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What is faith?
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Posted 11/24/06
FAITH is a tool, used by people to keep people going strong, even when there is no hope at all. Its not the actual faith thats important, its the fact that it pushes us to try our best in dark times. This is what makes us strong, or weak
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lusulpher wrote:

It takes as much "faith" to believe that a Higher Power exists, as it does to believe that a Higher Power doesn't exist.

Personally if I believed their was no Higher Power keeping me in check, I'd go nuts. Psychopathically NUTS!

Stealing, raping, maiming, doping, you name it, I would try it, just to make sure I had done it once before I died. That's one of my fears, someone proves a God doesn't exist, and I know I have no reason NOT to do everything I want. I'd become the proverbial Devil.

Count your blessings, you self-righteous agnostics and atheists.



Second the motion.
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its just believing on somthing u think that is existing....omg what the hell are u ppl talking bout
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bellus-vae wrote:


lusulpher wrote:

It takes as much "faith" to believe that a Higher Power exists, as it does to believe that a Higher Power doesn't exist.

Personally if I believed their was no Higher Power keeping me in check, I'd go nuts. Psychopathically NUTS!

Stealing, raping, maiming, doping, you name it, I would try it, just to make sure I had done it once before I died. That's one of my fears, someone proves a God doesn't exist, and I know I have no reason NOT to do everything I want. I'd become the proverbial Devil.

Count your blessings, you self-righteous agnostics and atheists.



Second the motion.


Third, wait I am nuts... Ahh,oh well...
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Faith in god is ignorance, turning a blind eye to reality to make ourselves feel better by saying that if I believe and do such and such I'll go to paradise. How do I know this? I use to be a christian, and I dealt with arguments against my beliefs by saying "god works in mysterious ways" LOL was I an idiot back then.

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uhhmmm i wud love to respect ur opinion but pls try to respect us christians as well
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FlyinAsian wrote:

Faith in god is ignorance, turning a blind eye to reality to make ourselves feel better by saying that if I believe and do such and such I'll go to paradise. How do I know this? I use to be a christian, and I dealt with arguments against my beliefs by saying "god works in mysterious ways" LOL was I an idiot back then.



God, is a relevent term, it could mean something else to everyone. Don't you believe something, anything created the universe? If you do you believe in god.

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On faith and reason: http://www.iep.utm.edu/f/faith-re.htm

The positions I am closest to are agnosticism, skepticism, and secular humanism. Let me try to render what a common secular humanist response to faith would be. Secular humanists are anti-supernatural, and thus pro science. They would hold that religious are not dealing with the world as it is. That is, religious use this term faith as a valid reason to believe in something. To sum up, religious give this reason, faith, for what they believe, which is really no reason at all, just an irrational belief.

Most secular humanists would disagree with several comments in lusulpher's last post, which I can relate if anyone is interested.

Lastly, dealing with a question posed in the first post, why we reach out to religion/faith. Here is an article that suggests that religious belief is a by product of evolution rather then a specific adaptation: http://pinker.wjh.harvard.edu/articles/media/2004_10_29_religion.htm
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hahahah this thread amuses me very much
my eyebrows approve of everyone's silly banter
In the name of Joe Pesci i bless you all
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silly banter ^
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I declare myself GOD, bow down to my killer kung fu styles
Ancient confucious precept #1: in the beginning was the word, and the word was cbisram. "I command thee to worship my white beard, or i will smite thee"
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Eros wrote:

On faith and reason: http://www.iep.utm.edu/f/faith-re.htm

The positions I am closest to are agnosticism, skepticism, and secular humanism. Let me try to render what a common secular humanist response to faith would be. Secular humanists are anti-supernatural, and thus pro science. They would hold that religious are not dealing with the world as it is. That is, religious use this term faith as a valid reason to believe in something. To sum up, religious give this reason, faith, for what they believe, which is really no reason at all, just an irrational belief.

Most secular humanists would disagree with several comments in lusulpher's last post, which I can relate if anyone is interested.

Lastly, dealing with a question posed in the first post, why we reach out to religion/faith. Here is an article that suggests that religious belief is a by product of evolution rather then a specific adaptation: http://pinker.wjh.harvard.edu/articles/media/2004_10_29_religion.htm


I'm interested.
I am as one of the most critical people I know(debate threads attest to that), me being a religious person can be considered a miracle(scientific term:highly coincidental phenomenon).

