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Who's stronger Anime Characters, DC Characters or Marvel Characters?
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I like where this thread is going. I just wish there were more people who were into both western comics and manga/anime to make more in depth analysis/arguments. I definitely don't have enough western comic knowledge to hold a decent debate. What a shame.


Total agreement here.
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EVERYONE WHO SAYS ANYONE FROM HARUHI IS RENDERED INVALID AND SHOULD PROMPTLY STOP WANKING. No she is not even close to omnipotent stop wanking. Omnipotent implies she can do whatever the fuck she wants and nothing can stop her. No she can't so she's not even close.

This is how it's going to go down. TTGL, TMOHS, Death Note, DBZ are all utterly and complete trash. Stop talking about them. Now what you need to look at is Kami Tenchi for Anime, The One Above All for Marvel and The Presence/Great Evil for DC. These are your true omnipotents, the ones you don't fuck with and can do anything they want because you can't do shit to stop them.

Marvel probably wins because only The One Above All was shown to be truly omnipotent and the top of the chan. Nothing is above him and he can do anything he wants to anything. Kami Tenchi is also an omnipotent though it is never truly shown off, while The Presence is tied with The Great Evil and even then there are stated to be things above him.

Even then DC and Marvel have far more multi and universal threats and would literally curbstomp the living daylights out of Anime characters.

For DC you have Mister Mxyzptlk like mentioned above who destroyed the DC multiverse and then brought it back for the god damned lulz. Then you have Lucifer Morningstar who's above him in OPness. Along with Micheal.

For Marvel you have The Beyonder, The Living Tribunal, Galactus, Mad Jim Jaspers (Nigh-Omnipotent here) and others.

Yeah Anime is totally and utterly fucked. Except for maybe Tenchi Muyo seeing as that's where Kami Tenchi comes from and has a shit load of OPed characters as well.
Posted 6/18/11
If we disregard all omnipotent characters and just focus on say, Superman and Goku, then the debate wouldn't be so one-sided. I've never paid attention to DC/Marvel comics and probably never will but judging from the posts, the overpowered characters will utterly rape and destroy anime.

Why not just focus on the "normal" superheroes and the "normal" anime characters? Batman Vs. ... Idk, Shizuo (Durarara)?
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Batman wins. All the way. Firstly he'd beat the ever living shit out of Shizuo, and he's also got a billion dollar company behind him and he's also far better at planning. He also fights alongside the likes of Superman and the Martian Manhunter. And he has a counter for them.

Superman also trashes Goku's ass back and forth seeing as Goku can't breathe in space.
Posted 6/18/11 , edited 6/18/11
Well, those were just random ass examples, I'm not thinking too much consider it's nearly 2 A.M. where I'm at and I have a lack of sleep. Hopefully some people can put up better examples than I can because I surely don't pay too much attention to DC/Marvel heroes besides the basic ones. Even then, I don't know too much about them.

Who knows, this conversation might get more interesting if we can think of better match ups between characters in anime and western comics.

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Thought a little more, and considering all of the shounen anime I've seen, I'm going to side with the DC/Marvel side. The strength between Anime and DC/Marvel characters are incomparable because... Well, the DC/Marvel characters just have a higher "power level" than Anime characters.

As mentioned before, Light has limitations to how he can kill the DC/Marvel characters. I don't even want to mention the Big 3 because Naruto would be raped instantly. All in all, I don't think the strength of Anime characters match up to DC/Marvel characters. This makes me realize just how overpowered the regular superheroes may be. Of course, there are some that aren't ridiculously overpowered.
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@ TheAncientOne:

I had to look him up but yeah he's another one that can completely change reality and operates at levels beyond our universe so he certainly fits the bill.



“Who is Kebert Xela? AAAAHHHH!” (Family Guy joke)

I think that was retconned at some point and now he leaves at his own will but still funny imo. If we're ignoring the reality shapers and near omnipotent characters like AsuraCryin suggested, I'll put up Watchmen's Ozymandias as a contender for strongest. He's similar to Batman with the huge money reserves, billion dollar company, and being at peak physical condition and is also a master strategist. I'm not sure how well he could think on his feet and fight against something unexpected but he seemed to account for everything beforehand.

