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Who's stronger Anime Characters, DC Characters or Marvel Characters?
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Accelerator, from Toaru Majutsu. Everything you throw at him gets sent straight back at you. Where is your heat vision now?


Touma, with his right hand. *punch* COME AT ME BRO!!!

Funny thing is, i have quoted almos every one of your posts so har that i've seen. I shall start contradicting you in each and every one of them.


Read the Topic.


Yeah yeah, i know. Just wanted to say that though...all superheroes have weaknesses.

Edit: Deflect a supernova then. Warped scientist speeding up the aging process of a huge mass star equals either a supernova or a black hole. Either you get sucked in or you get blown up.

Pertty sure someone in DC/Marvel has created a mad scientist before...


Note that Accelerator must conciously allow even gravity to affect him. So he can. And note that explosions do not affect him. His power is too confusing to explain here, but it basically consists of him being able to change the forces of everything around him to a certain extent. Meaning he can just cancel the explosion, or just negate the black hole.

And then he touches you. And then you die.

EDIT: And yes, he can fly. And he could fly into space if he makes the oxygen/air flow around him.


Ok, ok. But spend a moment here to think that light, the fastest substance known to man in the universe, can still be sucked in by a black hole.

I can appreciate the fact that this guy has extreme powers to the max here. But seeing as the black hole has a mass that is so great that it almost rips the fabric of space time (not being corny here, i'm serious. The bottom of a black hole is the event horizon. Nothing can escape it.) how much power would accellerator had to have to negate the extreme gravitational pull of this?

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Ok, ok. But spend a moment here to think that light, the fastest substance known to man in the universe, can still be sucked in by a black hole.

I can appreciate the fact that this guy has extreme powers to the max here. But seeing as the black hole has a mass that is so great that it almost rips the fabric of space time (not being corny here, i'm serious. The bottom of a black hole is the event horizon. Nothing can escape it.) how much power would accellerator had to have to negate the extreme gravitational pull of this?



The post I just posted didn't have my comment, so I deleted it. Now continuing on...

Note that Accelerators power isn't to negate things, it's to change the vectors (forces) of things. It sounds the same (maybe) but are very different. For example, he can change a pulling motion/force/vector (they all mean the same thing), into a pushing one, or just make it stop.

As an example, a beam of light heads towards him, (or heat vision, or whatever), and he can send it off in any direction he likes. If you try to punch him, the power that you put into your punch ends up pushing back onto your fist/hand/whatever.

So yes, technically, he can cancel and negate explosions and black holes.

EDIT: His power is automatic, at least for the barrier/reflect part of it, so he doesn't even need to think about raising a shield or negating an explosion.
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Posted 6/22/11

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Dragonfurl wrote:


Ok, ok. But spend a moment here to think that light, the fastest substance known to man in the universe, can still be sucked in by a black hole.

I can appreciate the fact that this guy has extreme powers to the max here. But seeing as the black hole has a mass that is so great that it almost rips the fabric of space time (not being corny here, i'm serious. The bottom of a black hole is the event horizon. Nothing can escape it.) how much power would accellerator had to have to negate the extreme gravitational pull of this?



The post I just posted didn't have my comment, so I deleted it. Now continuing on...

Note that Accelerators power isn't to negate things, it's to change the vectors (forces) of things. It sounds the same (maybe) but are very different. For example, he can change a pulling motion/force/vector (they all mean the same thing), into a pushing one, or just make it stop.

As an example, a beam of light heads towards him, (or heat vision, or whatever), and he can send it off in any direction he likes. If you try to punch him, the power that you put into your punch ends up pushing back onto your fist/hand/whatever.

So yes, technically, he can cancel and negate explosions and black holes.

EDIT: His power is automatic, at least for the barrier/reflect part of it, so he doesn't even need to think about raising a shield or negating an explosion.


OK, but think of it this way. If you caused a black hole to suck itself (as you may say, the POWER of a substance, whether it be punch, kick, whatever) then it may make it extremely unstable, causing something that is unknown yet to man. It may just be a huge implosion, which may have the combined force of multiple supernovas, causing maybe a galaxy to be destroyed.
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SkylarkAnime wrote:


Dragonfurl wrote:


The post I just posted didn't have my comment, so I deleted it. Now continuing on...

Note that Accelerators power isn't to negate things, it's to change the vectors (forces) of things. It sounds the same (maybe) but are very different. For example, he can change a pulling motion/force/vector (they all mean the same thing), into a pushing one, or just make it stop.

