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Would you go out with anyone that you knew had plastic surgery?
Posted 1/28/08
No, I wouldn't.
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tobydiah wrote:

I would care but if I really liked them, they looked good enough, and if it wasn't too big of a change, I guess.

I think almost anyone would care if they saw an old photo and they didn't even look like them and it was repulsive. Or you notice her high school photo shows a guy.

This also sounds elitist but it's like cheating. People who naturally look good deserve to look good. People who undergo surgery are pretending to look good.


ugly ppl are shunned by society b/c we are superficial, which is taught by society in the first place. i dun think plastic surgery is cheating, i think of it as giving opportunity to those who are stigmatized by society. its a real problem when you judge what ppl deserves simply by how they look. why do ppl who naturally look good deserve to look good? just because they were born with the breaks? the whole idea of plastic surgery is a problematic idea, since it tells us that we must look a certain way to have confidence, and to be a valued member of society.

and to answer the thread question, if i like dat person, sure why not? but i think i mite be severely turned off. i am still a product of society after all, no matter how i theorize abt plastic surgery. (in other words, i'm a hypocrite, and i admit it since its pretty much inevitable)


Well I think society has become too emotional and prone to depression/jealousy/etc. because of social evolution and media. Since recorded human history, however, humans (and many other species) have had superior specimen or more attractive specimen. (Yes. This isn't nice or friendly but that has nothing to do with it being the truth.) A lion male that is more powerful, big, etc. wins over the entire pack of lionesses while the weaker lion backs off. In human history, the superior male wins over the female through one or more of several characteristics: wealth, strength, beauty, social power, fighting abilities, etc. Even male birds that look superior in beauty when fluffing their feathers win the female.

Therefore, it is scientifically logical for the male with the superior characteristics of whatever the females of that society regards as desirable in a mate. And vice versa for females. Since mere survival has been overcome due to technological evolution as well as other comforts, females or males don't worry about the physical abilities of the other gender as much in terms of survival. (Although it still matters through some examples like how women like taller guys, more muscular guys; while men tend to like women with bigger breasts, etc.)
Therefore, we look to what's popular in our society currently. Physical aesthetics is one of them and there honestly is nothing wrong with a female or male being more attracted to another by physical appearance. I do think it's unintelligent for someone to only go by physical appearance but all the things that people say about how we need to look at a person on the inside... that's bull.

Now to the even more extreme yet logical and factual:
Ugly people are shunned by society. I don't think ugly people are shunned by society while I do admit that you will have a lot more benefits in society if you possess genetically superior aesthetics. But why wouldn't they? It's merely another physical advantage they possess. When someone says that they want to date someone smart, no one thinks otherwise. Yet, when someone says that they want to date someone beautiful or handsome; many people sense a negative tone to it.
Logically, the runt of the litter or the lower tier of that group sort of gets shunned from some aspects of society. Do I think it's sad and unfriendly? Yes in the sense that people's feelings get hurt. But I would never lie when asked to tell the truth and talk about "beauty on the inside" and all this nonsense merely to avoid hurting someone's feelings. Maybe in the future when the views on physical appearance has changed, the types of looks considered ugly will be considered beautiful and vice versa. But that's not the case right now.

So, that's why I think I don't prefer it if someone changes themselves a lot to look completely different. It's fake. "That isn't your jawline. That's a bit of something else in your skin." "Those aren't your breasts." It's like someone on the internet photoshopping their image or someone hiding their bad features behind a door or curtain and telling someone that they look good. But on a worse level since they knowingly get surgery and don't tell others about it. If a girl doesn't tell me and looks completely different, she's basically lied to me. I've been with a human specimen that has lied about its level of genetic desirability. If it isn't true, tell me because I can't see it any other way.

I'm not someone who only looks at physical appearance or pick friends depending on how they look. But when asked a serious question like that I answer it as harshly and truthfully as I can instead of sugar-coating it to make people smile since the purpose of seeking the truth isn't to make people smile.
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Posted 1/28/08
sure why not?
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I would. It's easy for some of you to say that you wouldn't date someone who got plastic surgery for vanity reasons, but what if they just wanted a chance to look good for the one that they cared about and loved? There is nothing wrong with fixing up the physical body. It's just a temporary vehicle for the soul, and the soul is what is really important.

