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Who's stronger Anime Characters, DC Characters or Marvel Characters?
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Posted 6/19/11 , edited 6/19/11

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I guess it doesn't explain how but I thought Superman's powers were related to the yellow light from the Sun as opposed to have some other colored star for sun. I can distinctly remember one cartoon episode in which Lex Luthor had some sort of being from a fire dimension or planet paint the Sun red so Superman lost his powers; I think that cartoon was made before I was born though....

So if that's true and it was Goku vs. Superman they'd have to be somewhere near a yellow star for Superman to even be able to fight.


I could give an explanation to this, but the time invested is way more than I can handle and yes I'm just that lazy. So here's a link to a discussion about Superman vs. the red sun that should give you some insight why certain suns affects Supes in a certain way.
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(sigh) those DC and Marvel characters might be so called "stronger" but thats only because i mean come on the creators just make them up out of thin air. In anime they always had circumstances that led to them gaining their powers. The DC and Marvel characters are just poofed out out their own asses. These so called universe bending god characters are stupid to use in these types of conversations.I never really got into anything but anime but from what ive seen anime has better everything that makes them characters as a whole instead of power. In the Goku vs. Superman debate isnt Goku's power more say .........well i dont want to use realistic but it makes more sense.
Superman is this perfect "you cant damage me" character thats invincible and does that really make it that entertaining? In this topic of whose stronger im rooting for anime.
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Posted 6/19/11 , edited 6/20/11

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My fucking god. Did everyone just ignore my post where I gave out the reasons anime is totally and utterly curbstomped by DC and Marvel?

Superman curbstomps Goku's ass to hell and then to heaven and then to either side of the universe. Superman would simply use his heat vision, which mind you is as hot as the fucking center of the sun against whichever planet Goku is on and completely and utterly destroy him. And this isn't even Superman's strongest form. With Cosmic Armour on he can supposidly punch reality....


There's no meaning in a powerful attack if it doesn't hit. It might just be my lack of reading, but I haven't seen Superman dodge punches by disappearing. I've only seen him block and then bash back.

Also,
1. Find 7 Dragonballs
2. Summon Shenron.
3. ????????
4. Profit


Funny that you mentioned this. Dragon Balls can't grant wish that is impossible while Marvel Items such as Infinity Gems can. Gather all those Infinity Gems together and it'll grant you unlimited power.

Imagine Mr. Fantastic holding the Power Gem? He can pwned Goku without breaking a sweat.

EDIT: Superman did have a speed contest with the Flash(dunno version of Flash though). So in a sense, Superman does have an experience fighting an opponent that is almost faster than light in contrast with Goku with a speed less than 100x the speed of sound. If Superman can out wit and defeat Mister Mxyzptlk then surely it's an easy task for Superman to beat Goku.

EDIT 2: Fix some errors
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Posted 6/19/11

Kid_Gloves wrote:
I guess it doesn't explain how but I thought Superman's powers were related to the yellow light from the Sun as opposed to have some other colored star for sun. I can distinctly remember one cartoon episode in which Lex Luthor had some sort of being from a fire dimension or planet paint the Sun red so Superman lost his powers; I think that cartoon was made before I was born though....

So if that's true and it was Goku vs. Superman they'd have to be somewhere near a yellow star for Superman to even be able to fight.

You've got it right. Except for the very early days, Superman's powers have always been derived from the Sun. That was well established by the time I was a kid, remained true until the last time I saw a Superman comic in the 90's, and apparently is still true today.

Throughout most of that time, it has also been true that exposure to the rays of a red star would immediately neutralize his powers, I seem to recall one brief period where this only resulted in his powers rapidly fading (the explanation being that energy would still be stored in the cells of his body). They soon thereafter returned to it neutralizing his powers, with the explanation that the radiation from a red sun not only doesn't provide the source of his powers, but neutralizes the effect of radiation from a yellow sun within his cells.

