The Internet and Perspective of Reality
Posted 5/30/11
Some users of the internet might be found deeply immersed in the web. It is with the bombardment of information that we lose our sense of self and place in the world. We chose to live a vicarious existence, much as we have done through television, without even knowing it.

A potential low with internet addiction is that people might chose it over sexual activity. It seems with such an occurrence that a person has crossed the barrier between reality and illusion.
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Posted 5/31/11
I'm not sure of the direction you want this thread to take but isn't a person's sense of self and place in the world informed by the people in his or her life? Put another way, isn't it by information from any source(s) that a person creates the sense of self and place?

What do you see as the difference between a virtual self on the Internet and the one in society aside from the lack of certain sensual perceptions in the former?
Posted 5/31/11

Kid_Gloves wrote:

I'm not sure of the direction you want this thread to take but isn't a person's sense of self and place in the world informed by the people in his or her life? Put another way, isn't it by information from any source(s) that a person creates the sense of self and place?

What do you see as the difference between a virtual self on the Internet and the one in society aside from the lack of certain sensual perceptions in the former?


Human contact can be intoxicating. You don't derive the same feeling from mere traded words without audible speech, and sensuality is impossible to convey fully with mere data. You also do not have the same mentality on the internet as you would in real life.

As for information, it is easy to misrepresent something to mislead anyone who takes that information in. Such as anyone telling you about themselves and how incredible they are, when the person on the other end of the line is possibly nothing like what they just said.
Posted 5/31/11
Actually, according to National Geography in 2008, people in China stated that internet had increased their chances for sexual encounters.

Even on the number of cellphones, from 87 million in year 2000 to 200+ million in year 2008.
Posted 6/1/11

onibrotonel wrote:

Actually, according to National Geography in 2008, people in China stated that internet had increased their chances for sexual encounters.

Even on the number of cellphones, from 87 million in year 2000 to 200+ million in year 2008.


And how many of them followed through with it? From what we can visibly tell; inconclusive. It's not to say that China's population growth is due to the internet, but I did neglect to state that it is people who are already in relationships who often refuse sex to use the internet.
Posted 6/2/11

Sonovabitch wrote:


onibrotonel wrote:

Actually, according to National Geography in 2008, people in China stated that internet had increased their chances for sexual encounters.

Even on the number of cellphones, from 87 million in year 2000 to 200+ million in year 2008.


And how many of them followed through with it? From what we can visibly tell; inconclusive. It's not to say that China's population growth is due to the internet, but I did neglect to state that it is people who are already in relationships who often refuse sex to use the internet.


And how many of them who are already in relationships who often refuse sex to use the internet. How many of them followed through with it?

From what we can visibly tell based on your writings; inconclusive.
Posted 6/2/11

onibrotonel wrote:


Sonovabitch wrote:


onibrotonel wrote:

Actually, according to National Geography in 2008, people in China stated that internet had increased their chances for sexual encounters.

Even on the number of cellphones, from 87 million in year 2000 to 200+ million in year 2008.


And how many of them followed through with it? From what we can visibly tell; inconclusive. It's not to say that China's population growth is due to the internet, but I did neglect to state that it is people who are already in relationships who often refuse sex to use the internet.


And how many of them who are already in relationships who often refuse sex to use the internet. How many of them followed through with it?

From what we can visibly tell based on your writings; inconclusive.


This entire discussion ended up as inconclusive, other than the conclusion that it is inconclusive. Wait...

Nope, neither of us can prove anything. It is a stalemate, since we can't fully monitor what people are doing at all times, especially what they claimed to do via the internet.

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Posted 6/3/11
I don't think there's much of a link to population growth in China and the internet but it's a fun concept. As far as increasing chances of sexual encounters goes i think people just get braver behind a screen. Online you can be anyone so it's easy to make yourself seem more appealing and i imagine half the time when people meet up they figure "i'm here might as well do it" even if they don't find the person that interesting.

