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Would romance in Gintama really spoil the show?
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Well, if he decided to kill off gin, he probably would take in another dragonball reference and let him be wished back by the rest of the cast. I also kinda doubt that the people at shusheia would be happy about that, because without gin the whole things falls apart and the series would stop. Sorachi isn't at the Toriyama level where he can basically say "fuck that noise, i don't wanna" and stop.

Well, like i said multiple times, there are themes of romance here and there, and they get mocked like everything else in the series. I imagine if an actual couple happens, the story might end with a "couple-divorce" and gin would lose half of his stuff to his would-be girlfriend, not to mention paternity rights to shinpachi and kagura.

And yeah, you're right about the clishé, but it clearly isn't protrayed like that. Neither Tsukuyo nor gin seem to want a relationship.
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Well, if he decided to kill off gin, he probably would take in another dragonball reference and let him be wished back by the rest of the cast. I also kinda doubt that the people at shusheia would be happy about that, because without gin the whole things falls apart and the series would stop. Sorachi isn't at the Toriyama level where he can basically say "fuck that noise, i don't wanna" and stop.

Well, like i said multiple times, there are themes of romance here and there, and they get mocked like everything else in the series. I imagine if an actual couple happens, the story might end with a "couple-divorce" and gin would lose half of his stuff to his would-be girlfriend, not to mention paternity rights to shinpachi and kagura.

And yeah, you're right about the clishé, but it clearly isn't protrayed like that. Neither Tsukuyo nor gin seem to want a relationship.



So that makes him also slave of the editors/producers, but that's the name of the game if you wanna sell your story.
I'd like to see an anime where the creator is really given all the freedom he/she wants and tell us a story the way it was originally meant to be, without changes from the editor of the manga or the producer of the anime, thing that of course happened also with Gintama (Okita was meant to be a girl, but it was changed into a boy due to the editors request, thus Kagura was created)

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So that makes him also slave of the editors/producers, but that's the name of the game if you wanna sell your story.
I'd like to see an anime where the creator is really given all the freedom he/she wants and tell us a story the way it was originally meant to be, without changes from the editor of the manga or the producer of the anime, thing that of course happened also with Gintama (Okita was meant to be a girl, but it was changed into a boy due to the editors request, thus Kagura was created)



Not to mention he's a slave to the law now too, with the You Healthy Development bill passed in government. With all the butt jokes and mature subtexts, Sorachi is one of the most under risk of the bill. Not that he'd give a crap, anyway. And yeah, most mangaka are slaves to their editors (or partially, anyway). I recall once there being a mangaka who wanted to kill off a character, but was stopped by his editor who told him that the mangaka would lose his readers if he did so, since the character was really popular.

Y'know, I'm so glad Sorachi created Kagura...And a male Okita...Great advice by the editors, I must say! XD

And, I didn't mean that cool, calm female characters should be alone. What I meant was that in this context (as in, the kind of manga Gintama is) serious romance with any female character and Gin-san wouldn't be the same anymore. Gin-san has an established mature character, and his lack of real attraction to any woman (exclude Ketsuno Ana since its more used for comedy) adds to his already awesome character. Besides, like Insane said, even Tsukuyo doesn't seem to want a relationship.

And lets not forget Gin-san's whole, "my white perm turns women off" gag too, which would be dead if he seriously gets involved with anyone.

Anyway, I'm not stopping you from your ship of GinTsukki since its part of what makes you enjoy Gintama, am I right? You're free to hope, imagine and what-not. I was merely stating my two-cents about romance in Gintama overall.

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I'd like to see an anime where the creator is really given all the freedom he/she wants and tell us a story the way it was originally meant to be, without changes from the editor of the manga or the producer of the anime


Well uhm...Ghibli? Who could seriously stand up to Miyazaki?
And my personal favorite anime director Tatsuo Sato doesn't seem to be under any constrictions, can't really proove that but i read that somewhere...hmm


And i'm sure once the 13-year old fangirl crowd arrives, the general opinion in this thread will change drastically
(not that there is anything wrong with that! phew, near miss!)
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If any romance turns up, I can't see it being taken seriously for very long. It will either end up being mocked (Otae and Kondou, always) or end in tears (recently, poor Catherine...) and everything will roughly go back to whatever counts as normal in that universe. I'm not against it as such, just don't see it happening for any length of time save for a running gag (re Sa-chan's delusions). If it's done in the manner Gintama does most things, it won't ruin it by any means.
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huckdiane wrote:

So that makes him also slave of the editors/producers, but that's the name of the game if you wanna sell your story.
I'd like to see an anime where the creator is really given all the freedom he/she wants and tell us a story the way it was originally meant to be, without changes from the editor of the manga or the producer of the anime, thing that of course happened also with Gintama (Okita was meant to be a girl, but it was changed into a boy due to the editors request, thus Kagura was created)



Not to mention he's a slave to the law now too, with the You Healthy Development bill passed in government. With all the butt jokes and mature subtexts, Sorachi is one of the most under risk of the bill. Not that he'd give a crap, anyway. And yeah, most mangaka are slaves to their editors (or partially, anyway). I recall once there being a mangaka who wanted to kill off a character, but was stopped by his editor who told him that the mangaka would lose his readers if he did so, since the character was really popular.

Y'know, I'm so glad Sorachi created Kagura...And a male Okita...Great advice by the editors, I must say! XD

And, I didn't mean that cool, calm female characters should be alone. What I meant was that in this context (as in, the kind of manga Gintama is) serious romance with any female character and Gin-san wouldn't be the same anymore. Gin-san has an established mature character, and his lack of real attraction to any woman (exclude Ketsuno Ana since its more used for comedy) adds to his already awesome character. Besides, like Insane said, even Tsukuyo doesn't seem to want a relationship.