As an example, a beam of light heads towards him, (or heat vision, or whatever), and he can send it off in any direction he likes. If you try to punch him, the power that you put into your punch ends up pushing back onto your fist/hand/whatever.

So yes, technically, he can cancel and negate explosions and black holes.

EDIT: His power is automatic, at least for the barrier/reflect part of it, so he doesn't even need to think about raising a shield or negating an explosion.



OK, but think of it this way. If you caused a black hole to suck itself (as you may say, the POWER of a substance, whether it be punch, kick, whatever) then it may make it extremely unstable, causing something that is unknown yet to man. It may just be a huge implosion, which may have the combined force of multiple supernovas, causing maybe a galaxy to be destroyed.

No, you aren't getting me. The Black Hole doesn't necessarily have to suck itself. He can redirect it so it doesn't affect him, but it doesn't necessarily have to make the black hole collapse on itself. By the punch thing, it was an example of what he could do. Note that I wrote that he could send a beam or whatever into a different direction.

I have a feeling that any moment now, someone who nows more about DC, Marvel, or Accelerator is going to comment and then destroy this argument.
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I have a feeling that any moment now, someone who nows more about DC, Marvel, or Accelerator is going to comment and then destroy this argument.


And that would be ME! I kid, I kid...

I'll let someone else do the rebuttal, I can't take all the fun.
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What I'm wondering is why everybody assumes Haruhi is even going to be fighting at all. She has no fighting sense whatsoever, much less the ability to conscientiously use her powers for combat.

Superman's the type of character who'll actually talk to people, which means he's probably going to avoid every single fight that's been mentioned. He and Goku may trade blows initially, but then we'd get the whole "WHOA WHOA WAIT WAIT there is no reason for us to be doing this at all" and Goku would agree.

Then they'd have a friendly "fight" later and Superman would launch him into space, then kindly bring him back before he suffocated.
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Yeah yeah, i know. Just wanted to say that though...all superheroes have weaknesses.

Agreed.

Superman could be killed by a mere human possessing enough Kryptonite.

Galactus feared the Ultimate Nullifier.

Accelerator is ultimately a human being, who needs air, water, and food. Isolate him from any of these long enough, and he will die. These also provide attack vectors, as does his need to see and hear.

That said, there do appear to be some entities that apparently have no weakness, but either are neutral, simply disinterested in the affairs of lesser beings, or are counterbalanced by another equal force (i.e., irresistible force meets immovable object).

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What I'm wondering is why everybody assumes Haruhi is even going to be fighting at all. She has no fighting sense whatsoever, much less the ability to conscientiously use her powers for combat.

Superman's the type of character who'll actually talk to people, which means he's probably going to avoid every single fight that's been mentioned. He and Goku may trade blows initially, but then we'd get the whole "WHOA WHOA WAIT WAIT there is no reason for us to be doing this at all" and Goku would agree.

Then they'd have a friendly "fight" later and Superman would launch him into space, then kindly bring him back before he suffocated.


Even if these were the case, we are not talking about something that needs a storyline or plot. We're simply comparing characters.

I do agree on the Haruhi part where she can't use her powers concientously.
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Dragonfurl wrote:

Yeah yeah, i know. Just wanted to say that though...all superheroes have weaknesses.

Agreed.

Superman could be killed by a mere human possessing enough Kryptonite.

Galactus feared the Ultimate Nullifier.

Accelerator is ultimately a human being, who needs air, water, and food. Isolate him from any of these long enough, and he will die. These also provide attack vectors, as does his need to see and hear.

That said, there do appear to be some entities that apparently have no weakness, but either are neutral, simply disinterested in the affairs of lesser beings, or are counterbalanced by another equal force (i.e., irresistible force meets immovable object).



Please don't bring in things like "This character needs food or water, or he will die.", unless there is actually a character that can actually use his/her/its/ powers to take it away. Although I'm sure that there is...

Also, Edward Elric > Superman. Make some Kryptonite. All good.
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Please don't bring in things like "This character needs food or water, or he will die.", unless there is actually a character that can actually use his/her/its/ powers to take it away. Although I'm sure that there is...

In fact they are numerous, which is why I didn't mention it.

Even a normal human being, if they had the resources, and didn't care about the risk to others, could poison all the food and water in the area. Unless Accelerator both knew this had happened, he'd be dead. If he did know this had happened, it would still deprive him of food and water unless his vector ability was sufficiently refined that he could separate out the poison in a given area. Likewise, luring him into a large area that has a Halon fire extinguishing system would be an effective technique for an average person to use (although they would also be a goner unless they had an oxygen supply at the ready).

