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Who's stronger Anime Characters, DC Characters or Marvel Characters?
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Which leads me to this off the topic question - What exactly were the villains doing when superman had none/nearly no powers? I find it hard to believe that just when he loses all his powers only fodder characters would pop up and givehim exp...

I think you misunderstand. It was a full reset. Meaning "forget everything that came before, here is how it started, and who he is". To put it another way, think of it as Full Metal Alchemist (pre-reboot) vs. FMA: Brotherhood (after reboot).

Of course, the longer a series runs, the more writers resort to digging back into the old story. Even as late as "The Death of Superman", years after the reboot, there was only one type of Kryptonite, and it was green. In the pre-reboot era, there was almost every color under the rainbow, and had been for years (probably close to two decades, if not more). I wouldn't be surprised if most of those are back now. The reboot also eliminated Superman's "Superboy" era, which was had actually been retconned into the pre-reboot era. It returned to Superman making his first public debut as an adult.

It is similar to the way that when Enterprise was launched as a series, there were intentions to avoid stories with any of the "known" Star Trek races, but despite that, by the time the series ended, we had stories involving Klingons, Andorians, Romulans, Tholians, and even the Borg for goodness sake! Come to think of it, I think the same was true of TNG, although they were actually more successful in sticking to that, despite all those races (with the exception of the Borg, of course) already being well established in that time frame.

So, yes, if anime or manga ran as long and did the same type of full reset, it probably would not take as long as the first time around for the character(s) to be back to the same power level, etc..



Oh I c... My brain is currently preoccupied trying to solve Hiurro's mystery on /amp/ and as such, is unable to type muc more then this. Not that there is anything to say.
Posted 6/23/11 , edited 6/23/11
Off topic: I said this once and I'll say it again. Before anyone starts badmouthing American comics, I suggest you read some of DC Vertigo's comics.
Vertigo is a branch of DC that goes way beyond the whole superhero stuff. Go read a Hellblazer or Lucifer comic. I tend to prefer their dialgoue and story telling to manga. It's a shame I haven't read enough since it's hard to access them these days, especially since there's no comic book store where I live. Please stop saying all DC can do is just the same old superhero stuff, some of the arguments made me cringe so badly.


EDIT: Read this if you have the chance. The art might not be that great but don't let it put you off. Before you ask it's safe an legal to read this since DC will let you read the first issue for everything. I think you might enjoy it. http://www.dccomics.com/media/excerpts/1636_1.pdf

On topic: Lucifer Morningstar could quite possibly fuck everyone up. He's far too powerful. I THINK he may be the most poweful being in DC.
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Doesn't that depend on what you mean by "stronger"? If you mean actual strength, probably anime, but if you mean as far as followers and popularity goes, most likely Marvel.
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Doesn't that depend on what you mean by "stronger"? If you mean actual strength, probably anime, but if you mean as far as followers and popularity goes, most likely Marvel.


Go back and read some of the older post for marvel/dc feats.
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Off topic: I said this once and I'll say it again. Before anyone starts badmouthing American comics, I suggest you read some of DC Vertigo's comics.
Vertigo is a branch of DC that goes way beyond the whole superhero stuff. Go read a Hellblazer or Lucifer comic. I tend to prefer their dialgoue and story telling to manga. It's a shame I haven't read enough since it's hard to access them these days, especially since there's no comic book store where I live. Please stop saying all DC can do is just the same old superhero stuff, some of the arguments made me cringe so badly.


EDIT: Read this if you have the chance. The art might not be that great but don't let it put you off. Before you ask it's safe an legal to read this since DC will let you read the first issue for everything. I think you might enjoy it. http://www.dccomics.com/media/excerpts/1636_1.pdf

On topic: Lucifer Morningstar could quite possibly fuck everyone up. He's far too powerful. I THINK he may be the most poweful being in DC.


So... I read it. Twice in fact. And if you ask me, at least from this one chapter, I think it's the same as a typical manga setting and introduction. Although it could have been only because I only read one chapter, I really don't think that it was really any different to the manga that I normally read. There wasn't really anything that caught my attention. Sure, there were some deep sounding words in the beginning, but it didn't really catch my attention. I see that kind of stuff everywhere...

And seriously, the devil pretending to be a human gets told by an old man about some happening ons, goes to see an informant and then finds that the cause of whatever he was starting to investigate was dead before he even got there, and as a result has to travel back to hell to do whatever he needs to do? I don't know what kind of manga you've been reading, but I've seen that type of plot way too often for it to be any good. The art wasn't at a level which I would "wow" at either, and at least a quarter of the dialogue was introducing a family which won't even turn up in the comic anymore.