And lets not forget Gin-san's whole, "my white perm turns women off" gag too, which would be dead if he seriously gets involved with anyone.

Anyway, I'm not stopping you from your ship of GinTsukki since its part of what makes you enjoy Gintama, am I right? You're free to hope, imagine and what-not. I was merely stating my two-cents about romance in Gintama overall.




I agree, male Okita and Kagura turned out to be great, but who knows how the original idea would have been...

I remember that Gin said during an early episode that when he's gonna die it'll be when he's really old and surrounded by grandchildren.
Those grandchildren are not gonna give birth to themselves... and let's not forget that he was actually going along with the marriage to Sachan I don't really think he wants to stay alone for the rest of his life, although it's unlikely that his maturation will be ever seen in the anime. But the statement, right after the end of the last season, that said "Gintama hasn't even started yet" makes me think of a possible character development and a different direction in storyline. We're already seeing this with Kagura and maybe even Otae (she actually accepted to go on a date with Kondo ) so who knows... Let's just hope it's gonna be well done.
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I agree, male Okita and Kagura turned out to be great, but who knows how the original idea would have been...

I remember that Gin said during an early episode that when he's gonna die it'll be when he's really old and surrounded by grandchildren.
Those grandchildren are not gonna give birth to themselves... and let's not forget that he was actually going along with the marriage to Sachan I don't really think he wants to stay alone for the rest of his life, although it's unlikely that his maturation will be ever seen in the anime. But the statement, right after the end of the last season, that said "Gintama hasn't even started yet" makes me think of a possible character development and a different direction in storyline. We're already seeing this with Kagura and maybe even Otae (she actually accepted to go on a date with Kondo ) so who knows... Let's just hope it's gonna be well done.


Wouldn't surprise me if Gin-san wanted grandchildren and what-not. Just not right now: 1) because he's not romantically interested in anyone right now; 2) he doesn't have the time since he has some badass villains after his life (Kamui and Takasugi <3); 3) even when he DOES get time, he reads Jump or just fools around with his epic laziness (lol). Gin-san acts childish, but when things get serious, he does display the maturity particular to an adult because he is one, and has gone through surprisingly A LOT. So underlying all of the childishness is maturation and experience. ;D

The reason why Otae-san agreed to go on a date with Gori-san is because he promised her (rather, she made him promise her) that he won't pursue her again after the date. It was a her cunning attempt to get rid of him.

Also, Gin went along with the marriage thing with Sacchan out of obligation as a man, since he, at that time, genuinely thought he had slept with her. Hm. Actually, there's another mini-arc in the manga with Gin-san


I'm not saying there won't be any character development since there obviously IS development - I'm particularly interested in what will happen between Kagura's inner "demon" and her strained/dysfunctional relationship with Kamui. Just romantic development...is far less important to the series than everything else. This is why Gin-san's not interested in having a relationship with anyone specifically at this stage - he has other important things preoccupying him. And, none of the women (aside from Ketsuno Ana) are his type - they're all violent one way or the other.
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Well i wouldn't call it a mini-arc, it is what i call the harem arc and it went on for about 4 chapters.

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Lol I totally saw the "Harem" part coming when I bought the Japanese volume..XD

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Lol I totally saw the "Harem" part coming when I bought the Japanese volume..XD




That sounds funny, I wonder when they'll show it on the anime. Which manga chapters are they? I think I'll read it!

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chapters 336 - 339.

337 also talks about the youth ordenance bill, in typical gintama fashion of course.


Shinpachi: Hmm, well considering how ambiguous this law is, I think we have plenty to be afraid of.

How can we be certain of what's a bad influence on children? Moreover, what exactly IS a healthy child? I think it's a stretch to say that a youth who thinks of erotic things every so often during a normal day is unhealthy...

Kagura: Then you think of erotic things every so often, yes?

Shinpachi: ….......

Kagura: You are disgusting! I will report you to the police!


and yeah, let's hope they put it in this season.
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Could be funny if it happened to other characters and not Gin-san. I just didn't vote for this option because I don't ship OkiKagu and I don't think it is the best example either.
Kondou and Otae together would be fun to watch.
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chapters 336 - 339.

337 also talks about the youth ordenance bill, in typical gintama fashion of course.


Shinpachi: Hmm, well considering how ambiguous this law is, I think we have plenty to be afraid of.

How can we be certain of what's a bad influence on children? Moreover, what exactly IS a healthy child? I think it's a stretch to say that a youth who thinks of erotic things every so often during a normal day is unhealthy...

Kagura: Then you think of erotic things every so often, yes?

Shinpachi: ….......

Kagura: You are disgusting! I will report you to the police!


and yeah, let's hope they put it in this season.



I only found the written translation but not the images not even in Japanese!

Do you know any site where I can get both?

By the way it's unlikely they'll be able to insert this arc in the current anime as the season already started after NY and the arc is set during a NY party. Maybe the next...

On a side note: just how drunk can Gin manage to get
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Could be funny if it happened to other characters and not Gin-san. I just didn't vote for this option because I don't ship OkiKagu and I don't think it is the best example either.
Kondou and Otae together would be fun to watch.


As you said OkiKagu was just an EXAMPLE. I picked that just to give an idea and because it's so popular.
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TehElric wrote:

Could be funny if it happened to other characters and not Gin-san. I just didn't vote for this option because I don't ship OkiKagu and I don't think it is the best example either.
Kondou and Otae together would be fun to watch.


As you said OkiKagu was just an EXAMPLE. I picked that just to give an idea and because it's so popular.


Yes, and as I said I didn't vote for it because it was the example, since I don't even find OkiKagu that funny. I don't really see the reason why you answered my post, so before this turns into a discussion, I'm just saying I'm not answering you any further than this.
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