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Do you have any?
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Almost all of mine are the go to church every week, sometimes twice a week, kind of people. One of my friends even believes I'll die and go to hell. Well not "me" persay, but non-believers.
But oh well, it happens, we never talk about the subject really. There are other things to blabber about. ^^'

I have one friend who is agnostic as well, no one really cares though.
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well i have "believing" friends, i guess, if you can call them friends :/
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Posted 1/15/08 , edited 4/18/08
…Why? Isn’t it much more fun to laugh at diluted people?
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All of my friends are christians, except for one or two.

Well, a friend once told me that I'd go to Hell and stuff. That kind of... hits you when a friend tells you that. But most of my friends just believe that all good people will go to Heaven and that God would forgive me for denying his existance during my life. My friends are ok. They also think homosexuality is ok, so they're pretty cool christians.
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Posted 1/16/08 , edited 4/18/08
i had a religious guy whos sat next to me in science, he was a little goody goody and i used to call him flanders
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^I used to make fun of my neighbors for that, because they were just like the Flanders family. They never got it though because they didn’t watch anything pg-13 or up. Well, maybe we shouldn’t make fun of people for trying to do what they think is right, but sometimes they’re such easy targets!
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Lulz at that Flanders thing. The meanest thing I did was make this girl cry by attacking her beliefs when she tried to practice evangelizing on me. She was already an emo kid and man it was kinda jerkish.


Why make somebody cry when they think they’re doing something nice? I know it’s annoying, trust me, I know, but they’re doing it out of love and affection for you as their fellow human being. Anyway, what did you accomplish by that? You simply hurt somebody’s feelings where it could have been avoided. Secular or not, that’s not right. She didn’t do anything to deserve being attacked.

Nobody in this world deserves to be put through pain, emotional, mental, or physical. You despise religion because it hurts people, yet you intentionally go out and do the exact same thing? Open you mind and think, my friend! What are you accomplishing except encouraging Christians to be prejudice against people like you? Against atheists who haven’t done anything wrong, homosexuals who can’t help but being born as what they are?

Magnus, you’re behaving no different than these Christians who force Gays to hide who they are. You can’t help believing what you believe, you simply believe it. Those who say, “I choose to believe” don’t truly believe. You’re discriminating against religious people for being who they are by believing that what they believe. A homosexual man believes other men are attractive. For that religious zealots attack him and force him to hide who he is.

You’re doing the exact same thing! I just wish that some of these intelligent atheists would stand up and say so. You’re making them all look bad, you’re breeding hatred and controversy between them and religious peoples, and you’re being hypocritical. You’ve achieve nothing positive by all this, and you never will, unless you stop acting like a temper-tantrum throwing child.

You’re free to behave how you will. You can do whatever you want, but remember that not all things that can be done are beneficial, to you, or to anyone else. You’re being selfish. You get some sick joy in making people feel bad, Christian people, religious people, but people none the less. In doing this you’re hurting the cause you claim to serve. By doing this your hurting not only Christians, but circuitously atheists, agnostics, homosexuals, sinners, everyone.

I’ve read some of your arguments. I think you have great potential as an intellectual. I think you’re a smart person. Don’t waste this ability of yours because you’re blinded by emotion. There are more effective ways to achieve what you want to achieve, and ones that don’t involve making some poor girl cry.
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Posted 1/16/08 , edited 4/18/08
Well, because I again cannot sleep (Yay for drama) I haven't read many of the other posts. So..Nothing about that.

Basically, none of my friends believe. Basically, just my girlfriend. However, shes very easy to deal with about that, and never forces it on me. I never do on her. And seeing as she was my best friend for almost a year before we started dating. Yeah, I do, one.

Edit: Kinda read some posts, I've converted one of my friends. But he was a dozy..Seriously, this kid was more brainwashed than..Well..o_o;; I can't think of something that was more Brainwashed than he was...
Posted 1/17/08 , edited 4/18/08

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magnus102 wrote:

Lulz at that Flanders thing. The meanest thing I did was make this girl cry by attacking her beliefs when she tried to practice evangelizing on me. She was already an emo kid and man it was kinda jerkish.