That said, there have been numerous times Supes has gotten around this. In one of the last battles with Lex Luthor before the reboot of the franchise into the Superman we know today, he protected himself with what was essentially super sunscreen. In the animated movie All Star Superman, it was with what looked like a radiation suit.

The one point that has remained constant is that Superman doesn't lose his powers due to the lack of a yellow sun (otherwise he would be powerless at night, or anywhere devoid of natural sunlight). In older days, there didn't seem to be much taken into account being away from yellow star radiation for some time, but in modern times, it has been made clear that without sunlight, Superman is like a charged up device that has been unplugged. He still can fully utilize his powers, but the more he uses them, the faster he reaches the point where that energy is nearly depleted.

Although I never saw it in any of the stories I read myself, supposedly going toe to toe with someone that pushed his powers to the limit, his powers could begin to wane overnight. Normally, however, he would be good for at least several days without sunlight.


In summary:

1. Goku teleports himself and Superman to a planet with a red sun: Unless prepared for this, Superman loses his powers. Game over.

2. Goku teleports himself and Superman to someone with no sunlight: Depending of course on how much damage he takes, Goku's odds of winning get better as the fight drags on.

3. Goku teleports himself and Superman to a planet with a blue or blue-white star: ???
As it turns out, this was covered in the comics at one time. The Superman Wiki led me to these panels that show one of the abilities he gains. In addition, he was apparently much stronger under the rays of a blue star, as I suspected.


Frankly, the biggest problem with an Goku vs. Superman fight is that for it to happen, it would take one of those contrived misunderstandings where each one thinks the other is the enemy, or where one is under some type of mind control, or where they are being forced by some ultra-powerful being to fight.
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andydono wrote:

From what I can remember from DC's Crisis on Infinite Earth, the being called Anti-Monitor was/and probably still among one of DC's strongest villains. He's similar to Galactus (Marvel) who eats planets for his diet. Except Anti-Monitor diet is on a grander scale; eating the positive matter of the universe, but of course the universe dies from this.


And then above the Anti-Monitor we have the Mandrakk/Dark Monitor who's a threat to the Primal Monitor himself. Who shoots laser beams that hold the power of trillion of stars. Take that as you will.

But no see if Goku and Superman ever got into a fight, Superman would speed blitz Goku before Goku could even think. Let alone grab hold of Superman and teleport them to another galaxy.
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Again I like to state I'd love the typical ignorance of anime/manga fans, I don't want to sound like a douchebag, but I can't help it here.


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(sigh) those DC and Marvel characters might be so called "stronger" but thats only because i mean come on the creators just make them up out of thin air. In anime they always had circumstances that led to them gaining their powers. The DC and Marvel characters are just poofed out out their own asses.


I guess the cliche stories of emotional teenagers defeating grown-ups with years of experience from the special training not too long ago is TOTALLY more believable right? Honestly if DC/Marvel were so terrible, they wouldn't have lasted this long.

DC/Marvel has plenty of heroes/heroines that gains their powers due to abnormal circumstances. For example, Hal Jordan (a character from DC) is one day approached by a dying extraterritorial and inherits a green power ring which enables him to become a Green Lantern. The power of the ring is solely base on one's willpower, as long as one wills it, it will create it. Thus the Green Lantern power ring is arguably one of DC's universe strongest weapons.

As the story progress he learns that Green Lanterns are elite force of people who serves as a intergalactic police force and each Green Lantern is given a sector to protect/govern over. And please don't go thinking Hal Jordan is your typical jet pilot jock because he's not. He's quite complex as a character; tragic emo past (witnessing his father dying during a jet test flight) older brother and mother never understanding him, blah blah blah. He also gives inspiration to people to never give up similar to how shounen heroes are portrayed.


These so called universe bending god characters are stupid to use in these types of conversations.


Oh so people stating lulz Death Note and Haruhi is suppose to be better?


I never really got into anything but anime


I can see that.


but from what ive seen anime has better everything that makes them characters as a whole instead of power


This is clearly an example of being bias.


In the Goku vs. Superman debate isnt Goku's power more say .........well i dont want to use realistic but it makes more sense.