Unfortunately, with human nature, we forget these things and we can't necessarily help the fact that we make looks so important. It's just natural, so give others the chance to make their physical appearance better without judging them. If you would have had their body or face or whatever it is, then you probably would have wanted to fix it too.

Posted 1/28/08
well ya depending what kind
some plastic surgerys are for medical reasons, like Ashley Tisdale's one was a medical reason

now if she had like a boob job done to make her look better
then i might have to rethink it LOL
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Posted 1/28/08
Couldn't care less.
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plastic surgery is just plain kreepy>< i dont know why anyone would want to change the way GOD made them
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Posted 1/28/08

tobydiah wrote:


cb4sn13 wrote:


tobydiah wrote:

I would care but if I really liked them, they looked good enough, and if it wasn't too big of a change, I guess.

I think almost anyone would care if they saw an old photo and they didn't even look like them and it was repulsive. Or you notice her high school photo shows a guy.

This also sounds elitist but it's like cheating. People who naturally look good deserve to look good. People who undergo surgery are pretending to look good.


ugly ppl are shunned by society b/c we are superficial, which is taught by society in the first place. i dun think plastic surgery is cheating, i think of it as giving opportunity to those who are stigmatized by society. its a real problem when you judge what ppl deserves simply by how they look. why do ppl who naturally look good deserve to look good? just because they were born with the breaks? the whole idea of plastic surgery is a problematic idea, since it tells us that we must look a certain way to have confidence, and to be a valued member of society.

and to answer the thread question, if i like dat person, sure why not? but i think i mite be severely turned off. i am still a product of society after all, no matter how i theorize abt plastic surgery. (in other words, i'm a hypocrite, and i admit it since its pretty much inevitable)


Well I think society has become too emotional and prone to depression/jealousy/etc. because of social evolution and media. Since recorded human history, however, humans (and many other species) have had superior specimen or more attractive specimen. (Yes. This isn't nice or friendly but that has nothing to do with it being the truth.) A lion male that is more powerful, big, etc. wins over the entire pack of lionesses while the weaker lion backs off. In human history, the superior male wins over the female through one or more of several characteristics: wealth, strength, beauty, social power, fighting abilities, etc. Even male birds that look superior in beauty when fluffing their feathers win the female.

Therefore, it is scientifically logical for the male with the superior characteristics of whatever the females of that society regards as desirable in a mate. And vice versa for females. Since mere survival has been overcome due to technological evolution as well as other comforts, females or males don't worry about the physical abilities of the other gender as much in terms of survival. (Although it still matters through some examples like how women like taller guys, more muscular guys; while men tend to like women with bigger breasts, etc.)
Therefore, we look to what's popular in our society currently. Physical aesthetics is one of them and there honestly is nothing wrong with a female or male being more attracted to another by physical appearance. I do think it's unintelligent for someone to only go by physical appearance but all the things that people say about how we need to look at a person on the inside... that's bull.

Now to the even more extreme yet logical and factual:
Ugly people are shunned by society. I don't think ugly people are shunned by society while I do admit that you will have a lot more benefits in society if you possess genetically superior aesthetics. But why wouldn't they? It's merely another physical advantage they possess. When someone says that they want to date someone smart, no one thinks otherwise. Yet, when someone says that they want to date someone beautiful or handsome; many people sense a negative tone to it.
Logically, the runt of the litter or the lower tier of that group sort of gets shunned from some aspects of society. Do I think it's sad and unfriendly? Yes in the sense that people's feelings get hurt. But I would never lie when asked to tell the truth and talk about "beauty on the inside" and all this nonsense merely to avoid hurting someone's feelings. Maybe in the future when the views on physical appearance has changed, the types of looks considered ugly will be considered beautiful and vice versa. But that's not the case right now.

So, that's why I think I don't prefer it if someone changes themselves a lot to look completely different. It's fake. "That isn't your jawline. That's a bit of something else in your skin." "Those aren't your breasts." It's like someone on the internet photoshopping their image or someone hiding their bad features behind a door or curtain and telling someone that they look good. But on a worse level since they knowingly get surgery and don't tell others about it. If a girl doesn't tell me and looks completely different, she's basically lied to me. I've been with a human specimen that has lied about its level of genetic desirability. If it isn't true, tell me because I can't see it any other way.

