has been

religion, nationalism, counter-terrorism etc we all know it's just about land


cos Al'queda wanted where the world trade centre is for some new property development.

With wars their are FACTORS land is just one of thsoe factors. religon also plays a part. in the crusades people wanted jerusulem because of the religous meaning. so do your reserch mate. As we become less religous land has become a bigger factore but religon has always been used to gode peopel into fighting for their cause


lol, the seljuk's wanted to expand their empire that = the crusades. it all spanned from that one action which was motivated by the expansion of an empire.

also i wouldn't call the trade towers a war

do YOUR reserch ~mate~


but you know have the war on terror and also quite alot of europe was involved in the crusades to take the holy city of jerusulem. i feel you saying that land is the only cause is a little brash. With world war 1 their were factors. yes germany wnating land was one however teir was the assanation of ferdinand and the fact thet their was so much of a alrge military presence that people felt threatend and went to war. WW2 Germnay felt aggrived for how they were mocked for the start of ww1 and the treaty of versillie. the cold war including all pwoer sturggles the fight of democracy vs communisum. The opposing ideologies.


the war on terror is too complex to go into but it all started with a country wanting to put "trusted" political leaders in so they could in-directly control certain aspects of world economics, again that amounts to the land in which said aspects came from

jerusulem was only one crusade and it was land that was lost in previous campaigns. ww2 was nationalism but what that really means is "we're better than you, die!”

cold war wasn’t really a war per-say either but I do admit you’ve got a point there
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lmfaoooo i guess you're right..

You're well clever.


more than you actually realise. have a bit of a look around at some of the great human minds that couldn't spell either and then have a look at what an IQ test represents. i think you'll have your answer then
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oh my, the best you could do?

please, at least back up your snide little posts
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Personally, I don't like IQ.
I'd go more for the "different intelligences" thing rather than IQ. And I've completely forgotten what those intelligences are.

Just my opinion.

*Completely off topic.
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applexshampoo wrote:

the war on terror is too complex to go into but it all started with a country wanting to put "trusted" political leaders in so they could in-directly control certain aspects of world economics, again that amounts to the land in which said aspects came from

jerusulem was only one crusade and it was land that was lost in previous campaigns. ww2 was nationalism but what that really means is "we're better than you, die!”

cold war wasn’t really a war per-say either but I do admit you’ve got a point there


i mean yeah i used a basic stand point for war on terror thats been bubling up for years. and the lebensraum policy for ladn for germans was a big policy, one of the mian factors but germnay wanted ethnic clensing and the abliteration of communisum. Another reason was the weakness of the league of nations ineffectivness to disarm gemrnay and allow them to continue to arm them selves to prevent war.

Onme key point is even without religon their will still be war and religon was a key part in the growth of the world with its control. some of the worlds greatest empires used religon as control eg the romans who were very spiritual. I dont care about religon relaly who am i to say to someone you can not follow religon. though i think its wrong saying that someone should as you then follow it for the wrong reasons. science would of or may have progressed faster as it is well documented that religon often held up, stoped or ridiculed scientisst that contradicte gods law and how the bible was created. In Darwins last copy of natural selection he wroste how his theory of evolution happend within 4000 years to coincide with the common belif of the age of the earth going by what the bible siad but they took it to litralley.

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Lomy wrote:

withe out religion its makes life meaningless


Meaningless, like your post.


huh? what makes you said that? am believe in my religion coz am muslim and i cant live with out it rather my holelife depends on it ,so every one had own opinion about what they believed in ...hope you respect that.....GOD!!
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Posted 1/14/08 , edited 4/24/08

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Gabcom wrote:


Hitoli wrote:

No, homosexuals are mainly being discriminated because it says in the bible that it's a sin. There are homosexual animals as well, it's completely natural! But because the bible says so, those animals probably are sinner too.

And people actually killed each other because they didn't agree about religion. Muslims flying into towers, christians going on crusade, in Ireland protestants and catholics had major problems.. It's all because of they're religion. You should believe in the god that I think is the right one, or else you're a bad person.



Homosexual animals WHAT THE SHIT??????
I demand source.


... World shocking.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sexuality

Have fun with it.

Damn it, it really astonishes me that all these things that are inconvenient for christians are unknown to most Americans. In my country, I think most people know that even animals are gay.


What an interesting fact to learn at 4am.
L O L

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JoSh242 wrote:


applexshampoo wrote:

the war on terror is too complex to go into but it all started with a country wanting to put "trusted" political leaders in so they could in-directly control certain aspects of world economics, again that amounts to the land in which said aspects came from

jerusulem was only one crusade and it was land that was lost in previous campaigns. ww2 was nationalism but what that really means is "we're better than you, die!”

cold war wasn’t really a war per-say either but I do admit you’ve got a point there


i mean yeah i used a basic stand point for war on terror thats been bubling up for years. and the lebensraum policy for ladn for germans was a big policy, one of the mian factors but germnay wanted ethnic clensing and the abliteration of communisum. Another reason was the weakness of the league of nations ineffectivness to disarm gemrnay and allow them to continue to arm them selves to prevent war.

Onme key point is even without religon their will still be war and religon was a key part in the growth of the world with its control. some of the worlds greatest empires used religon as control eg the romans who were very spiritual. I dont care about religon relaly who am i to say to someone you can not follow religon. though i think its wrong saying that someone should as you then follow it for the wrong reasons. science would of or may have progressed faster as it is well documented that religon often held up, stoped or ridiculed scientisst that contradicte gods law and how the bible was created. In Darwins last copy of natural selection he wroste how his theory of evolution happend within 4000 years to coincide with the common belif of the age of the earth going by what the bible siad but they took it to litralley.



we agree on the main point though. war would still exist with out religion

and gabcom, let him think he's being clever
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Lomy wrote:


Gabcom wrote:


Lomy wrote:

withe out religion its makes life meaningless


Meaningless, like your post.


huh? what makes you said that? am believe in my religion coz am muslim and i cant live with out it rather my holelife depends on it ,so every one had own opinion about what they believed in ...hope you respect that.....GOD!!


I said it because you stated something, and didn't explain it nor back it up.
A majority of this community does it though, so I'm not really dissing on you personally. You just happened to appear during a religious debate =3
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applexshampoo wrote:

oh my, the best you could do?

please, at least back up your snide little posts


You just won back some exen-points.
Never heard 'snide' being used outside of England before.

IQ tests are crap... i agree with what the guy above with the dog av said. ^_^ nice one, buuuuddy.

Also... just to clarify... i really didn't wanna clarify... but OHH FFS.... ermm.... yeah.. the spelling thing was more of a joke than anything... the 'CrunchyRollers being tards' thing is just something i've picked up. I didn't mean you specifically.
The fact you continued trying to argue pointlessly just gave me a laugh edging you on.
So yeah.. no hard feelings, chuuuuum ^_^

Alright?


cos that's how i roooooll


well, my country does speak english. i would hope snide was used in all english speaking nations.

but whatever i hate arrogance and attack it, it's one of my many character flaws
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