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End of the internet Bill S.978
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this wont end crunchyroll, crunchyroll gets permission to stream the content online.. the bill only applies to the sites that do it illegally..
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Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:


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One, Crunchyroll is legal. It can't be compromised by this bill. Also, stop creating such hyperbole reactions. It hasn't been passed before, it won't. Trust me on this.


Also, this bill is useless. They should make a bill about fast food instead. People just love to bitch and whine, that's it.


why cr is legal it will limit what we are able to talk about in the forums, we will not be able to mention unlicensed visual novels, anime or other series due in part that is in the bill, yeah i don't see it passing either due in part of how much uproar it would cause by limiting free speech/trade of information. I don't really agree with fast food bill either, let people kill them selves by eating that shit " I do lol "but this is off topic.


all we cant do is stream copywrited content, ie use a song in a video etc.... at least not without permission from the company that releases it.. but i highly doubt the bill would prevent us from talking about a anime series or even a tv series in a forum that is not considered streaming... that would technically go against freedom of speech.. and no law can be made that would violate that...
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im not a law type or anything but doesnt this bill violate or contradict Fair Use?
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Well there's something called the Doctrine of Implied Repeal - if two laws are made and one contradicts the other the latter law takes precedence. Or at least that's how it works in English law.

However the things the bill is aimed at are not fair use (streaming movies and music). The only thing that is and could be effected that is are video game commentaries and let's plays and (possibly) video reviews that use footage from the film. The courts could give effect to both if they don't contradict.
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Tyrfing wrote:

Well there's something called the Doctrine of Implied Repeal - if two laws are made and one contradicts the other the latter law takes precedence. Or at least that's how it works in English law.

However the things the bill is aimed at are not fair use (streaming movies and music). The only thing that is and could be effected that is are video game commentaries and let's plays and (possibly) video reviews that use footage from the film. The courts could give effect to both if they don't contradict.


even so I don't see it passing at all, it's just to broad and even then this is a huge step in the wrong direction.
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Posted 7/4/11

Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:


Tyrfing wrote:

Well there's something called the Doctrine of Implied Repeal - if two laws are made and one contradicts the other the latter law takes precedence. Or at least that's how it works in English law.

However the things the bill is aimed at are not fair use (streaming movies and music). The only thing that is and could be effected that is are video game commentaries and let's plays and (possibly) video reviews that use footage from the film. The courts could give effect to both if they don't contradict.


even so I don't see it passing at all, it's just to broad and even then this is a huge step in the wrong direction.


Agreed, but with the current administration and those in the House (few) and Senate (many) brown nosing the Socialist in Chief there's no limit to what they will do.
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Agreed, but with the current administration and those in the House (few) and Senate (many) brown nosing the Socialist in Chief there's no limit to what they will do.


A socialist regime would do the exact opposite to what this bill wants and skew IP rights more towards benefiting the people than businesses.
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Posted 7/4/11 , edited 7/4/11

Tyrfing wrote:


NoBreyner wrote

Agreed, but with the current administration and those in the House (few) and Senate (many) brown nosing the Socialist in Chief there's no limit to what they will do.


A socialist regime would do the exact opposite to what this bill wants and skew IP rights more towards benefiting the people than businesses.


I'm sure under those under the socialist's thumbs would probably disagree. To benefit the people they have to take away from the people and protect them for their own good. They've done that and now it's time to double down and start making legislation that doesn't make sense or seem extreme that a country like the US would never should have seen in the first place. Now that they got a good foothold here they're perfectly willing to take it to the next step, and this bill is an example of that.

Remember the fairness doctrine isn't fair because it's right-wing radio is successful and left-wing radio doesn't fly on our airwaves. They have shows on subscription satellite services that have an insanely low listener rate. The short story is if the lefties can't keep a show on the free radio then they want to "fairly" remove the righties.

I'm have no form of wellfare, so it's in my opinion that helping business make money to make more product requires more workers making more jobs. And a good paying job helps me.