It didn't have a sense of buildup in any part, but I can accept this because it's the first chapter.

Now, don't start saying that "you haven't even read any of the chapters". I don't have access to them, and you only sent me one. Now, if you were to send me more links, I might consider reading more, but not likely.
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So... I read it. Twice in fact. And if you ask me, at least from this one chapter, I think it's the same as a typical manga setting and introduction. Although it could have been only because I only read one chapter, I really don't think that it was really any different to the manga that I normally read. There wasn't really anything that caught my attention. Sure, there were some deep sounding words in the beginning, but it didn't really catch my attention. I see that kind of stuff everywhere...

And seriously, the devil pretending to be a human gets told by an old man about some happening ons, goes to see an informant and then finds that the cause of whatever he was starting to investigate was dead before he even got there, and as a result has to travel back to hell to do whatever he needs to do? I don't know what kind of manga you've been reading, but I've seen that type of plot way too often for it to be any good. The art wasn't at a level which I would "wow" at either, and at least a quarter of the dialogue was introducing a family which won't even turn up in the comic anymore.

It didn't have a sense of buildup in any part, but I can accept this because it's the first chapter.

Now, don't start saying that "you haven't even read any of the chapters". I don't have access to them, and you only sent me one. Now, if you were to send me more links, I might consider reading more, but not likely.


I'll send you the Planet Hulk and World War Hulk arcs to read, its more complete which will make it a lot more entertaining. I'm going PM the link for you instead since I didn't get it by legal means.
Posted 6/23/11 , edited 6/23/11

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Han_Solo wrote:

Off topic: I said this once and I'll say it again. Before anyone starts badmouthing American comics, I suggest you read some of DC Vertigo's comics.
Vertigo is a branch of DC that goes way beyond the whole superhero stuff. Go read a Hellblazer or Lucifer comic. I tend to prefer their dialgoue and story telling to manga. It's a shame I haven't read enough since it's hard to access them these days, especially since there's no comic book store where I live. Please stop saying all DC can do is just the same old superhero stuff, some of the arguments made me cringe so badly.


EDIT: Read this if you have the chance. The art might not be that great but don't let it put you off. Before you ask it's safe an legal to read this since DC will let you read the first issue for everything. I think you might enjoy it. http://www.dccomics.com/media/excerpts/1636_1.pdf

On topic: Lucifer Morningstar could quite possibly fuck everyone up. He's far too powerful. I THINK he may be the most poweful being in DC.


So... I read it. Twice in fact. And if you ask me, at least from this one chapter, I think it's the same as a typical manga setting and introduction. Although it could have been only because I only read one chapter, I really don't think that it was really any different to the manga that I normally read. There wasn't really anything that caught my attention. Sure, there were some deep sounding words in the beginning, but it didn't really catch my attention. I see that kind of stuff everywhere...

And seriously, the devil pretending to be a human gets told by an old man about some happening ons, goes to see an informant and then finds that the cause of whatever he was starting to investigate was dead before he even got there, and as a result has to travel back to hell to do whatever he needs to do? I don't know what kind of manga you've been reading, but I've seen that type of plot way too often for it to be any good. The art wasn't at a level which I would "wow" at either, and at least a quarter of the dialogue was introducing a family which won't even turn up in the comic anymore.

It didn't have a sense of buildup in any part, but I can accept this because it's the first chapter.

Now, don't start saying that "you haven't even read any of the chapters". I don't have access to them, and you only sent me one. Now, if you were to send me more links, I might consider reading more, but not likely.


Wow, I'm just surprised they didn't upload the whole volume. They did so for Hellblazer: Original Sins.

But don't go judging a whole plot/series on that first chapter, but I'm not accusing you of that. I've watched/read a lot of anime/manga and US comics that start off very mediocre. I should have picked a better choice to be honest, so I agree with you.

I said what I said on my previous post for two reasons:
1.I can't help but feel that someone at some point is going to post on how anime is the 'be all and end all' of story telling.
2.Your comment:



However, Anime goes for a much more realistic approach, with themes that revolve more around normal people fighting against overwhelming odds and winning. Really, it might be okay for DC and Marvel to have super OP characters that can destroy the world in a punch, but I really wouldn't want to watch an anime about a super OP character who can do that. Unless it's at the end of the series. And it includes drills.



but andydono has already talked to you about that and took the words right out of my mouth.

