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Who's stronger Anime Characters, DC Characters or Marvel Characters?
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Trolls gonna be trolls. Or just ignorant. Marvel and DC wins with Tenchi Muyo beside them duking it out. End of story until someone proves otherwise. And no saying X wins just because he does is not proof.
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DC and Marvel both have a plot that revolves around superheroes destroying super villains. People with superpowers fighting against other people with superpowers.


*Facepalm* This isn't anime where one can easily make a new anime and use the same formula with some modification over and over again. This further proves your lack of knowledge on DC and Marvel universe.

Do you honestly think that DC and Marvel survived this long in super hero business simply from fighting super evil mastermind every single arcs? Hellz no! Examples taken from the Marvel universe alone will be sufficient, these arcs may have bad guys for our heroes/heroines to defeat, but they aren't really the main focus. I'm not going to give out too much detail, just the general idea because I don't want to spoil too much.

House of M


Civil War


Planet Hulk


You see western comic-books aren't so white and black that typical Japanophile likes to believe.


However, Anime goes for a much more realistic approach, with themes that revolve more around normal people fighting against overwhelming odds and winning. Really, it might be okay for DC and Marvel to have super OP characters that can destroy the world in a punch, but I really wouldn't want to watch an anime about a super OP character who can do that. Unless it's at the end of the series. And it includes drills.




Are you freaking serious? Did you completely ignore my response to samlee555's post?

Anime more realistic? You got to be joking. We are talking about the same anime where super heroes/super villains are mostly teenagers with attitudes, where bishie boys is the general male population, where sailor suits is the the absolute law for magical girls to wear as their crime-fighting costume, where loli girls exist in every corner, where there always has to be one girl with a goddam annoying catchphrase, where adults for the most part are incompetent morons, where high school life is absolutely FABULOUS?
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andydono wrote:


SkylarkAnime wrote:

DC and Marvel both have a plot that revolves around superheroes destroying super villains. People with superpowers fighting against other people with superpowers.


*Facepalm* This isn't anime where one can easily make a new anime and use the same formula with some modification over and over again.

This further proves your lack of knowledge on DC and Marvel universe. Do you honestly think that DC and Marvel survived this long in action hero/heroine business simply from fighting super evil mastermind every single arcs?

What, so DC/Marvel actually have stories about other things besides defeating super villains? Sure they do. Want proof? Alright, examples from the Marvel universe alone will be enough. I'm not going to give out too much detail, just the general idea because I don't want to spoil too much.

House of M


Civil War


Planet Hulk


You see western comic-books aren't so white and black that typical Japanophile likes to believe.


Okay, I can agree on the point that Marvel and DC is much deeper then I stated them to be. But I still believe that the main point involves a certain hero facing OP villains, and at the end of the arc, gain OP powers, or team up with another hero, and defeat the previously OP villain.


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Anime more realistic? You got to be joking. We are talking about the same anime where super heroes/super villains are mostly teenagers with attitudes, where bishie boys is the general male population, where sailor suits is the the absolute law for magical girls to wear as their crime-fighting costume, where loli girls exist in every corner, where there always has to be one girl with a goddam annoying catchphrase, where adults for the most part incompetent morons, where high school life is absolutely FABULOUS?


Okay, for this, I apoplogse. What I meant was that the scale was smaller, and more closer to a believable story. There aren't villains fill up the world with every superpower they can cram into them, or superheroes that can punch a sun. I can believe that somewhere out there, there are people with an absolutely FABULOUS school life more then I can believe a Superhero goes around shooting heat beams from his eyes and block bullets with his bare body.

The fact that makes Marvel and DC entertaining, and you said this yourself, is that "with great writing and/or pitting powerful beings (e.g., Darkseid) against Supes, the story will remain entertaining." Basically, creating a good setting and making even more stronger supervillains to pit the superhero against makes it entertaining, meaning that they end up creating more and more OP villains and the hero gets even mroe OP powers as the comic progresses. And Superman, as an example, has been out for like what, 80 years since it started.

Although the case is the same for Anime and manga, in that " a good setting and making even more stronger supervillains to pit the superhero against makes it entertaining", manga and anime usually finish and wrap up very quickly The longest action manga I know is Dragonball, and that only went on for around 11 years as a manga, and 30 years as an anime, including plotlines from the original manga. If it had continued for the same amount of time, I doubt that Goku would lose to Superman. Likewise, if Gurren Lagann had continued into a long series, or ongoing series, I doubt it would lose to most of your Marvel/DC characters.

Note that I do agree that Marvel and DC are much stronger then anime characters. I'm just giving an insightful view as to WHY.
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Okay, I can agree on the point that Marvel and DC is much deeper then I stated them to be. But I still believe that the main point involves a certain hero facing OP villains, and at the end of the arc, gain OP powers, or team up with another hero, and defeat the previously OP villain.


Doesn't that describe basically every Shonen Battle Manga ever?


When you get down to it, American and Japanese Comics aren't so different. Particularly if you start looking around. DC's Vertigo imprint for example has a lot of fantastic stuff like Fables.


and what about Archie?
When you get down to it, isn't Archie a Harem center. Sure it's a really tame harem series, but he's got the Childhood Friend and the rich princess and they added the sexy red head a few years back.

If Betty would just go Yandere on him it would be awesome.


