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solving of breaking the mask of tobi 100% spoiler
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breaking tobi's mask... (based on anime and manga)

But before I start, this will be long but I will sure I will get your attention just ignore my bad English. sowi

WARNING: this is not a prediction and not reposting a old forum. i came up on my own conclusion because of all the evidence i had gather. all i will explain will be base in naruto manga chapter... this is 100% spoiler read at your on risk...


posting evidence were from manga... bec posting from video clip from the anime it will took me looong time... so instead of clip of video ill post clip of page of manga .

First of all i can tell that tobi is not madara.


i have come to believe that uchiha madara is not really uchiha madara. the reasons i believe this are as follows,

#1 in flash backs, kishi has no problem showing us the face of uchiha madara.



only now, he makes it a point to continue to hide his face, even when his mask is off.



either madara is not who he says he is, he is severly deformed or he is madara and just using another body. yes, kisame knows him as madara by his face, but he also knows him as mizukage, there is no telling how long this man has been perading around as madara. At first place does kisame know the really face of madara?


#2 ever since his introduction, he has refereed to himself in the 3rd person as if he is not really madara but wants to be.



#3 i believe this is when kabuto and madara met up, kabuto, as we all know summoned a body to which madara became very surprised. i dont think it was the 1st, nor do i think that it was the SO6P. kabuto tells madara that he will not tell anyone,



now what else could kabuto have on madara that he didnt want anyone to know? besides that he is not really uchiha madara.

kabuto, then called the man, uchiha madara, to which madara, responds, cheeky brat, in binktopias translations, he calls him a wise guy.





kabuto obviously WAS being a wise guy, calling the man madara, when he knew he wasn't.
And kabuto say DON’T WORRY I WONT TELL ANYONE ABOUT THIS


#4 even he survive on Hiroshima battle he already dead by age remember what kusina usumaki said. There clan are the only one has long life that the others.


#5 is it mistranslation when zetsu calling him tobi? (Maybe once yes, but twice or many… nah)







im 100% sure zetsu merge other half of tobi. Because he can able cast izigani, a power require both utchiha and serunju. And when tobi is damage a white clay flowing on his arm. And only zetsu has a access seeing him unmask and still calling him tobi.


#6 tobi is a good lier look how he convince sasuke, when he said on the kyuubi incident that it was natural disaster but in fact he was the one controlling na the 9 tail.

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And before I will reveal who is tobi. Let’s recap point of view of tobi and characteristics.


First He has sharinggan and he know there secret as well. So I can tell he is from uchiha and konoha.


Second there are only plenty candidate to chose who might be tobi. Because in manga and anime they only introduce small number of sharinggan user
1. obito – he already die on boulder and it is impossible to live on that young age. Just incase he is still live he was too young too be tobi in kyuubi incident. and he was damn weak to begin with..
2. madara – I already state above why he is not tobi.
3. shisui – at the laboratory of madara there one eye has no pair that has to be believe that shusui eye. And it was state he was killed by itachi before the uchiha clan massacre.



4. and lastly this is tobi identity it is one of the elders.



uchiha kagami

If you think about it ,Kagami Uchiha makes more sense being Tobi than Madara does. Kagami Uchiha was taught by the second (the same guy the 4th based his space time techs on)so that would explain tobis abilities, he was also on the same team as the 4 elders(the third, danzo and the other two current elders), they were the only ones who knew about the massacre so it's possible that their team mate(Kagami) had a hand in it as well. and it would explain why he still hides his face even to he himself(tobi) says that he's madara and everyone else seems to think so as well so what does he gain by hiding himself if he really is Madara? and what could possibly make "MADARA" of all people stop in his tracks and SUBMIT to kabuto by letting him on the team??? nothing... if he really is madara he shouldn't give a damn whose in that last coffin. but since he was obviously worried about the contents and let kabuto on the team because he doesn't want anyone else to see those content, it would only make sense that it's madara in there(the coffin). thats why we weren't shown who it was. that is the only explanation to the scenario... tobi not being madara and kabuto exposing that is the ONLY THING that could **** his plan up. it is sooo obvious that he's just using madaras name and prowess. Him being kagami would also explain why Kishi decided to put that flashback for danzo in there. The flashback is the only place you see kagami and it showed that he survived with the rest of his team mates thanks to his sensei, the 2nd hokage. It also shows his connection to those who were responsible for the uchiha massacre. and if he already knew about the MS and EMS he would be all about having a hand in the massacre of his own clan. im not saying that this is fact but how can anyone say that it doesn't make sense? with all those dumb theories out there like tobi being Obito or him being madara in another body or even being madara in a old ass 100 year(just a rough estimate) old body. if yall can believe all that nonsense then why the hell is it so hard too believe that it could be Kagami???

Now let’s go on exhibit evidence…

-Why does he introduce himself as Uchiha madara? Because he wanted his power. Or fear him as Uchiha Madara.



Remember most of the villain introduce themselves as 3rd person as a God. Because they want the power of god or there power is super human. Great example is pain.


-And im for sure he live on konoha around 2nd and 3rd era of shinobi great world war.