It's a shame I haven't read enough DC Vertigo (due to lack of access where I live) but there are alot of stories about the non-superpowred lot or just people with powers but not OT (Like Hellblazer, which is thrilling), and not just about "super OP characters that can destroy the world in a punch".

But seriously, if you happen to have the chance check some of the stuff out. It really has some brilliant story telling. But I'm not going to say US comics is better than manga overall. I just think Vertigo has impressed me a lot more. Don't knock it til you've tried it, I nearly did that once. (properly, not just that one issue)

This is going way OT, plus I'm out of steam, but I'm sure you have tons to say so PM me if you do.

P.S

I did warn you about the art.

EDIT: I'm not trying to badmouth manga either, there's some manga I adore more than most things. I wouldn't mind trading half of my batman comics for all 6 volumes of Akira right now.
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Does it matter? Each of them has got some of the most powerful fictional characters ever created. No need trying to prove who's stronger than who.

Well that's just my stupid brain thinking PLEASE DON'T KILL ME
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Does it matter? Each of them has got some of the most powerful fictional characters ever created. No need trying to prove who's stronger than who.

Well that's just my stupid brain thinking PLEASE DON'T KILL ME


No..not stupid. You're quite right.
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Does it matter? Each of them has got some of the most powerful fictional characters ever created. No need trying to prove who's stronger than who.

Well that's just my stupid brain thinking PLEASE DON'T KILL ME


It's less of a "need to", and more of a "want to".

It's just like when you compare your marks on a test with a friend. Both of you did the test and the results cannot be changed. There's no "need" to compare results, but you just do anyway.
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Now that I think about it characters from Akira could possibly be able to hold their ground against a good chunk of DC and Marvel heroes/villains thanks to their broken ESP powers.
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LelouchKyonConan wrote:


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Death note > all
Or use geass eye

Tons of powerful things in anime


Death Note won't work on everybody. :|

On the other hand, this topic is really interesting.


Geass eye then


Could work but could also have a problem if the other side sneaks up on them or is out of range.


One of the medaka box's pow then, those are ridiculous.....
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Geass eye then


I counter that with The Incredible Hulk, Superman the Man of Steel, Phoenix/Dark Phoenix (aka Jean Grey), the Silver Surfer, and any Green Lanterns.


One of medaka box's powers. Like all fiction, turns anything as if nothing happened, can make anything into nothing like even their powers, can erase the world.
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One of medaka box's powers. Like all fiction, turns anything as if nothing happened, can make anything into nothing like even their powers, can erase the world.


You do realize that any Green Lantern has the power of imagination at their disposal, the Silver Surfer wields cosmic powers and depending on which Superman we're talking about, Supes can be just as broken as Silver Surfer (or possibly even more broken).

There is a flaw for All Fiction, he can't reject the same thing twice, plus he can't even fully control his reality shaping ability. If he can fling his power around as freely as Mister Mxyzptlk, then we can start talking.
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The fact that makes Marvel and DC entertaining, and you said this yourself, is that "with great writing and/or pitting powerful beings (e.g., Darkseid) against Supes, the story will remain entertaining." Basically, creating a good setting and making even more stronger supervillains to pit the superhero against makes it entertaining, meaning that they end up creating more and more OP villains and the hero gets even mroe OP powers as the comic progresses. And Superman, as an example, has been out for like what, 80 years since it started.


One item that needs to be taken into account is the "reset button". At some point with increasing powers, the character becomes so powerful that writing stories becomes difficult and/or too much legacy builds up that is problematic or potentially conflicting, and the decision is made to reset everything and start over. The last reboot of Superman I am aware of happened in the 1980's, and was a complete scrap everything that came before it and start from scratch reset.

Quotes spoilered to reduce length.

While performing my regular daily check of a dealnews.com, I came across a tidbit that DC is resetting their universe yet again, and a quick search turned up this:
http://comics.ign.com/articles/117/1174887p1.html
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TheAncientOne wrote:

While performing my regular daily check of a dealnews.com, I came across a tidbit that DC is resetting their universe yet again, and a quick search turned up this:
http://comics.ign.com/articles/117/1174887p1.html


The whole franchise is getting a reboot and it starts in September. They're doing this to appeal to the new fans and the younger folks.

To be honest I'm not that happy about it, nevertheless I'll still support their decision. I'm going to miss Batman Inc. and seeing Dick being Batman with Damian as the newest Boy Wonder (and he's also Bruce's son) . I'm going to try to buy every issue #1, they're obviously not going to be worth anything, I just want them for keepsake.
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