On the subject of reality i think the internet has kind of taken a life of it's own and become it's own reality. The people online are this various cast of characters very different from who they are in real life so it's almost like a new world created for these other selves to run wild online. And with the rise in popularity of MMORPG's we have even more new worlds rising up on the internet where people can create yet another self. Some people get so involved in this process that in the end they can't tell where the fantasy self starts and the real self ends. It makes me wonder as technology grows will it be possible to literally live on the internet and have a whole life there instead of a real life. I'm sure many would happily dump what they deem as a mundane real life for a fantasy life on the web. Nowadays you can work,shop,socialise,order food,Get any manner of entertainment you want and be educated on the web just about anything you can do in real life so i think it's entirely possible to live a life on the web.
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Posted 6/5/11
Sounds like the OP is equating reality with sensory stimuli and sexual activity. If that's all reality is to you, then you're missing out on a lot.
Posted 6/5/11

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Sounds like the OP is equating reality with sensory stimuli and sexual activity. If that's all reality is to you, then you're missing out on a lot.


Such as?

When it comes down to it, sensory stimuli is all there is to life if you favor a positive feeling. Even when you help others, you are doing it for your own gratification. Maybe you are suggesting the spiritual that I am missing out on? I'd like to hear all about it if so.
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Posted 6/7/11
Ummm... this isn't true at all. If you're talking about Web 1.0 when internet was basically one big giant reference book, then yes I would argue that the social stigma of the 'basement nerd' would exist. However, with Web 2.0, the internet has become one giant community (facebook, youtube, etc). In other words, participation on the internet is pretty much all social and interactive. Sure, you may not develop proper 'verbal' skills since you're mostly limited to typing (with exception of video based communication), but overall losing oneself into the internet is not likely.

Not to mention that more internet-real life meetings are taking place, the rate of sexual activity would be based on exactly WHAT you do on the internet than the internet in general. If you're using the internet as a socializing tool to meet new people, then you chances of sexual activity is just as high as if you're in the streets trolling for an easy target/relationship.
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Posted 6/8/11
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Posted 6/8/11

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Ummm... this isn't true at all. If you're talking about Web 1.0 when internet was basically one big giant reference book, then yes I would argue that the social stigma of the 'basement nerd' would exist. However, with Web 2.0, the internet has become one giant community (facebook, youtube, etc). In other words, participation on the internet is pretty much all social and interactive. Sure, you may not develop proper 'verbal' skills since you're mostly limited to typing (with exception of video based communication), but overall losing oneself into the internet is not likely.

Not to mention that more internet-real life meetings are taking place, the rate of sexual activity would be based on exactly WHAT you do on the internet than the internet in general. If you're using the internet as a socializing tool to meet new people, then you chances of sexual activity is just as high as if you're in the streets trolling for an easy target/relationship.
The online interactions are all intentionally staged, meaning that Internet users are only displaying a superficial representation of their selves. When the fact is real human emotional rapports require nonverbal communication as stimuli, while in can only take place in our subconscious selves through our mirror neurons. And Web 2.0 doesn't get us towards that situation at all:

The neuroscience behind limbic synchrony has everything to do with the discovery of mirror neurons and how empathy develops in the brain. In the late 1980s, researchers at the University of Parma in Italy found that the brain cells of macaque monkey fired in the same way whether they were making a particular motion (like reaching for a peanut) or watching another monkey or human make that movement. In terms of motor cell activity, the monkey’s brain could not tell the difference between actually doing something and seeing it done. The scientists named those brain cells “mirror neurons.”

In human beings, it was found that mirror neurons not only simulate actions, they also reflect intentions and feelings. As such, they play a key role in our ability to socialize and empathize with others.

Before the discovery of mirror neurons scientists generally believed that we used analytical thought processes to interpret and predict other people’s motives and actions. Now, however, many have come to believe that we understand each other not by analysis, but through emotion. By reading body language signals (especially facial expressions) and automatically interpreting the emotion behind them, we get an intuitive sense of the world around us – without having to think about it.

Here’s how it works for you as a leader: Mirror neurons fire when you see an emotion expressed on a team member’s face – or read it in his or her gestures or posture. You then subconsciously place yourself in the other person’s “mental shoes” and begin to recall and experience that same emotion. It’s your mirror neurons that give you the capacity to experience the joys and sorrows of others and to connect with them on an emotional level. Mirroring team members’ facial expressions and body positions instantly communicates empathy and signals that you understand the feelings of the people around you and will take those feelings into account as you decide how to respond. This also explains why mirroring and the resultant feeling of being “connected” is such a powerful part of building a collaborative team.(citation)
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