I'm not someone who only looks at physical appearance or pick friends depending on how they look. But when asked a serious question like that I answer it as harshly and truthfully as I can instead of sugar-coating it to make people smile since the purpose of seeking the truth isn't to make people smile.


i am telling you why judging by looks is a problem. you're telling me why judging by looks exists. i don't see how those two relate.
and the evolution tidbit to seek for the desireable is more complex than simply picking what you like best. there is always the question of why we think certain traits are more desireable than other traits, which is subject to the discourse created by society itself. have you ever thought why we think skinny girls are better looking? it is not inscribed in our genes to like skinny girls, but rather is a product of socialization. This socialization follows the discourse of society. our system is arbitrary. and on the contrary, our wants for skinny girls is actually maladaptive (strictly in darwinian sense) as girls with more body fat has a greater ability to sustain a child, and ones with larger...um....buttocks are also desireable b/c it makes conceiving the child easier.
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cb4sn13 wrote:


tobydiah wrote:


cb4sn13 wrote:


tobydiah wrote:

I would care but if I really liked them, they looked good enough, and if it wasn't too big of a change, I guess.

I think almost anyone would care if they saw an old photo and they didn't even look like them and it was repulsive. Or you notice her high school photo shows a guy.

This also sounds elitist but it's like cheating. People who naturally look good deserve to look good. People who undergo surgery are pretending to look good.


ugly ppl are shunned by society b/c we are superficial, which is taught by society in the first place. i dun think plastic surgery is cheating, i think of it as giving opportunity to those who are stigmatized by society. its a real problem when you judge what ppl deserves simply by how they look. why do ppl who naturally look good deserve to look good? just because they were born with the breaks? the whole idea of plastic surgery is a problematic idea, since it tells us that we must look a certain way to have confidence, and to be a valued member of society.

and to answer the thread question, if i like dat person, sure why not? but i think i mite be severely turned off. i am still a product of society after all, no matter how i theorize abt plastic surgery. (in other words, i'm a hypocrite, and i admit it since its pretty much inevitable)


Well I think society has become too emotional and prone to depression/jealousy/etc. because of social evolution and media. Since recorded human history, however, humans (and many other species) have had superior specimen or more attractive specimen. (Yes. This isn't nice or friendly but that has nothing to do with it being the truth.) A lion male that is more powerful, big, etc. wins over the entire pack of lionesses while the weaker lion backs off. In human history, the superior male wins over the female through one or more of several characteristics: wealth, strength, beauty, social power, fighting abilities, etc. Even male birds that look superior in beauty when fluffing their feathers win the female.

Therefore, it is scientifically logical for the male with the superior characteristics of whatever the females of that society regards as desirable in a mate. And vice versa for females. Since mere survival has been overcome due to technological evolution as well as other comforts, females or males don't worry about the physical abilities of the other gender as much in terms of survival. (Although it still matters through some examples like how women like taller guys, more muscular guys; while men tend to like women with bigger breasts, etc.)
Therefore, we look to what's popular in our society currently. Physical aesthetics is one of them and there honestly is nothing wrong with a female or male being more attracted to another by physical appearance. I do think it's unintelligent for someone to only go by physical appearance but all the things that people say about how we need to look at a person on the inside... that's bull.

Now to the even more extreme yet logical and factual:
Ugly people are shunned by society. I don't think ugly people are shunned by society while I do admit that you will have a lot more benefits in society if you possess genetically superior aesthetics. But why wouldn't they? It's merely another physical advantage they possess. When someone says that they want to date someone smart, no one thinks otherwise. Yet, when someone says that they want to date someone beautiful or handsome; many people sense a negative tone to it.
Logically, the runt of the litter or the lower tier of that group sort of gets shunned from some aspects of society. Do I think it's sad and unfriendly? Yes in the sense that people's feelings get hurt. But I would never lie when asked to tell the truth and talk about "beauty on the inside" and all this nonsense merely to avoid hurting someone's feelings. Maybe in the future when the views on physical appearance has changed, the types of looks considered ugly will be considered beautiful and vice versa. But that's not the case right now.

So, that's why I think I don't prefer it if someone changes themselves a lot to look completely different. It's fake. "That isn't your jawline. That's a bit of something else in your skin." "Those aren't your breasts." It's like someone on the internet photoshopping their image or someone hiding their bad features behind a door or curtain and telling someone that they look good. But on a worse level since they knowingly get surgery and don't tell others about it. If a girl doesn't tell me and looks completely different, she's basically lied to me. I've been with a human specimen that has lied about its level of genetic desirability. If it isn't true, tell me because I can't see it any other way.