Why make somebody cry when they think they’re doing something nice? I know it’s annoying, trust me, I know, but they’re doing it out of love and affection for you as their fellow human being. Anyway, what did you accomplish by that? You simply hurt somebody’s feelings where it could have been avoided. Secular or not, that’s not right. She didn’t do anything to deserve being attacked.

Nobody in this world deserves to be put through pain, emotional, mental, or physical. You despise religion because it hurts people, yet you intentionally go out and do the exact same thing? Open you mind and think, my friend! What are you accomplishing except encouraging Christians to be prejudice against people like you? Against atheists who haven’t done anything wrong, homosexuals who can’t help but being born as what they are?

Magnus, you’re behaving no different than these Christians who force Gays to hide who they are. You can’t help believing what you believe, you simply believe it. Those who say, “I choose to believe” don’t truly believe. You’re discriminating against religious people for being who they are by believing that what they believe. A homosexual man believes other men are attractive. For that religious zealots attack him and force him to hide who he is.

You’re doing the exact same thing! I just wish that some of these intelligent atheists would stand up and say so. You’re making them all look bad, you’re breeding hatred and controversy between them and religious peoples, and you’re being hypocritical. You’ve achieve nothing positive by all this, and you never will, unless you stop acting like a temper-tantrum throwing child.

You’re free to behave how you will. You can do whatever you want, but remember that not all things that can be done are beneficial, to you, or to anyone else. You’re being selfish. You get some sick joy in making people feel bad, Christian people, religious people, but people none the less. In doing this you’re hurting the cause you claim to serve. By doing this your hurting not only Christians, but circuitously atheists, agnostics, homosexuals, sinners, everyone.

I’ve read some of your arguments. I think you have great potential as an intellectual. I think you’re a smart person. Don’t waste this ability of yours because you’re blinded by emotion. There are more effective ways to achieve what you want to achieve, and ones that don’t involve making some poor girl cry.



And this is coming from someone who is anti-emo. cougcoughcoughcoughHYPOCRITEcoughcoughcoughBAKAcoughcoughcough

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What I did then was wrong and I admit it. I would not do the same thing now. At the time I was 15 and while that might not seem alike a huge difference to some people it was one for me. Its not something I am particularly proud to remember. I did refer to it as mean after all. I agree with you that such things can only hurt the cause that someone wishes to fight for which is one reason that I no longer respond that way to evangelism. The other is that while these people might be easy to defeat in a debate they are very young and any victory I did win would be tainted heavily by guilt. I do not wish to hurt them as well. So yes that incident was pretty bad but it has never been repeated and never will be.




So you claim, and yet looking around your group I find it immensely difficult to believe you. Three years does not seem like a lot, but when it comes to teenagers/preteens there is a mass of maturing between twelve and fifteen, and fifteen and eighteen. At least, there should be. Judging by your internet behavior and how you discuss your real life, I don’t readily accept that there has been much any change in you except possibly for the worst.

Do you think this group is any different than that incident with that girl? The only way in which this contrasts that is: A) This is a larger scale thing, that rather than attacking one person attacks many. It inspire rage instead of melancholy. Rage, mind you, is a far more dangerous and hurtful thing.

I can respect that you admit you were wrong, I even admire you for it. Few people are willing to do that. Go the extra mile though, and realize that the way this group is set up is just as negative as attacking a young girl for trying to do something nice. The Christian religion preaches to its followers to go out and serve the world. To good unto others, and benefit the world. Although most Christians don’t do this, a minority of us do, and almost all of us -think- we do. So they perceive things like this as an attack on them in payment for a kindness to you.

An atheist group is just fine, but I’ve spoken with a few of the other members and they all agreed that this group would be more worth-while if it were simply a place for people to come and converse secularly, free of religious evangelism and extremists. I actually think that’s a very sagacious idea, but as it is now this group is counter-productive to your cause, society, anti-religious image, atheist image, agnostic image, and the Human image itself.

All of this makes you and everyone else participating in this group look childish, vulgar, idiotic, and crude. Why give religious bigots more ammunition? As a member of this group I’ve come to realize that nobody here is particularly stupid, and you yourself are actually intelligent once you get past the over-adamancy and prejudice. This being said, most religious people aren’t going to take that time. Few individuals, secular or religious, are mature enough to do that.