Lastly, a question about the Madoka ending (I haven't watched any of it) in the spoiler

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anime. they have moes
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Lastly, a question about the Madoka ending (I haven't watched any of it) in the spoiler



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I like both Anime/Manga and western comics as well. One thing I can say for sure... I've never seen Superman or Green Lantern slapped down by a girl and called a pervert because her skirt flew up while the hero was saving her. Even the strongest of Anime characters get beat up constantly by the female supporting characters which has often cause me to wonder why the girls don't become the heroes themselves.
Also, Marvel and DC characters tend to be a lot smarter than their Japanese counterparts. Most shonen Manga and Anime male characters are so dumb that it's hard to watch or read the series. Personally, I just like a good story weather it's Anime, Manga, or American Comics. As far as American comics go, there are better titles than what marvel and DC has to offer. Like Shonen Manga, DC and Marvel suffers from the same problem, too much of the same thing, the wash, rinse, and repeat thing. If you've never read any western comics, then I would have to suggest to try The Walking Dead, Witchblade, Freak Angels, DMZ, and girls.
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AsuraCryin wrote:

If we disregard all omnipotent characters and just focus on say, Superman and Goku, then the debate wouldn't be so one-sided. I've never paid attention to DC/Marvel comics and probably never will but judging from the posts, the overpowered characters will utterly rape and destroy anime.


Goku vs (modern mainstream) Superman could be one hell of an interesting fight, but Superman has some major terrain advantages over Goku, seeing as Supes has invulnerability to almost any physical damage, toxin, diseases and even radiation to an certain extent. For example, if our boy scout can bear hug Goku and fly into water/space to suffocate Goku, or simply fling Goku inside magma, the victory will go to Supes...

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I don't know, these days Superman's invulnerability has been shown to just be Really resistant to Damage. They have pulled Sups away from his Golden Age boringman self a long time ago. Stories about a guy who is perfect and can never be hurt outside of the Kryptonite loophole apparently doesn't make for a top selling comic. Hit him hard enough and he bleeds like anyone else. It's just that the definition of "Hard Enough" is way waaaay high up on the scale.

That said Goku tends to hit hard enough, plus he teleports so that is kind of a "get out of bad environment free" card.



I always thought Batman vs. Kira would be an interesting Fanfic story. At it's heart Death Note is a detective story and Batman is a Detective. Batman's tactics in pursuing Kira would have been very different from L's since Batman doesn't work with the police, he works solo. While that would make it harder for him to track Kira, it also gives him a greater level of protection. and if I remember the explanation of the Shinigami eyes it's also possible that the mask is enough to keep his name hidden.
Posted 6/19/11
I actually just recalled a few things about Superman, which may have changed, but I think we should post basic information about characters if we're pitting them up against each other in a match.

Not sure how true this is about Superman, but I believe he is able to fly on Earth because the gravity doesn't limit him as much as his home planet. That said, the environment does affect Superman. Wouldn't there be advantages other anime characters, Goku for this case since we pit them up against each other, have over Superman? Goku's ability to fly is base on his ki, I believe, so gravity doesn't affect his ability to fly but his movements.

I'd like to see what occurs if we match some of the Fantastic 4 members against some anime characters with similar powers.

Batman
Vs. Light is another interesting idea. Sure, Light may lose in the physical sense but intellectually, the psychological battle may prove to be a good cat and mouse game.
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Death note > all
Or use geass eye

Tons of powerful things in anime
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Posted 6/19/11 , edited 6/19/11

AsuraCryin wrote:
Not sure how true this is about Superman, but I believe he is able to fly on Earth because the gravity doesn't limit him as much as his home planet. That said, the environment does affect Superman. Wouldn't there be advantages other anime characters, Goku for this case since we pit them up against each other, have over Superman? Goku's ability to fly is base on his ki, I believe, so gravity doesn't affect his ability to fly but his movements.

Superman's ability to fly has had little to nothing to do with Earth's weaker gravity (vs. Krypton) for as long as I can remember (and keep in mind I was reading comics in the 1960's). It definitely doesn't in the modern incarnation. When Superman was originally introduced, he didn't fly; he jumped (which is where the "leap tall buildings in a single bound" came from). The flying came later, after Fawcett Comics introduced Captain Marvel, who could fly.



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Death note > all
Or use geass eye

Tons of powerful things in anime

As pointed out earlier, the Death Note is totally useless if the target isn't human. To give an anime example, Yuki Nagato would be completely unaffected by the Death Note

Light's worst nightmare would have been if L had been an alien.

His nightmare from the bowels of hell would be having to go up against Prince Baka (Level E).


Daredevil from the Marvel universe would be immune to Lelouch's geass for the same reason Nunnally was until she opened her eyes. There are other examples, but basically, if Lelouch can't make eye contact, his geass can't function.

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Anime with out a doubt. Mainly because DC and Marvel avoid god like characters for the most part unless used as villains. The only protagonist thats a god I can think of is Thor and he's sort of weak for a god. Also, the nature of comics in the DC and Marvel universes require that they continue for forever, so making a character with god like ablilties kills the comic sometimes. Anime and manga end when the end of the story is reached.
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