Sure magically changing my black hair to blond in a blink of an eye makes absolute sense.

Both side don't make sense regardless how much information the writer/creator gives out. If such things we're real, then everyone can become the Hulk and start smashing things and calling people "puny human", except we all know that in real life gamma radiation kills you.


Superman is this perfect "you cant damage me" character thats invincible and does that really make it that entertaining?.


Dragon Ball Z may have some influences to anime/manga industry, but Supes is on a whole new level. Superman played an important role in the western culture, he was created during America's Great Depression and without our boy scout here, probably a lot of things we love today might not exist the same way.

When Superman first died there was an HUGE uproar in the media and among fans (there's was also an huge uproar when Captain America died as while) and more recently another huge uproar when Superman denounced his American heritage (or something like that). These explanation I've given out so far about the significance of Supes has more cultural impact than numerous things DBZ (or today's anime/manga for that matter) can provide.

Supes strong? Well of coarse he is, but he's no where near the omniscient being he was during his Silver Age era. Which is why he was toned down to our lovable Modern Age era and besides with great writing and/or pitting powerful beings (e.g., Darkseid) against Supes, the story will remain entertaining.
Posted 6/19/11
This conversation about DC/Marvel heroes really intrigue me, mind sharing more about them? I've gotten interested into knowing more about them.

Here's a joke, when anime characters die, they usually revive and end up stronger.
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Both side don't make sense regardless how much information the writer/creator gives out. If such things we're real, then everyone can become the Hulk and start smashing things and calling people "puny human", except we all know that in real life gamma radiation kills you.

I've seen it stated then when one brings real world physics into a conversation about anime, God kills a cat girl.

I wonder what he kills when one brings it into the conversation about comics characters?


While the focus here seems to be on hero vs. hero, I would be more interested in anime hero vs. comic villain and visa versa (i.e. Goku vs. Darkseid, Superman vs. Perfect Cell).

Posted 6/20/11
Oh PLEASE!

We all know Marvel's Howard the Duck can take on everyone.

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Silver surfer = win. That is all.
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This conversation about DC/Marvel heroes really intrigue me, mind sharing more about them? I've gotten interested into knowing more about them.

Here's a joke, when anime characters die, they usually revive and end up stronger.


Here's a fact. When DC/Marvel Characters kill them they won't.

Superman would curbstomp the entire DBZ verse. Superman vs. Buu (various forms) has already been discussed and Superman would just atomitize Buu with his heatvision.

Darkseid VS. Goku? Are you serious? Darkseid would thrash Goku like a baby. He's stronger than Superman for christ's sake.
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AsuraCryin wrote:

This conversation about DC/Marvel heroes really intrigue me, mind sharing more about them? I've gotten interested into knowing more about them.

Here's a joke, when anime characters die, they usually revive and end up stronger.


Telling you everything will spoil all the fun, its much better reading them instead.

I'd recommend you give Prelude to Planet Hulk>Planet Hulk>World War Hulk>other Hulk issues associated with those stories (e.g., Planet Skaar) a try. Those arcs are by FAR one the best Hulk stories I have ever laid my eyes upon and it really gives off a new perceptive of the Hulk.

And don't get me started with the amount of DETAIL the art has .
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Death note > all
Or use geass eye

Tons of powerful things in anime


Death Note won't work on everybody. :|

On the other hand, this topic is really interesting.


Geass eye then
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Posted 6/20/11

LelouchKyonConan wrote:


RozenHaela wrote:


LelouchKyonConan wrote:

Death note > all
Or use geass eye

Tons of powerful things in anime


Death Note won't work on everybody. :|

On the other hand, this topic is really interesting.


Geass eye then


Could work but could also have a problem if the other side sneaks up on them or is out of range.
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Superman laser beams planet earth from space. Alternatively Galactus comes and eats planet Earth. Hulk smashes stupid Lelouch's head in. Silver Surfer completely rapes him. The Flash smashes him. Thor smashes him. Almost everyone smashes his pathetic ass.
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