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Posted 1/15/08 , edited 1/15/08
hmmmm.... do you believe that if you had define something like man, love, faith, hope, or whatever it is like limiting its existence??


hmmm... how can I elaborate this one???


its like when you define such a word like love like love is a feeling that can be recognize by the hypothalamus, and a feeling that is ideal... or defining man as a thinking being and a machine... is it like limiting it or enclosing an idea or setting the idea that it is just like that???


hmmm.... i think its confusing... but do you get what I want to say?? ahahaha..


(sorry for the wrong grammar) ahahaha


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Posted 1/15/08
defining!!
like changing a meaning of a WORD right?
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Posted 1/15/08

smil3es wrote:

defining!!
like changing a meaning of a WORD right?


hmmm... i think not changing but just limiting the word.. just like you had just see it in a small part of it...
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ricajoy2 wrote:


smil3es wrote:

defining!!
like changing a meaning of a WORD right?


hmmm... i think not changing but just limiting the word.. just like you had just see it in a small part of it...


....T_T *confused*

love: you want to spend your life with them.
fate: meeting someone that has a bond with you at first sight?

like that? limiting it?? >_O
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Posted 1/15/08
no, defining something doesn't make the definition true, and there are multiple definitions for everything, what matters is how you percieve something, not how others do.
Posted 3/20/08
I don`t think a definition limits anything . I think it gives words meanings .
The English language has so many words . Defining those words would be helpful
so that people use the words for the right sentences or to describe something .

People have different meanings for everything . The dictionary exists to tell
people , " No , it doesn`t mean that . Stop using it wrong . " or " Yes ,
that`s right . Continue to use it . " With definitions , people are able to understand each other .
If I said , " I want to eat . " Everyone knows ' to eat ' means ' to consume ' anything edible .
If someone thought ' to eat ' means ' to drive ' , chaos will ensue .

English is different from French . French words have to be approved to become words .
It doesn`t matter is everyone is using that word . If it`s not approved , it`s not a word .
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Posted 3/20/08
Simply put as the concept, or meaning of a term for universal understand. It will only limit the meaning of something if the mind who understands it that way wants it. For example, there is not a true definition of 'love,' yet we can defining it as an emotion, nothing more.

Now, as you know, emotions are so complex that there is no way we could easily state their meaning with few words, or general terms. However, the universal defining isn't necessarily absolute, but simple, and relative to every individual understanding.

Let me elaborate; a person could understand infinity as the absolute never ending representation of a perpetual list of things, for example. However, other person could understand infinity simply as the unreachable eternal, or nonexistent. People agree, or disagree whether infinity does exist, or not. Yet the universal definition of infinity helps us understand the basic idea behind the term.

From wikipedia:

A definition may either give the meaning that a term bears in general use (a descriptive definition), or that which the speaker intends to impose upon it for the purpose of his or her discourse (a stipulative definition).


From thefreedictionary.com:

a. A statement conveying fundamental character.
b. A statement of the meaning of a word, phrase, or term, as in a dictionary entry.
2. The act or process of stating a precise meaning or significance; formulation of a meaning.


As you can see, the definitions, or explanations of the word 'definition,' vary from person to person, yet the main idea is the same. And none of them limits the term into a single interpretation.
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Posted 3/20/08
i can define woman

Woman:tool
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Posted 3/21/08
I've thought about this and I think that though language is obviously essential to human society and all, it can limit our experience of the world around us. Some examples are just those feelings that you can't really describe, but then you won't be able to convey the idea of what you are feeling, so language is the best we can do.
That, and maybe I have to work on my vocab.
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Posted 3/21/08
I totally agree with snow-chibi and HayatellAyasaki points.
In this world, nothing has a definition. Everyone in their right mind has their own interpretation of words and phrases, no matter how simple the message is.

One person could be saying the phrase as in,
"Let's go out tonight.

Now, this could be interpreted by the receiver or a person passing by in two ways:
Let's go hang out.
OR
Let's go on a date.

Of course, it also depends on who's saying the phrase, tone, and situation. Sometimes, what can be seen defines the meaning, at times it can be interpreted otherwise.
For words, like HayatellAyasaki, mentioned is more complex. There are some things that just cannot be defined so easily, as they mentioned, love and emotions.

Sure, we can label them as easily as we label people good or bad, but once a person really thinks about it clearly they can tell that it's not really what it seems. I mean, some people take love as an easy thing, hook up and date until you get bored or find someone else while another may be looking for certain qualities and such. It all depends on a person. However, not everything has to be defined. Some people just follow things blindly or let fate take over while others just make their own definition. Hard as it may, it's possible; defining things, however simple the words may seem, can be near impossible.
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Posted 3/21/08
Language exists in order to facilitate the transfer of ideas between two or more parties; words create language and definitions link the words to the ideas they represent and the person that receives the idea.

nothing said or written is free of ambiguity. and in the end, current language is an insufficient method of idea transference. words themselves carry no meaning, but it is the ideas that the words represent that have power (even though insufficiently represented). At best the words lay down a rough sketch of the idea in question. This is where context and definition come in to try to fill in the blanks left in the rough outline of the idea. Context greatly helps to fill in the emotional blanks, but without definition context is usually just tone, emotion and insinuation (which, when taken alone, are quite confusing and lack expression). Definition creates a pathway for the idea to travel to another person. Unfortunately, even when context and definition are understood there is still a lack of completeness in the idea being transfered (or in other words, a differing conceptualization of the idea occurs. this is ambiguity).

Ironically the most commonly used words tend to be the most ambiguous and most poorly defined. sometimes before a fruitless argument begins it's best to ask "What does that even mean?"
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Posted 3/22/08
Yes, that is precisely what language does, just like any other system. If you're interested in critiquing definitions in general, look into deconstruction; if you're interested in critiquing language in particular, look into Sassure and Derrida, the latter of whom is often considered to be the founder of deconstructionism.

Criticism and analysis of these subtleties of society (and even, to some extent, our own basic perceptions independent of society) are very useful, but we should be careful to not take them too far, to not let deconstruction become wholesale destruction. When this occurs, we end up with no system to facilitate anything, at which point humans will naturally begin to construct something for precisely that purpose. It is best, I think, to be aware of the limitations of our systems but to not regard them as useless, or we might just end up running in circles.
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Many of us don't know what we are saying .... definition wise.
Are we conscious of exact meaning, feeling, whatever we connect to each word used?
Can we cleary explain the definition of each word for the particular occasion?
Most probably not.

This is one of the reason most discussions are nearly useless ... as we are not conscious enough about what we are thinking, saying, and trying to do.
It takes whole a lot of effort and practices to think and say about something with clear definitions.

But I guess what rcajoy2 wanted to convey was a sort of frustration that goes with languages and words, when we would like to express seemingly huge or limitless matters with simple "everyday terms".

You want to say it, which is a natural human urge. But the words are not correct, fresh, vast, or exact enough for what you want others to grasp ....
And a new poet is born.
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Posted 8/1/08 , edited 8/1/08
Some things are easily defined.

Book - something you read that carries information. That doesnt limit it in the least. Everything in a book is information, be it a mystery novel or a text book.

However their are some other words that are impossible to define. Love is one of them. If you could define love then it would mean that everything came down to those specific parameters. To some, love might be just someone who you find attractive. To others it might be someone you emotionally connect with and so on.
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