This is one of the greatest clue… why the hell he know the father of turune (shikuro aburame)… in some how they have connections. Tobi might age mate as his father or danzo. And he might live also on konoha those day. Maybe just on 2nd era only… because on 3rd era he was on the mist country controlling 4th mizukage.

-On kyuubi incident looked who missing on the elders member?



The 4 old school elders were there (sarotobi hiruzen, mitokado homura, utatane koharu, akimichi torifu) as well on that cloak guy he may be in aburame clan. He might be turune’s father(shikuro aburame) but danzo and kagami are missing. Danzo might know who tobi is. But like he said his ready for sacrifice. He is willing keep a secret till his death. Or perhaps he introduce himself as madara and danzo keep believing it till the end.

-And lastly all of the elders had the same vision about the shinobi world but they have different way, on achieving it…


the key word is there… same as danzo ...



This is the most hard evidence I have , so don’t dare to open this because you will spoiled reading naruto. You Might lose interest reading naruto. there is witness but she was killed by tobi.



hahaha

all of i had said was base on the manga or anime. none of the chapter were edited except the last part to make it comedy... but if you were doubt about those pix try to check them. i wanted to put more pix here but only 15 image can only post here.

all of the evident i had gather as for now. are it is only pointing in one person in behind madaras mask its UCHIHA KAGAMI

tobi = [S]madara[/S]
tobi = [S]obito[/S]
tobi = uchiha kagami

did i solve the case of tobi's behind the mask?

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Great Job. Actually very interesting. But dont you think Itachi would have seen through all of that. I remember in a filler in the Anime, Itachi talking to Tobi (which looked exactly like Madara, well the hair anyway). Now im not saying your wrong, or right . But im pretty sure that Itachi would have seen thru that. Even Danzo.

But what you are saying does seem valid, and im not discrediting any of it, well just have to sit and wait till than.
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pretty solid.... but Until it happens I will be passive to any and all ideas, even the Rinnagan theory I made.
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Posted 6/6/11
@pungay what poll????
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Dame good job, Pungay

I was thinking the same thing to a friend of mine. We both couldnt find an really good aswer. We took Obito out real fast n We came to conclude that Madara really died yet when that manga with the 2nd n Danzou history hit us.

Which is why I was assumng that Madara is not who he state he is. Cause your prove it. If that was Madara. He wouldnt be scared if the world knew the truth. But there been ' proof' by Kisame n so n the time line has ALOT OF IMPORTANT ROLES.

I was bout to add something like this in, but like you say, people dont take the time to understand n jump to conclusion.

I do believe that he is Kagami
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Posted 6/12/11
Its Possible...
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Posted 6/12/11 , edited 6/12/11
I can see you did a lot of homework on this, but I'm just not sure. I can see a hole in your case that has to be filled: why would Kagami be so motivated to do all this? Just because he is in the same generation as Danzo doesn't mean he wants to control the world like him. It's like Naruto and Sasuke; on the same generation, but have different views of the world. Why would Kagami help Itachi massacre his clan? Madara has a very good reason to do so, but I see no reason why Kagami would.

Your case is very thorough and it has a good chance of being true, but sadly I'm just not convinced. However, the possibility is definitely there and I will not rule it out. You could say I'm going against the grain (like you are going against the grain so I'm going against the grain against the grain. :P) but I think your theory misses that component mentioned above. Good work for coming up with a pretty well structured theory anyway Pungay, the hole may well be filled in later chapters.
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Well I very much respect your theory and it looks like you really worked on that, plus I kinda like it makes sense too but we never know what the writers have in mind

just a suggestion...
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Kishi pwned a lot of Naruto fans today by revealing who is in the 6th coffin. But came as no surprise to me since Syferz already figured it out over a year ago.



Every Naruto fan is trying to figure out who is behind Tobi's mask now that we know...



I found my way here because I had the same suspicions about Tobi. But Pungay's theory is 100% correct, it is the only move Kishi can make. When he reveals Tobi's true identity is in the next few chapters the surprise will be spoiled.






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Posted 10/12/11
the theory is correct based on what is shown currently in Naruto, And I'm going to agree, I'm no longer passive about it
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This is why I thought Tobi was an imposter and if I had posted this before today... I probably would have been flamed:

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I also agree that it can only be Kagami now. He seems to be the only logical choice now. If it really is him, then hopefully the hole I found (Kagami's motive) will be filled as well.
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his motive can be as simple as wanting to fulfill the true Madara's original goal, afterall he was alive back when Madara was
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Posted 10/16/11
I bet it might be Kagami
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jshawn2 wrote:

This is why I thought Tobi was an imposter and if I had posted this before today... I probably would have been flamed:



I don't think you would have been flamed on this forum, but in my ignorance of the truth, I would have mostly disregarded that theory, but never ruling it out. I learned that even the most unlikely of theories (or at least how unlikely they seem) can be true. Other forums may have flamed you because they are unperceptive jerks, but I'm merely an idiot and some of the others might have added your theory to their own about Tobi being an impostor.
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