Once I realized that Humanity can only guess where they originated. I had to open my mind to the possibility of anything(considering the size of our solarsystem in the "known" Universe ).
So far, the best theory seems to be the Hebrew belief in Yahweh. I deduced that after learning the Theory of Evolution and comparing it to Genesis all the way to the Tower of Babel(in the original Hebrew, not the edited King James crap).

That is science backing up long-passed down information. That is a miracle in itself.

If you have read the religion thread, I have also eliminated religions that either contribute nothing to the advancement of our race, or are making sh** up(especially Mormons )

A positive faith(Higher Power) is more useful than a negative faith(no Higher Power). I can't really say "God" because words are easily changed, if "God" turns out to be a motherly race of aliens, they are still the "Higher Power". And it still wouldn't matter, the people with faith in something greater than themselves would still be correct.
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Posted 11/24/06

naruto9817 wrote:


FlyinAsian wrote:

Faith in god is ignorance, turning a blind eye to reality to make ourselves feel better by saying that if I believe and do such and such I'll go to paradise. How do I know this? I use to be a christian, and I dealt with arguments against my beliefs by saying "god works in mysterious ways" LOL was I an idiot back then.



God, is a relevent term, it could mean something else to everyone. Don't you believe something, anything created the universe? If you do you believe in god.


So if I say I believe the great bang created the universe, then the big bang is god? How can an event be god?

God was created to explain things, hundreds of years ago, the catholic church said god moved the stars and planets and that the earth was flat and that the earth was the center of the universe. In modern times we know this isn't true. Eventually science will replace god as the answer to the universe, maybe not now, maybe not in the near future but it will eventually.

What I don't get is how do Christians get off telling us that if we don't believe what they believe that we'll go to hell? That's nothing more than scaring someone into believing what you believe, that's not faith, that's threatening me.


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lusulpher wrote:

It takes as much "faith" to believe that a Higher Power exists, as it does to believe that a Higher Power doesn't exist.

Personally if I believed their was no Higher Power keeping me in check, I'd go nuts. Psychopathically NUTS!

Stealing, raping, maiming, doping, you name it, I would try it, just to make sure I had done it once before I died. That's one of my fears, someone proves a God doesn't exist, and I know I have no reason NOT to do everything I want. I'd become the proverbial Devil.

Count your blessings, you self-righteous agnostics and atheists.



Second the motion.


Your kidding me right? ITS CALLED A CONSCIENCE. Your logic is flawed! By your logic it would mean anyone who is a non-christian would be killing and raping anyone! Humans don't kill other humans without reason because its not beneficial to man-kind! Its in our instinct. Besides, do you know how many instances of rape ant torture there are in the bible! Its ridiculous! Here I'll quote them.

Num 31:15-18. "15. And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
16. Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to
commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague
among the congregation of the Lord.17. Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.18. But all
the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for
yourselves."

Korea's northern alliance wouldn't stoop this low! These murdering, raping
Israelites decided, by the wonderfully wise and divine decree of Jehovah through
Moses, that these unused seimen recepticals (also known as virgins to them),
should not only undergo the tragic loss of their entire race, but have to marry their
rapists afterwards. The married and/or pregnant women would get the sword and
some (the virgins), would get the penis! If any army did this today, they would be
court marshalled and sentenced to die in a flash!

If you Christians actually READ your bible then you would know that its just a bunch of bull honky.

Oh yeah guess what? before the bible there were several epics that sounded errily similar to the bible. Ever heard of the Gilgemesh (sp)? The sumerians wrote that epic, long before the bible was ever written, and guess what? The story of the flood and noahs arc appears there excepts noahs not the main guy in the story. LOL maybe, JUST maybe the bible is just a collection of stories put together by some wino.
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give up flyin asian i know how you feel but you cant expect to turn, or change any religious persons mind about their worldview on a forum on an anime site. I have at least. Its better to just make recommendations to material or content that can hopefully offer them another view on things.
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cbisram wrote:

give up flyin asian i know how you feel but you cant expect to turn, or change any religious persons mind about their worldview on a forum on an anime site. I have at least. Its better to just make recommendations to material or content that can hopefully offer them another view on things.

I'm not giving up until they stop forcing religon down my throat, coming to my door telling me that if I don't believe that i'm going to hell and other bs.

Read through this site, if you still believe in god after going there, then not a thing in the world is going to change you.
http://www.ministerturnsatheist.org

Oh and lusulpher read this: http://www.ministerturnsatheist.org/moralitywithoutgod.html

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