I'm not someone who only looks at physical appearance or pick friends depending on how they look. But when asked a serious question like that I answer it as harshly and truthfully as I can instead of sugar-coating it to make people smile since the purpose of seeking the truth isn't to make people smile.


i am telling you why judging by looks is a problem. you're telling me why judging by looks exists. i don't see how those two relate.
and the evolution tidbit to seek for the desireable is more complex than simply picking what you like best. there is always the question of why we think certain traits are more desireable than other traits, which is subject to the discourse created by society itself. have you ever thought why we think skinny girls are better looking? it is not inscribed in our genes to like skinny girls, but rather is a product of socialization. This socialization follows the discourse of society. our system is arbitrary. and on the contrary, our wants for skinny girls is actually maladaptive (strictly in darwinian sense) as girls with more body fat has a greater ability to sustain a child, and ones with larger...um....buttocks are also desireable b/c it makes conceiving the child easier.


I understand what you're telling me. But I'm telling you that I see no problem with it. I have no problem with better looking people having advantages over worse looking people. Just the way someone who plays baseball better will get picked over the other player. There's really no natural law that says that it's wrong to be more attracted to someone who is more physically appealing. I'm more attracted to physically attractive people; hence the word. I may pay attention to someone's personality over their looks or vice versa but there's nothing wrong with caring about one way more than the other. The reasons I see why there are taboos in having a strong emphasis in modern style physical appearance is: 1) religion 2) Social movements through modern notions of romance 3) People don't want to hurt other's feelings/don't want to get hurt 4) To show others that they have this notion of being deep and understanding the beauty beyond the physical.

Anyways, I wasn't talking about judging people by their looks. (although some degree of judging is a natural mechanism and inevitable) I talked about judging people's looks not the person themselves according to their looks. Just the way you might judge a person's intelligence or personality, you judge their looks as a measure of how attracted you are or will be to them. So, yes. I said judging by looks exists. And I'm also telling you that I don't think judging by looks is a problem. If someone can't physically attract many people because they aren't physically aesthetic then they need to get over it and quit saying that people shouldn't care about people's looks. How much should we emphasize on looks when we seek a mate? There is no rule or limit.
If you consider physical appearance very important then good for you. That's what you prefer and there's nothing I can say to prove that there is a problem with that train of thought.
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Look at Michael Jackson, he had so much surgery, his face is melting. He totally ruined his looks. he used to be cute during his thriller days. What a waste.
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I KNOW! @___@ he was such a cutey in the thriller days and now he looks like a scary old woman..


lol, but didn't he had cancer that made his skin turn white?


No it's not cancer. michael jackson claims he has a disease called vitaligo in which pigment producing cells are destroyed. Most black people believe he just bleached his skin because he wanted to be white. He admitted that as a child he hated his dark skin and wanted to look more like 2 of his idols Elisabeth Taylor and Diana Ross. he allegedly had plastic surgery to give him facial features that resembled each women. black people with vitialigo often look like burn victims in that portions of their skin are white or pink in color. it happens in stages. michaels color change happen all at once. One album he was milk chocolate the next album he was vanilla creme. i think he bleached his skin . i love his music, but he lost all his cool points, with his crazy behavior.
Posted 1/30/08
depends on the reasons they got it...
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Posted 1/30/08
probably not- -...
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JuliaRhys wrote:

depends on the reasons they got it...


Yeah and what they got done and if they're going to keep doing it.
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well first i would like to know where they got the surgery, then i can deal with it, i mean its like they did anything dramatic, but if they did like boobs and something to make them look fake >.> yea....
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benkadi wrote:


JuliaRhys wrote:

depends on the reasons they got it...


Yeah and what they got done and if they're going to keep doing it.


something like that. if a person's convinced they have to be a living piece of plastic to be beautiful, i'm not interested. i think i'll take flesh over a freaking barbie.
but like i said, their reason for getting it can change everything. if a woman was horribly mutilated in a car crash and had plastic surgery to restore her face, that's a whole different thing that a girl who supersized her chest simply because her boyfriend wanted it.
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