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Whats with the 12 episodes?
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Almost all of the new shows coming have 12 episodes or 13. I just find it disapointing cause i personally love 24 or more episode animes
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Posted 7/7/11 , edited 7/7/11
time and money is the short answer

its expensive make anime u know. its better to make them in small batches (unless you're like naruto and swimming on revenue)

other than that i would think the time slots situation needs to be considered. 24 hours/ 48 maximum eps of anime per day multiple that by what ever number of companies want to put their work on the air and the times where they don't air anime (i have no clue what the tv programming situation is over there but i think you get my point) ... it goes on

i do believe that it takes a non-random/plotless anime like lucky star 24 episodes minimum to develop a proper story, plot, elements and characters. anything shorter and its feels rushed at the end
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Posted 7/7/11 , edited 7/7/11

BleachRoxs wrote:

Almost all of the new shows coming have 12 episodes or 13. I just find it disappointing cause i personally love 24 or more episode animes


unlike animation in America, Japan still does everything in their own country. So they have to pay higher wages, get exclusive for voice actresses/actors, pay bands for op's and ed's artist etc. It's a very expensive process so most don't want to gamble on a show with 24/26 ep unless it has a good fan-base already or unless they have enough material to cover for it. That's all I really have to say man I like shows to be around 24/26 myself but if the story can be told in that amount of time then there is no need to drag it out forever.
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Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:


BleachRoxs wrote:

Almost all of the new shows coming have 12 episodes or 13. I just find it disappointing cause i personally love 24 or more episode animes


unlike animation in America, Japan still does everything in their own country. So they have to pay higher wages, get exclusive for voice actresses/actors, pay bands for op's and ed's artist etc. It's a very expensive process so most don't want to gamble on a show with 24/26 ep unless it has a good fan-base already or unless they have enough material to cover for it. That's all I really have to say man I like shows to be around 24/26 myself but if the story can be told in that amount of time then there is no need to drag it out forever.

I have heard that they are sending a lot of the in-between animation out to companies in Korea now, but that doesn't change much about your point.
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Besides the cost to produce, it's also bidding rights from different broadcasters to have extended broadcasts over more than one season. Steins;gate is already slated for two broadcast seasons, and so is nichijou. There are still some shows out there that are able to win the bids for extended season broadcasts - don't just limit yourself to whatever it is you really watch.
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Aside from what the posters said before me, it also serves as a testbed whether this anime will be a hit or a big flop. If it is a flop then their lost would be minimize by simply canceling the show, and if it is a complete success, then they would make another season and milk the franchise.

Now imagine if a 100 episode anime turn out to be flop?
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Posted 7/7/11

Zensunni wrote:


Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:
unlike animation in America, Japan still does everything in their own country. So they have to pay higher wages, get exclusive for voice actresses/actors, pay bands for op's and ed's artist etc. It's a very expensive process so most don't want to gamble on a show with 24/26 ep unless it has a good fan-base already or unless they have enough material to cover for it. That's all I really have to say man I like shows to be around 24/26 myself but if the story can be told in that amount of time then there is no need to drag it out forever.

I have heard that they are sending a lot of the in-between animation out to companies in Korea now, but that doesn't change much about your point.


This is correct, in-betweening is mostly outsourced to South Korea now. Looking at the credits of most newer anime shows plenty of Korean names in there. The key cells, and most everything else, is still done locally in Japan.

Now as for the 12/13 episode (1 cour) series. Yes, as others have said, it comes down to cost and profitability for the TV stations. There used to be several series that were green-lit for 2 cour (24-26 eps), but poor viewership and insufficient ad revenue resulted in its cancelation after 1 cour. The real question then, regarding rushed endings, is how much time was the animation studio given? If it's been a slow decline, the TV station may decide after airing episode 10, while the animation studio is on 12, of assumedly 26, to cancel it after 13. That rushes the ending quite badly, and happens more than you'd think...

Today, with the Japanese economy, most are just going for 1 cour. TV stations actually do face a fair amount of the cost from animation; their only recourse for revenue is selling ads. Doing 1 cour means that costs can stay down, and if it actually does bring in decent ad revenue (with decent viewership, of course), they'll usually request an extension of the anime. This also explains the buildup of the last 2 episodes- leaving themselves an out for an extension. Also weighing in, are the costs to the TV networks to air a different type of show. Doing a sitcom may be cheaper, and thus, easier to generate profit.