Beings with powers would have more ways of depriving him of one or more of these three (blowing up the planet, freezing the atmosphere in the area, changing the oxygen in the air in the vicinity into another element, etc.).



Also, Edwad Elric > Superman. Make some Kryptonite. All good.

While indeed Ed can transmute one element into another, it would presume he knew it existed. Also, could Ed transmute an element to one he didn't know the structure of?

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After a long period of deep thought (not really), I have come to a revelation as to why DC and Marvel characters seem to have so many more OP powers compared to Anime, and this is the funadmental reason why...

DC and Marvel both have a plot that revolves around superheroes destroying supervillains. People with superpowers fighting against other people with superpowers.

However, Anime goes for a much more realistic approach, with themes that revolve more around normal people fighting against overwhelming odds and winning. Really, it might be okay for DC and Marvel to have super OP characters that can destory the world in a punch, but I really wouldn't want to watch an anime about a super OP character who can do that. Unless it's at the end of the series. And it includes drills.

Back on topic, I agree with the above points TheAncientOne pointed out. As a result, I have just thought of something else. Can we include characters whos powers are not really made clear in both the manga and the anime? If so... Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann Spoiler though...

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No, you aren't getting me. The Black Hole doesn't necessarily have to suck itself. He can redirect it so it doesn't affect him, but it doesn't necessarily have to make the black hole collapse on itself. By the punch thing, it was an example of what he could do. Note that I wrote that he could send a beam or whatever into a different direction.

I have a feeling that any moment now, someone who nows more about DC, Marvel, or Accelerator is going to comment and then destroy this argument.


What's Accelerator going to do against someone who can casually destroy planets with a flick of their hand? What about soul rape? Mind rape? Spiritual attacks? Reality warping? Oh wait nothing because even if you count him in his most OP form, his powers still require an attack to have some physical form. Yes sure he can dissapate magic, but it's never been shown how much, and it's more than safe to assume a planet breaker's magic would easily overwhelm his defenses along with most of ToAru's characters.

So in the end, Accelerator max form, even as an angel would still get brutally beat down by higher tier DC and Marvel characters who are capable of all the things as stated above.

Anti-Spirals = Sacked, raped, molested, completely destoryed, etc., etc. by the Celestials. Baby shaked. Utterly curb stomped. How many ways can I put this.

These Celestials and mind you there's enough of them to fill up an ENTIRE universe okay? Each and every single one of them is capable of the following abilities.
Every average celestial has the following powers: Super speed, super strength, immortality (mix of types 1, 3, and 4), regeneration (low-godly), massive cosmic energy generation, projection, manipulation, and absorbtion, can absorb/manipulate nearly any form of energy, forcefield creation, telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation, causality manipulation, precognition, ability to travel between dimensions and universes, dimension/universe creation/manipulation, can open dimensional portals, internal "antibodies" strong enough to harm Thor, mind control, probability manipulation, reality warping , size changing, shapeshifting, creation of avatars to interact with lesser beings, ability to copy/manipulate/remove the powers of lesser beings, time/space manipulation (can exist in multiple places in space at the same time), matter manipulation, telepathic resistance on a cosmic level, and many more. They possess a device known as "The Weapon" which is said to have comparable power to the Ultimate Nullifier.

TL;DR? Cosmic Cube Beings as in universal reality warpers and low multiversal beings stated that one, I REPEAT ONE, Celestial was far greater than any one of the Cube Beings.

Baby shaked.
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you know what

Aunt May wins

Once, Long Ago, TSR created a Marvel Heroes table top RPG. Some gamer out there, after examining the rules in detail, discovered that Aunt May, armed only with a Kitchen Knife could kill anyone and everyone up to and including Galactus.


So my position on this matter is that nobody beats the sweet little old lady, and everyone enjoys brownies.


In fact I propose that the sweet little old ladies from all of Marvel DC and Anime, get together and beat down everyone else
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@andydono ok so about the god characters is the fact that im not counting Haruhi or Death Note and when i say Goku is makes more sense i mean that he can die with a reasonable amount of power where someone like superman wont die unless a godly amount of power is there to completely destroy him. But i do understand how ignorant i was and u were right in some of these cases but again i didnt really get into DC and Marvel. I just like anime better and ya teenagers that somehow beat experienced adults is stupid and extremely unlikely and im sad to say that there are too many shows like that but the few that dont are very good. <Darker Than Black>
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Ok, Kenshin beats all, that's my vote, so anime I guess.
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