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I have to go create a Yandere Betty Mot now....
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WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK WE'RE GOING TO SAY??? Fuck, learn some common sense.
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Um lol who are you talking to?
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Well it's kinda hard to say because some characters are stronger than others. Another factor is that each character belongs in their respected universes where different laws apply. If I were to speak generally, I'd say DC/Marvel characters are generally stronger. I'm not saying anime characters are weak, because I'm sure Goku, Light, Ryougi Shiki Void form, and etc would be able to take out quite a handful of heroes. Just like how Superman, Ironman, Hulk, and etc could take out quite a handful of anime characters. But generally speaking, I do believe western comic heroes come out on top.
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i think some of us have a different meaning or dont understand how others use the term realistic
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Though I haven't watched the actual show, people say Demonbane is on par with The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon). Tell me more guys, I know you have good information about either one of the parties.
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SkylarkAnime wrote:
The fact that makes Marvel and DC entertaining, and you said this yourself, is that "with great writing and/or pitting powerful beings (e.g., Darkseid) against Supes, the story will remain entertaining." Basically, creating a good setting and making even more stronger supervillains to pit the superhero against makes it entertaining, meaning that they end up creating more and more OP villains and the hero gets even mroe OP powers as the comic progresses. And Superman, as an example, has been out for like what, 80 years since it started.

Although the case is the same for Anime and manga, in that " a good setting and making even more stronger supervillains to pit the superhero against makes it entertaining", manga and anime usually finish and wrap up very quickly The longest action manga I know is Dragonball, and that only went on for around 11 years as a manga, and 30 years as an anime, including plotlines from the original manga. If it had continued for the same amount of time, I doubt that Goku would lose to Superman. Likewise, if Gurren Lagann had continued into a long series, or ongoing series, I doubt it would lose to most of your Marvel/DC characters.

One item that needs to be taken into account is the "reset button". At some point with increasing powers, the character becomes so powerful that writing stories becomes difficult and/or too much legacy builds up that is problematic or potentially conflicting, and the decision is made to reset everything and start over. The last reboot of Superman I am aware of happened in the 1980's, and was a complete scrap everything that came before it and start from scratch reset.

Most anime series or manga would have had to resort to the same thing (especially the shonen ones were increasing power is common), had they ran for a similar length of time.

I expect someone reading this will point out that Bleach has been airing for 6.5 years, while the characters are still in High School. The catch here is that if you look at how little real time each episode typically covers (especially if you take out the filler, which basically screws with the timeline of the manga), I doubt even 2 years have passed.

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One item that needs to be taken into account is the "reset button". At some point with increasing powers, the character becomes so powerful that writing stories becomes difficult and/or too much legacy builds up that is problematic or potentially conflicting, and the decision is made to reset everything and start over. The last reboot of Superman I am aware of happened in the 1980's, and was a complete scrap everything that came before it and start from scratch reset.

Most anime series or manga would have had to resort to the same thing (especially the shonen ones were increasing power is common), had they ran for a similar length of time.

I expect someone reading this will point out that Bleach has been airing for 6.5 years, while the characters are still in High School. The catch here is that if you look at how little real time each episode typically covers (especially if you take out the filler, which basically screws with the timeline of the manga), I doubt even 2 years have passed.



Even with the overhaul, characters which had been, and this applies to both DC and Marvel, and would to anime if it had them, at the height of their powers who lose all of them would gain them back in probably 3/4 or even 1/2 the time it took them to get back to that power level. As an example, (Flame me if I'm wrong - I don't read the comics), but Superman has probably recovered all the powers he had compared to his first "life" with the same years of serialisation... I don't even know if I understand the way I just phrased it, but yeah...

I doubt anyone who had read the previous manga/comics would read something where the Hero loses all his powers and then proceeds to beat up villains with no sign of ever getting back to his former glory.

Which leads me to this off the topic question - What exactly were the villains doing when superman had none/nearly no powers? I find it hard to believe that just when he loses all his powers only fodder characters would pop up and givehim exp...

Back on topic, I doubt that the appropiate Anime would lose to Marvel and DC characters if they had the same years of serilisation/showings.

Note that I am not saying anime characters are stronger. I now agree that Marvel and DC characters are generally stronger then Anime characters.
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thought i'd bring up itachi uchiha, amaterasu, and susanoo, nuff said, plus anime has Gundams





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Galactus could easily beat the crap out of them. So, bring out all of your Gundams, colony lasers, ninjas and Tailed Beasts, because even at Galactus' weakened state, they can't even tarnish his armor.
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Did i cause i riot here with the DC, Marvel and anime fan boys sigh can't believe this is my most popular thread that i've ever made thank you to all those who are contributing to this thread. I just can't be asked to read every post now lol
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SkylarkAnime wrote:
Which leads me to this off the topic question - What exactly were the villains doing when superman had none/nearly no powers? I find it hard to believe that just when he loses all his powers only fodder characters would pop up and givehim exp...

I think you misunderstand. It was a full reset. Meaning "forget everything that came before, here is how it started, and who he is". To put it another way, think of it as Full Metal Alchemist (pre-reboot) vs. FMA: Brotherhood (after reboot).

Of course, the longer a series runs, the more writers resort to digging back into the old story. Even as late as "The Death of Superman", years after the reboot, there was only one type of Kryptonite, and it was green. In the pre-reboot era, there was almost every color under the rainbow, and had been for years (probably close to two decades, if not more). I wouldn't be surprised if most of those are back now. The reboot also eliminated Superman's "Superboy" era, which was had actually been retconned into the pre-reboot era. It returned to Superman making his first public debut as an adult.

It is similar to the way that when Enterprise was launched as a series, there were intentions to avoid stories with any of the "known" Star Trek races, but despite that, by the time the series ended, we had stories involving Klingons, Andorians, Romulans, Tholians, and even the Borg for goodness sake! Come to think of it, I think the same was true of TNG, although they were actually more successful in sticking to that, despite all those races (with the exception of the Borg, of course) already being well established in that time frame.

So, yes, if anime or manga ran as long and did the same type of full reset, it probably would not take as long as the first time around for the character(s) to be back to the same power level, etc..

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