Yes, I'd love for some of my favorite shows to go on for more than a cour. But the economics are what they are, and it's not always wise from a business perspective. I'd guess that once the global economy starts to recover, we might see more longer-running series again. I do think, on a different note, the days of long-running OVAs are pretty much over, though.
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well ova's are still coming back higurashi has 4 ova's coming out then there was the 5 or was it 6 ova's for ore no imouto that where only available on DVD/bluray which give a huge insensitive to buy the hard copies. Hell kodomo no jikan has 8 ova's out alone but then again that series is just well..ahem moving on i don't see ova's going way but i see them as a huge selling point now for dvd's/blurays hell even dead man wonder land and the world only god know's has one coming out as well.. I just hope they make it state side.
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12 - 13 episodes is the standard amount of episodes per season. So shows with more episodes likely went for more than 1 season.
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12-13 episodes is one season. Most studios play the safe route and only buy the timeslot for one season, since its a lot riskier to buy more than one on an unproven project.

Always been like this, its just the more classic anime people remember tend to be 24-26.


Now as for the 12/13 episode (1 cour) series. Yes, as others have said, it comes down to cost and profitability for the TV stations. There used to be several series that were green-lit for 2 cour (24-26 eps), but poor viewership and insufficient ad revenue resulted in its cancelation after 1 cour. The real question then, regarding rushed endings, is how much time was the animation studio given? If it's been a slow decline, the TV station may decide after airing episode 10, while the animation studio is on 12, of assumedly 26, to cancel it after 13. That rushes the ending quite badly, and happens more than you'd think...


This is false, btw. They set up the timeslots a few seasons in advance, like how the noitaminA time slots were announced for Fall season when it was still Spring. The studios buy their timeslots, and regardless of how well its doing, its kept on air due to the honor agreement. You paid for the time slot, you own it. And its not like these late night anime are anything more than advertisements, anyway. They make money from merchandise sales, not tv ratings.
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I don't mind a short series every now and again, but why the heck was Deadman Wonderland only 12 episodes and Hana-saku Iroha is 26? WUT.
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jypsyjulia wrote:

I don't mind a short series every now and again, but why the heck was Deadman Wonderland only 12 episodes and Hana-saku Iroha is 26? WUT.


Deadman Wonderland was a massive flop in Japan (didn't sell enough to make the rankings, meaning it sold under 1000 copies), while Hanasaku Iroha is projected around 10k (which is considered major success level).

I'm sure Mangaglobe is really happy they didn't make Deadman Wonderland more than 12.
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RyanSaotome wrote:


jypsyjulia wrote:

I don't mind a short series every now and again, but why the heck was Deadman Wonderland only 12 episodes and Hana-saku Iroha is 26? WUT.


Deadman Wonderland was a massive flop in Japan (didn't sell enough to make the rankings, meaning it sold under 1000 copies), while Hanasaku Iroha is projected around 10k (which is considered major success level).

I'm sure Mangaglobe is really happy they didn't make Deadman Wonderland more than 12.


REALLY!? Wow, to me, that seems insane, but I guess cultural differences and personal preferences vary greatly.
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Another reason that I always suspected for the shift to the 12-13 episode shows (or single season if you look at in the 4 seasons per year sense) is that you can make a "2nd season", like with TWGoK, and charge the same price for the "Full season" box set of DVDs/BluRays for each "season".
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Zensunni wrote:

Another reason that I always suspected for the shift to the 12-13 episode shows (or single season if you look at in the 4 seasons per year sense) is that you can make a "2nd season", like with TWGoK, and charge the same price for the "Full season" box set of DVDs/BluRays for each "season".


They don't sell box sets unless they re-release it later, like for example JC Staff just did with Shana season 1 a few weeks ago. They make a lot more money off of individual sales, like each DVD is 70 bucks, and BD is 80 bucks, for 2 episodes. So a 12 episode series on BD would sell for almost 400 dollars, and they release a box set a few years down the line for about 300 dollars.
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