This isn't that kind of thread to keep this up so this is the last I will discuss the above.
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Uh Crunchyroll is legal because they have licences for all these shows so this bill doesn't matter.
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Posted 7/4/11 , edited 7/4/11

Tyrfing wrote:


NoBreyner wrote

Agreed, but with the current administration and those in the House (few) and Senate (many) brown nosing the Socialist in Chief there's no limit to what they will do.


A socialist regime would do the exact opposite to what this bill wants and skew IP rights more towards benefiting the people than businesses.


Not in this country, the recording industry, movie industry and the unions for the shows all give money to the Democratic party, Obama is a Democrat and wants to protect his constituents that gave him cash. The Republicans don't really care as much since those interests don't really care about Republican causes. Copyright law is a privelidge given by The People to artists so they can make a living, not to beat us over the head with it, that's my humble opinion.
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Posted 7/4/11

Tyrfing wrote:


SaberUK wrote:

That means they have the copyright holders consent.


Even more than that - they own (certain parts of) the copyright.


valtallica wrote:
um...you spelled realized wrong


I hope you realise that America isn’t the only place where English is spoken. Since you came second I might say that you’re spelling it incorrectly.


SaberUK wrote:

1) Streaming an entire series does not count as fair use. Fair use for video content is up to 10% (At least it is in the UK and as the USA are both signatories of the berne convention it should be the same)


The UK's Fair Dealing law is more restrictive than American Fair Use - it doesn't cover parodies for one thing.


And don't forget that colour, honour, armour, etc. are spelled with a 'U' regardless of what the US based spellchecker in Firefox says.

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NoBreyner wrote:


Tyrfing wrote:


NoBreyner wrote

Agreed, but with the current administration and those in the House (few) and Senate (many) brown nosing the Socialist in Chief there's no limit to what they will do.


A socialist regime would do the exact opposite to what this bill wants and skew IP rights more towards benefiting the people than businesses.


I'm sure under those under the socialist's thumbs would probably disagree. To benefit the people they have to take away from the people and protect them for their own good. They've done that and now it's time to double down and start making legislation that doesn't make sense or seem extreme that a country like the US would never should have seen in the first place. Now that they got a good foothold here they're perfectly willing to take it to the next step, and this bill is an example of that.

Remember the fairness doctrine isn't fair because it's right-wing radio is successful and left-wing radio doesn't fly on our airwaves. They have shows on subscription satellite services that have an insanely low listener rate. The short story is if the lefties can't keep a show on the free radio then they want to "fairly" remove the righties.

I'm have no form of wellfare, so it's in my opinion that helping business make money to make more product requires more workers making more jobs. And a good paying job helps me.

This isn't that kind of thread to keep this up so this is the last I will discuss the above.


hearing American rightists talk about the evil left, Leeeeeeberals, and Socialists, always reminds me of Bible Thumping Christians talking about the LGBT community. I wish I could laugh, but they seem to think they run the free world as well. and that's not funny.

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naruto12900 wrote:

Bill S.978 is the end of the internet if this pill is passed Crunchyroll will no longer be here youtube will mostlikly be very dead and the internet will suck read more about it on

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s112-978



As I understand it, this bill is referring to updating the the CRIMINAL PENALTY for copyright infringement. It would be the death of things like Anime music videos and fan stuff for sure because sites like Youtube would be too scared to allow fan stuff to be on there. Crunchyroll could end up being more expensive. I don't know what CR's official word about this is though.

This bill affects me too because I'm studying animation. I think I'll update my knowledge of American copyright law. I only hope that my hunch is correct.
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naruto12900 wrote:

Bill S.978 is the end of the internet if this pill is passed Crunchyroll will no longer be here youtube will mostlikly be very dead and the internet will suck read more about it on

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s112-978




According to THOMAS, the Library of Congress's legislative information website, this bill is currently in the Senate. To see the status of S 978:

1) go to the THOMAS website (http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.php)
2) Go to the section that says Search Bill Summary & Status. That should be in the middle of the page.
3) Then select Bill Number
4) Then type the words S 978
5) Then press the SEARCH button


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Posted 7/4/11 , edited 7/4/11
IF it gets passed, that is, after some huge miracle, what will happen to everyone on the internet? Everything will basically be gone and useless. But I'm not from the US soooo.... I don't know~ lol
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