Honestly I can’t say I’m any further offended by this group. I understand your sentiments, and have shared them in the past. As a result I’m more understanding about this stuff, but I’m also more experience in it. Learn from my mistake and comprehend that by attacking people you’re not going to make anything better but do quite the opposite.

We should strive to, rather than shove our beliefs down everyone’s throat, get people to accept and understand our beliefs. In doing this we can soothe the sores that linger on both sides of the battlefield. This is an eternal fight. Even if you destroy a few religious suicide bombers there are going to be those that replace them with an extra supply of weaponry. They’ll use the fact that you destroyed somebody as an excuse to bring more fools to their side.

When you enter a dark room you don’t blind fold yourself to see. You get a lamp, light, lantern, some kind of luminary device and cut through the shadows. Ignorance is nothing more than that, a bleak darkness. Education, however, cuts through it just as a beam of light through the blackness. Present yourself as an educated person. Show these ignorant bigots that call themselves Christians, Muslims, whatever-ians/lims, that you’re not lower than them. By acting like a child you present the opposite image.
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I didn’t mean to tell you to change. Simply to advise you. What you’re doing is selfish and takes all the bad parts of religion with none of the good parts. Justify yourself all you want, but you’re doing the exact same thing. You’re no different than a bible pushing, gay beating, black murdering, Christian in anything except in name. You’re religious, my friend, and with that I can let your own comments and group express what you’ve lowered yourself too.

You see, you claim you’re not going to be following the will of those rage filled people, of who you are clearly one and you know it. Oddly enough, you’re dancing around like a puppet on their strings. Those people are bellicose lovers of strife. This will only engender more of that. You’re doing exactly what they want you to, however circuitously.

I wont tell you what to do with your own group. I’d simply advise you, as someone who’s seen the matter from both ends. As someone who can see straight where your ignorance and unjustified, unreasonable, idiotic, and childish hatred blinds you. Take it, or don’t, it makes no difference.

You’re the bane of atheists. You’re the bane of homosexuals. You’re the bane of everyone who has been victimized by religion and anti-religion alike. Congrats. Those Christians who you despise so much, those rage filled ones, their goal was to mitigate the world for everyone except perhaps themselves. You’ve joined their ranks.

I had wanted to see you as smarter, more mature, than this, Magnus. Why are you so determined to make yourself look like an ignorant jackass? You’re not accomplishing anything productive. Again, you’re free to do whatever you want, but I don’t see why you’d really want to make yourself, other atheists, and people with beliefs that contradict that which you hate so much look like idiots.

Are you stupid? Please tell me there’s some sense in your head, Magnus? I’ve already made a fool out of myself defending you from those who dislike you, rather you’ve seen it or not. I justify your actions by saying that you mean well, that you’re apposed to religion because you feel that’s what’s right. Am I diluting myself? Are you really just some arrogant, ignorant, idiotic, prick?

Those rage filled people want to be right. They think of you in that light, and they want you to be that way so that they -are- right. You’re dutifully following their demands, dutifully encouraging them, dutifully rewarding them.

What are you goals in life? Do you really want to die having made the world a worse place to live for the people already subjected to so much dismal treatment? Well, if so keep at what you’re doing. Else, I advise you to grow up.

I can’t say anymore. There’s no point, the rest is up to you. Will you be an open mind, or will you choose ignorance?


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I have religious friends. I don't talk to them about religion or anything like that though. I mean, yeah, sure, they can bring it up.. but I don't think they like it when i bash on their religion or burst their bubbles.. most of them don't even know what they're talking about. lol

maybe i could de-convert them.. but what's the point? i found agnosticism on my own. why can't they, besides, sooner or later more people and more people will keep asking questions until one day... the AAA conquers the world!! >=)
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most of my friends are religious, but not the extreme, they dont even know im an atheist, maybe they are too and i dont know
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I have a few friends that are hardcore christians. But they have common sense enough not to convey me and i don't convey them. We talk about it, but as soon as it starts getting into an agrument we usually just stop and play video games.
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